With all do respect, I did not Kill anyone. So please don't say that I did.
You have made your point on this subject many times over.
I have also stated that my Rig is for off road recreation and gets towed to the trail.
I DD a totally stock Tundra with all the safety features in place.
I have raised two beautiful children that I love and cherish and would do any and everything to protect them or any other children for that mater.
You have no right to state what my conscience level is and don't know me enough to Judge.
I learned to drive before anti-lock brakes were invented.
Nothing trumps paying attention when you driving. safety features don't always work.
Have you tested a ABS deleted 80, I think not, so you have no idea how they stop. do you even have a 80 ?
RANT OVER
You see this is where the problem lies, I type a rhetorical comment and yet you don't see it as that, you take it personally, you really need to take in and understand a comment before replying, just breathe a little and look at some facts.
I would point out before commenting further that I see you as quite an articulate person having seen many of your posts, and so offer the following with respect, this is important in understanding each others comments and taking them in the context that they were meant.
So killing someone. Again a rhetorical comment but let me ask you a serious and genuine question. How many people have you killed when driving a vehicle?
A bit personal? Yes, but I have my reasons because I have killed one person whilst driving. The circumstances of this man dying were tragic and I have no blame whatsoever to shoulder (loaded unmodified company van, not speeding and so forth) but it fu*ked my head up all the same, unable to drive for a number of months. And guess what the first question I was asked by the district manager of the company during an interview a couple of days later? It was not how are you feeling, or as you knew other members of the family have you spoken to any of them? No his first question was, "Did anyone take pictures of the company van, we don't want to see that in the newspapers!" That was the only question he got to ask, because I stood up and told him to go fu*k himself!
Back to your comment that I have made myself clear on my thoughts 'many times over' about modifying the brakes and yet many don't seem to get it, many seem to think that to get 'acceptance' on a forum they have to join a particular subsection, this is possibly a personal problem where there is lack of individual thought and of course the inability to admit that perhaps they have made a mistake but don't have the balls to admit it, perhaps an insecurity problem? I make the comment regularly because of a couple of reasons, the first should be obvious about my comment about killing someone in a no blame scenario in an unmodified vehicle (note the comment about the vehicle being loaded), and of course there are many members on here that are younger and perhaps they (with respect) should be advised to the dangers of modifying a vehicle and the consequences of said modifications? They often purchase an 80 and straight away fit bigger wheels, the result? The brakes no longer work as effectively as they did with the stock offering, not aimed at you but those who do not understand the laws of physics. So instead of understanding their brakes are no longer as good as they could be (or were), they come across the ABS delete or load valve removal threads and 'ah so that's the answer' and out comes the tool box! They don't realise the 80's brakes are (post 93 so larger and discs all round), and in stock (good working condition) form are able to stop not only the 80 but a loaded trailer as well up to a train weight circa 7 tons? And I have used the 80 in that scenario so know the feeling of how a loaded trailer can push a vehicle, (Class 2 HGV driver) but having read your thread before replying you point out that 'nothing trumps paying attention when driving' and that comment is absolutely spot on so I adjust my driving to suit the change in the vehicle condition however, that is when a possible accident situation is avoided, it is the 'moment of inattention' when a possible action will happen, the typical person cannot concentrate more than around 20 minutes before they are distracted, the sound of a police car wanting to pass with the siren sounding as it is coming up behind may not phase you, but our two kids (three in my case) fighting in the back are more than enough to distract us from driving.
Re the use of your vehicle it appears it is not used on the public highway, and I applaud you for that, but again I never said you did, remember to read and understand the comment before replying.
Children ah yes our loved ones, I too have fathered a boy and a girl, and adopted another girl from a broken family, but hey perhaps this where my caring thoughts about f*cking with brakes comes from, I would hate to even think about taking a child from this world because of stupidity and let's face it there are a lot of stupid people out there.
