Yet another LSPV/ABS delete how to... (10 Viewers)

[Broski]

First I never said you were in Europe, I said I was.

You replied about insurance research, but yes your right you were certainly vague, oh that was location, my bad but either way I am a more factual guy, my bad...again.

And I appreciate your answer about your mods and discussion with your insurers......oh wait...you didn't mention that, I understand.

Your right, I need a good kick up the arse for pointing not only how dangerous it is messing with something you don't understand, and given the members questions I get the impression he (with respect ) might not, I just thought it was being prudent by helping.......I mean that's what forum members do right?

Oh, and with regards to this being a 'how to' thread I had already acknowledged that but you missed that.

In closing, yours is the typical response one might get when someone is faced with the layout of a little fact and by throwing in some logic I really messed up, again my bad.


I hope my apologies are accepted.

Regards

Dave

 

[jaymar]

First I'm not in Europe, I was vague because this is a open public forum, and Lastly this thread is about a how to.
Like I said the insurance thing has been beat to death.
If you have anything more to say that pertains to this thread that great, otherwise start a thread about insurance.

Cheers

How about "how to" defend yourself in a criminal liability trial?

 

[Broski]

How about "how to" defend yourself in a criminal liability trial?

1) If you have highly modified 4x4 if your smart you tow it to the trail head.
2) Make sure said tow Rig is within manufacturer GVWR, CVWR and trailer weight rating when fully loaded. Then kick back and enjoy the heated and cooled seats and all the modern features said tow rig it has to offer. And if you need to use the rest room pull over and use you own. Ha ha

3) If you Rig is modified this includes small lifts over size tires and the like don't DD it. I have a bone stock Tundra for that.

4) Carry more then state mandated liability coverage. Like $300,000 per vehicle and a million dollar umbrella. ( I do )
5) Have modified vehicle policy for your modified vehicle. ( again I do )
6) Take the modified vehicle to places that stockish Rigs cant go.

And enjoy Life !!!!!!!!!!!

My apologies for the hijack, but this thread seems to be totally derailed.

Cheers

 

[Dave 2000]

@mehbohdi

Plenty of negs there my friend, you can add comments to actually qualify why you chose them, it's easy enough.....no joined up writing here.

Regards


Dave

 

[TYM4FUN]

I am guessing I can remove this relay now?

 

[Broski]

How about "how to" defend yourself in a criminal liability trial?

That's what lawyers go to school for many years and why you need a umbrella policy

Cheers

 

[Broski]

I am guessing I can remove this relay now?

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That one and the one under the shift console
Then there's room for this. ha ha

 

[TYM4FUN]

That one and the one under the shift console
Then there's room for this. ha ha
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Thank you!

 

[ScratchCoin]

If anyone feels the need to dump their ABS system…since they are such garbage…you can DM me and I’ll pay to ship all those worthless parts to my house!

 

[koacruiser]

I finally had some time to get to this today. Figured I would take some pictures and do a write up. There is plenty of info here, but it is a bit scattered. This will go from the start to the end. Is it worth it? Absolutely! For all those that complain about the brakes, we have plenty of rotor and caliper. I can now lock up the 37's on a dry road without a lot of pedal effort.

No additional parts are needed. Everything you need is already on the truck.

Let's get started. First picture is how it will look when you open the hood:

Step one is remove the front line from the master cylinder to the ABS unit. This line is for your rear brakes. Notice the open port in the ABS unit in the picture below.

Then undo the front line from the ABS unit:

Also note that every line is labeled on the ABS unit itself. The top two line are from the master cylinder, the bottom three go out to the wheels.

The next step is to bend the rear brake line. It needs a simple 180* bend. Then it will screw right into the master cylinder:

Next we will remove the ABS unit. Remove the three remaining brake lines. Then unbolt the this ??? from the ABS bracket:

There are four bolts holding the ABS unit to the truck. Two tucked up under the flange of the fender, two on the inner fender. There is another black box bolted to the ABS unit which you can see hanging in the picture below. I could not disconnect the ABS wires easily, so I removed the two screws than hold a bracket that the plugs mount to. Once that was done, it was easy to disconnect the plugs.

