Man I was tempted to go down this path. You've made me think otherwise.
Sorry you're having a crappy experience, but I appreciate you sharing.
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Sorry you're having a crappy experience, but I appreciate you sharing.
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Got mine around August 2022, without the wastegate and a few small things.
Hello,
I did the methanol kit to feel confident in moving the boost up to 10 PSI. I am running the 8.5 PSI springs in the wastegate and have put a Turbosmart Boost T in the boost reference for the wastegate. The Boost T is a pneumatic bleed valve that allows adjustment of the boost reference, regardless of the springs loaded in the wastegate. It also has a "Gate feature" that reduces wastegate creep at lower boost levels.
(Another advantage to the Boost T: if I am on a long trip and run out of methanol, I can adjust the Boost T to full open and drop back to 8.5 PSI max to protect the engine. The LED on the dash will flash an error when the methanol gets below the sensor.)
All New Boost Tee Manual Boost Controller (Black)
TS-0101-1102 - All New Boost Tee Manual Boost Controller (Black)
www.turbosmart.com
Since there is no way to take out timing with the stock computer and I do not have an intercooler, the methanol kit reduces the intake air temp to compensate and hopefully suppress detonation.
Right now I have the Boost T adjusted to yield just over 10 PSI max (about 10.2 PSI). The first drive I took with the Boost T, I noticed that it does build boost faster and pulls better at lower boost levels. I think this is the "Gate feature" they advertise.
Note: I have extensively modified the stock fuel system to get to this boost level. I have a Supra fuel pump, a Landtank Scaled Injector kit (larger MAF housing and Subaru WRX injectors), and now the Methanol Injection kit. This is not a stock configuration.
Benefits are reduced intake air temperature. As boost builds, the temp rises until I hit 5 PSI, where the methanol kit starts injecting. The temp hits about 130 F then flattens off and starts to reduce as boost rises. I need to gather some more data at the current boost level, as I have only been here for a week. I do not hear or see any signs of detonation. Ambient temps have been low here in Santa Rosa this past week. Morning fog and temps not much over 75 F. The test will be this summer on trips to the Sierra with temps over 100 in the valley.
I am using Boost Juice for the methanol injection fluid. You can buy it on Amazon. I have not refilled the tank since just after my first testing, where I had the medium flow nozzle in and the engine was stumbling due to too much methanol. I burned 1/2 of a tank on those early runs. Since then I have used just 1/2 of a tank in about 300 miles of driving. A bunch of that has been WOT runs up a local hill to test the system, which I would not normally be doing.
The AEM kit does not require IAT temp input. But, given the point of installing it is to reduce IAT, being able to monitor it is a must. I use the numbers as feedback for adjusting the AEM controller.
The kit I bought is AEM P/N 30-3300. It is for 35 PSI max boost (overkill) but the lowest one they sell. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the max flow boost setting is more about changing the slop of the injection line. I found mine on ebay. A guy had bought it for a project that did not happen, so, I got it at a discount. The kit lists on AEM's website for $477.
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Awesome info. I can’t wait to install mine.Hello,
I did the methanol kit to feel confident in moving the boost up to 10 PSI. I am running the 8.5 PSI springs in the wastegate and have put a Turbosmart Boost T in the boost reference for the wastegate. The Boost T is a pneumatic bleed valve taht allows adjustment of the boost reference, regardless of the springs loaded in the wastegate. It also has a "Gate feature" that reduces wastegate creep at lower boost levels.
(Another advantage to the Boost T: if I am on a long trip and run out of methanol, I can adjust the Boost T to full open and drop back to 8.5 PSI max to protect the engine. The LED on the dash will flash an error when the methanol gets below the sensor.)
All New Boost Tee Manual Boost Controller (Black)
TS-0101-1102 - All New Boost Tee Manual Boost Controller (Black)
Since there is no way to take out timing with the stock computer and I do not have an intercooler, the methanol kit reduces the intake air temp to compensate and hopefully suppress detonation.
Right now I have the Boost T adjusted to yield just over 10 PSI max (about 10.2 PSI). The first drive I took with the Boost T, I noticed that it does build boost faster and pulls better at lower boost levels. I think this is the "Gate feature" they advertise.