You state your DD is a totally stock Tundra with 'all safety features in place' a great way of saying you have removed at least one of the 'safety features' on your 80 because let's face it ABS is a 'safety feature' but you don't use it on a public highway so that does not matter does it?
Conscience level, again a follow up on the umbrella insurance comment not aimed at you but used by many however, this really should not be needed if you only drive a vehicle on a public road which is fully stock and legal which you state you do, and of course you were not doing something stupid, and I have no reason to think otherwise. But regardless of what insurance you have, it is unlikely to ease your heart and mind about someone who is killed by you or someone else.
Re driving before anti lock brakes were invented, I was born in the 1950's and Jensen fitted ABS during those years to their road cars, so I am going to rightly or wrongly assume you are around 60 years old? Of course ABS was on trucks many years before the 50's so you could be a lot older than 60 (put the keyboard down I was joking, LOl.)
Re testing an 80 without ABS and found that it stopped as well as my 80 but in a real world scenario it would not and why? Because if you set up a test, that is one 80 with ABS and the other without there would be too many variables to draw a conclusion in most circumstance, vehicle weight, the inability to repeat results and so forth, but let's go to the real world. Those loved ones in the back. You glance in the mirror to tell them to behave themselves, as you turn your attention back to the road ahead (remember that moment of inattention?) just as a person pushes out a pram in front of your vehicle, you do NOT think 'as the road is wet I am to going to avoid a lock up by braking gently' too late the kid is dead! You do not think 'as the road is wet I will use cadence braking to avoid a lock up' too late the kid is dead! You do not think 'I will brake gently and turn the steering to avoid the pram' Too late the kid is dead! Why have I used a those comments as examples? A number of reasons, the first being that a woman pushed a pram out in front of me whilst driving a loaded eight legger, (12 wheels four of them steering) and 10 tons empty, 32 when loaded, I stood on the brakes as hard as I could! It is a normal human reaction, the result was the kid was UNDER the lorry when it stopped due to it's height but due to the ABS the truck stopped before the front wheels reached him! I don't give a toss who you are, you WILL stand on that brake pedal, remember I am not talking about looking back to the road and seeing the line of traffic has suddenly stopped and you have a couple of seconds to make a braking decision, as humans and given the the split second you will not have time AND WILL slam on the brakes and MAY try to turn the steering wheel but you can't because you took out the ABS.
I did my mechanic's apprenticeship through 75 through to 79, and ABS was not part of the program, and all the cars were petrol engines, through the years I have had to learn 'on the job' as such so my skills run through the whole petrol era through to diesel, OBD, electrical systems and of course ABS, so a good grounding ( no pun intended) in pretty much anything to do with cars. My current business (presently suspended) as a time served mechanic, owning my first car at the age of 10 (Stupid East Londoner taking his mates to school at the age of 13!) Yes a young dick to say the least....but an honest one. So I think my maturity and life experiences does allow me to question and perhaps offer guidance to those who THINK they know what they are doing.
Now in closing your final comment about me perhaps not even owning an 80 is somewhat disappointing and at this point you are letting yourself down a little, look through my profile/posts and my long running thread and you will see I joined in 2009 when I purchased the same 80 I still own and is the longest I have ever owned the same vehicle, you will see my updates even as recently as a couple of weeks ago are still relevant and with the same car, whilst I cannot drive my 80 I can still work on it. remember what I said about reading and understanding before posting? Take the time and read the comment and think before rushing out a reply, I did say you seem to be an articulate and intelligent person, don't lead me and others to think I was wrong.
At this point My 80 is presently parked outside my house alongside my work van and has been since September last year when I was rushed into hospital with a malignant cancer brain tumour, after surgery my licence remains suspended having failed tests to recover it, I get another chance next June.
Please find attached pictures so you can see I am a genuine owner.
This took about ten minutes to type and an hour to proof read over and over, my cognitive functions still need time to recover so any typos are apologised for in advance.
Regards
Dave