Next step is to extract the tee under the master cylinder. There is a short U shaped line going from the master cylinder to the tee, a second line going from the tee to the ABS unit, and a third line which went to the LSPV. The tee is held to the brake booster / master cylinder by the two lower master cylinder bolts. You only need to disconnect the U shaped line at the master cylinder and the line going to the LSPV. The other two connections can be disassembled outside of the truck. This is what you will end up with:

I used a hacksaw to cut the welds that attach the tee to the bracket. Took two minutes:

At this point you will have three "extra" lines:

I chose to reuse the U shaped line to connect the tee to the master cylinder. The two remaining lines that go to each front wheel need some reshaping. The brake line is soft and easily bent. The right front line took very little tweaking. The left front line required a 90* bend to get it in the proper direction to mate to the tee. All in all it came out pretty clean:

One of the bolts that held the ABS unit in place also holds a support bracket for the charcoal canister. Remember the grey box shown earlier? I sandwiched its mounting bracket between the canister bracket and the inner fender:

At this point we are done in the engine bay. Time to move into the right front wheel well. Pull back the rear splash guard and you will see this:

This is the elbow you will need to bypass the LSPV. One bolt in the frame, two brake line connections. You only need to remove the horizontal line at this point. The vertical line will come out with the elbow. You can then disconnect it at the bench.

Moving back to the LSPV. Climb on under and this is what you are going to see:

Note there are three lines there. The lower line on the left of this picture is no longer used. The elbow will tie the upper left line to the rear line like so:

I haven't removed the LSPV yet. Broke one mounting bolt in the frame. It just so happens that you can reuse the bracket on the elbow if you add a short piece of pipe as a spacer, and a longer bolt. The bolt I broke, unfortunately for me, is the hole you would need to use.

That's it! Bleed the brakes, check for leaks. Enjoy you much more effective brakes.

Awesome write-up... big shout out. Very appreciative... I finally have brakes.

 

[Outsane]

I just removed mine the only change is used the 90 bracket whole and mounted to the frame. With a bushing I printed.

This way the lines will not bounce around and fatigue. You need about a 40mm spacer, or buy mine.

Lspv delete bracket

Lspv delete bracket to re use the 80 union from the front to remove the lvsp. This mounts it in the rear of the vehicle up to the frame. I used the instructions at https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/yet-another-lspv-abs-delete-how-to.930378/ Except I wanted to hard mount the lines, just to keep...

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[alia176]

I just removed mine the only change is used the 90 bracket whole and mounted to the frame. With a bushing I printed.


This way the lines will not bounce around and fatigue. You need about a 40mm spacer, or buy mine.



So you were able to re-use everything as stated on post #1, some rebending and voila, done? ABS pump removed as well?

 

[Comet]

Yes. No new parts required unless you want the above printed item.

 

[Dave 2000]

That's what lawyers go to school for many years and why you need a umbrella policy

Cheers

Absolutely! And of course a zero rated conscience level to stop you worrying about the two kids you killed when your 'modifed rig' did not stop and you wiped them out.

Regards

Dave

 

[Broski]

Absolutely! And of course a zero rated conscience level to stop you worrying about the two kids you killed when your 'modifed rig' did not stop and you wiped them out.

Regards

Dave

With all do respect, I did not Kill anyone. So please don't say that I did.

You have made your point on this subject many times over.

I have also stated that my Rig is for off road recreation and gets towed to the trail.

I DD a totally stock Tundra with all the safety features in place.

I have raised two beautiful children that I love and cherish and would do any and everything to protect them or any other children for that mater.

You have no right to state what my conscience level is and don't know me enough to Judge.

I learned to drive before anti-lock brakes were invented.

Nothing trumps paying attention when you driving. safety features don't always work.

Have you tested a ABS deleted 80, I think not, so you have no idea how they stop. do you even have a 80 ?


RANT OVER

 

[Outsane]

@alia176 yup easier then expected.

Removing the abs lines actually took the longest

 

[Njck22]

3) If you Rig is modified this includes small lifts over size tires and the like don't DD it. I have a bone stock Tundra for that.
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Sweet tundra, I like the flares. What color is this?

 

[Dave 2000]

With all do respect, I did not Kill anyone. So please don't say that I did.

You have made your point on this subject many times over.

I have also stated that my Rig is for off road recreation and gets towed to the trail.

I DD a totally stock Tundra with all the safety features in place.

I have raised two beautiful children that I love and cherish and would do any and everything to protect them or any other children for that mater.

You have no right to state what my conscience level is and don't know me enough to Judge.

I learned to drive before anti-lock brakes were invented.

Nothing trumps paying attention when you driving. safety features don't always work.

Have you tested a ABS deleted 80, I think not, so you have no idea how they stop. do you even have a 80 ?


RANT OVER

You see this is where the problem lies, I type a rhetorical comment and yet you don't see it as that, you take it personally, you really need to take in and understand a comment before replying, just breathe a little and look at some facts.

I would point out before commenting further that I see you as quite an articulate person having seen many of your posts, and so offer the following with respect, this is important in understanding each others comments and taking them in the context that they were meant.

So killing someone. Again a rhetorical comment but let me ask you a serious and genuine question. How many people have you killed when driving a vehicle?

A bit personal? Yes, but I have my reasons because I have killed one person whilst driving. The circumstances of this man dying were tragic and I have no blame whatsoever to shoulder (loaded unmodified company van, not speeding and so forth) but it fu*ked my head up all the same, unable to drive for a number of months. And guess what the first question I was asked by the district manager of the company during an interview a couple of days later? It was not how are you feeling, or as you knew other members of the family have you spoken to any of them? No his first question was, "Did anyone take pictures of the company van, we don't want to see that in the newspapers!" That was the only question he got to ask, because I stood up and told him to go fu*k himself!

Back to your comment that I have made myself clear on my thoughts 'many times over' about modifying the brakes and yet many don't seem to get it, many seem to think that to get 'acceptance' on a forum they have to join a particular subsection, this is possibly a personal problem where there is lack of individual thought and of course the inability to admit that perhaps they have made a mistake but don't have the balls to admit it, perhaps an insecurity problem? I make the comment regularly because of a couple of reasons, the first should be obvious about my comment about killing someone in a no blame scenario in an unmodified vehicle (note the comment about the vehicle being loaded), and of course there are many members on here that are younger and perhaps they (with respect) should be advised to the dangers of modifying a vehicle and the consequences of said modifications? They often purchase an 80 and straight away fit bigger wheels, the result? The brakes no longer work as effectively as they did with the stock offering, not aimed at you but those who do not understand the laws of physics. So instead of understanding their brakes are no longer as good as they could be (or were), they come across the ABS delete or load valve removal threads and 'ah so that's the answer' and out comes the tool box! They don't realise the 80's brakes are (post 93 so larger and discs all round), and in stock (good working condition) form are able to stop not only the 80 but a loaded trailer as well up to a train weight circa 7 tons? And I have used the 80 in that scenario so know the feeling of how a loaded trailer can push a vehicle, (Class 2 HGV driver) but having read your thread before replying you point out that 'nothing trumps paying attention when driving' and that comment is absolutely spot on so I adjust my driving to suit the change in the vehicle condition however, that is when a possible accident situation is avoided, it is the 'moment of inattention' when a possible action will happen, the typical person cannot concentrate more than around 20 minutes before they are distracted, the sound of a police car wanting to pass with the siren sounding as it is coming up behind may not phase you, but our two kids (three in my case) fighting in the back are more than enough to distract us from driving.

Re the use of your vehicle it appears it is not used on the public highway, and I applaud you for that, but again I never said you did, remember to read and understand the comment before replying.

Children ah yes our loved ones, I too have fathered a boy and a girl, and adopted another girl from a broken family, but hey perhaps this where my caring thoughts about f*cking with brakes comes from, I would hate to even think about taking a child from this world because of stupidity and let's face it there are a lot of stupid people out there.

You state your DD is a totally stock Tundra with 'all safety features in place' a great way of saying you have removed at least one of the 'safety features' on your 80 because let's face it ABS is a 'safety feature' but you don't use it on a public highway so that does not matter does it?

Conscience level, again a follow up on the umbrella insurance comment not aimed at you but used by many however, this really should not be needed if you only drive a vehicle on a public road which is fully stock and legal which you state you do, and of course you were not doing something stupid, and I have no reason to think otherwise. But regardless of what insurance you have, it is unlikely to ease your heart and mind about someone who is killed by you or someone else.

Re driving before anti lock brakes were invented, I was born in the 1950's and Jensen fitted ABS during those years to their road cars, so I am going to rightly or wrongly assume you are around 60 years old? Of course ABS was on trucks many years before the 50's so you could be a lot older than 60 (put the keyboard down I was joking, LOl.)


Re testing an 80 without ABS and found that it stopped as well as my 80 but in a real world scenario it would not and why? Because if you set up a test, that is one 80 with ABS and the other without there would be too many variables to draw a conclusion in most circumstance, vehicle weight, the inability to repeat results and so forth, but let's go to the real world. Those loved ones in the back. You glance in the mirror to tell them to behave themselves, as you turn your attention back to the road ahead (remember that moment of inattention?) just as a person pushes out a pram in front of your vehicle, you do NOT think 'as the road is wet I am to going to avoid a lock up by braking gently' too late the kid is dead! You do not think 'as the road is wet I will use cadence braking to avoid a lock up' too late the kid is dead! You do not think 'I will brake gently and turn the steering to avoid the pram' Too late the kid is dead! Why have I used a those comments as examples? A number of reasons, the first being that a woman pushed a pram out in front of me whilst driving a loaded eight legger, (12 wheels four of them steering) and 10 tons empty, 32 when loaded, I stood on the brakes as hard as I could! It is a normal human reaction, the result was the kid was UNDER the lorry when it stopped due to it's height but due to the ABS the truck stopped before the front wheels reached him! I don't give a toss who you are, you WILL stand on that brake pedal, remember I am not talking about looking back to the road and seeing the line of traffic has suddenly stopped and you have a couple of seconds to make a braking decision, as humans and given the the split second you will not have time AND WILL slam on the brakes and MAY try to turn the steering wheel but you can't because you took out the ABS.


I did my mechanic's apprenticeship through 75 through to 79, and ABS was not part of the program, and all the cars were petrol engines, through the years I have had to learn 'on the job' as such so my skills run through the whole petrol era through to diesel, OBD, electrical systems and of course ABS, so a good grounding ( no pun intended) in pretty much anything to do with cars. My current business (presently suspended) as a time served mechanic, owning my first car at the age of 10 (Stupid East Londoner taking his mates to school at the age of 13!) Yes a young dick to say the least....but an honest one. So I think my maturity and life experiences does allow me to question and perhaps offer guidance to those who THINK they know what they are doing.

Now in closing your final comment about me perhaps not even owning an 80 is somewhat disappointing and at this point you are letting yourself down a little, look through my profile/posts and my long running thread and you will see I joined in 2009 when I purchased the same 80 I still own and is the longest I have ever owned the same vehicle, you will see my updates even as recently as a couple of weeks ago are still relevant and with the same car, whilst I cannot drive my 80 I can still work on it. remember what I said about reading and understanding before posting? Take the time and read the comment and think before rushing out a reply, I did say you seem to be an articulate and intelligent person, don't lead me and others to think I was wrong.

At this point My 80 is presently parked outside my house alongside my work van and has been since September last year when I was rushed into hospital with a malignant cancer brain tumour, after surgery my licence remains suspended having failed tests to recover it, I get another chance next June.

Please find attached pictures so you can see I am a genuine owner.

This took about ten minutes to type and an hour to proof read over and over, my cognitive functions still need time to recover so any typos are apologised for in advance.

Regards

Dave

 

[alia176]

@alia176 yup easier then expected.

Removing the abs lines actually took the longest

temps are getting warmer outside so it's time to move on to this and other 80 projects. Thanks for the encouragement amigo! Besides, I can use the space to permanently mount a new WW washer reservoir that the turbo displaced.

 

[Outsane]

@alia176 mmmm turbo..

Oh and don't forget to remove the abs computer if you don't want to see the abs light on constantly.

It's by your left foot while driving.