Note: I have extensively modified the stock fuel system to get to this boost level. I have a Supra fuel pump, a Landtank Scaled Injector kit (larger MAF housing and Subaru WRX injectors), and now the Methanol Injection kit. This is not a stock configuration.
Benefits are reduced intake air temperature. As boost builds, the temp rises until I hit 5 PSI, where the methanol kit starts injecting. The temp hits about 130 F then flattens off and starts to reduce as boost rises. I need to gather some more data at the current boost level, as I have only been here for a week. I do not hear or see any signs of detonation. Ambient temps have been low here in Santa Rosa this past week. Morning fog and temps not much over 75 F. The test will be this summer on trips to the Sierra with temps over 100 in the valley.
I am using Boost Juice for the methanol injection fluid. You can buy it on Amazon. I have not refilled the tank since just after my first testing, where I had the medium flow nozzle in and the engine was stumbling due to too much methanol. I burned 1/2 of a tank on those early runs. Since then I have used just 1/2 of a tank in about 300 miles of driving. A bunch of that has been WOT runs up a local hill to test the system, which I would not normally be doing.
The AEM kit does not require IAT temp input. But, given the point of installing it is to reduce IAT, being able to monitor it is a must. I use the numbers as feedback for adjusting the AEM controller.
The kit I bought is AEM P/N 30-3300. It is for 35 PSI max boost (overkill) but the lowest one they sell. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the max flow boost setting is more about changing the slop of the injection line. I found mine on ebay. A guy had bought it for a project that did not happen, so, I got it at a discount. The kit lists on AEM's website for $477.
I bet that the cooling from the meth injection works really well with the scaled injectors and MAF. I also installed the boost T and I think everyone should be using one, even if to just improve how the boost comes on.
What I found interesting is that the stock fuel system handles the 8.7 psi of boost just fine, with AFRs still pig rich at 10.5, even at full boost.
That is great confirmation, thanks for letting me know you installed a Boost T also.Awesome info. I can’t wait to install mine.
I bet that the cooling from the meth injection works really well with the scaled injectors and MAF. I also installed the boost T and I think everyone should be using one, even if to just improve how the boost comes on.
What I found interesting is that the stock fuel system handles the 8.7 psi of boost just fine, with AFRs still pig rich at 10.5, even at full boost.
Joey was very conservative with this kit. And, as he has said before, if you go beyond the original kit, it is on you, the owner, not on him.
I agree that the Boost T is the way to go. I did swap to the 8.5 PSI springs first, then realized I would be better off tuning it with the Boost T. I came to that realization from the below video. Ford 300 ci inline six with a turbo kit on it. On a dino, they made 522 hp and 597 ft-lbs of torque at 13.7 PSI boost, and used a Boost T to adjust the boost up. They did have to change the wastegate springs once, so, there is not infinite adjustability upward with the Boost T.
Haha, in my old volvo 940 wagon I put an open vacuum tee on the wastegate line, no adjustability at all, just maxing out the wastegate's capability. That brick scooted like the dickens until I broke the u-joint. 
Thanks for the tip on the Boost T, I'll add one.
Edit: striking through my faulty logic
One thing I was thinking about as I was driving up in the mountains is that external wastegate operates on pressure difference between inside vs outside. Sea level Absolute atmospheric pressure = 14.7 psi.
At sea-level, the wastegate opens at +7psi = 21.7 absolute atmospheric pressure inside the intake.
At 9K feet (where pressure is 10.5 psi), the wastegate will open 4psi lower, effectively negating the reason turbochargers were invented (turbo normalization).
If we could feed 14.7psi of dome pressure into the top of external wastegate, the turbo would make up for changes in ambient air pressure.
...you know, the ever growing list of "cool s*** to do"
Edit: striking through my faulty logic
At sea-level, the wastegate opens at +7psi = 21.7 absolute atmospheric pressure inside the intake.
At 9K feet (where pressure is 10.5 psi), the wastegate will open 4psi lower, effectively negating the reason turbochargers were invented (turbo normalization).
If we could feed 14.7psi of dome pressure into the top of external wastegate, the turbo would make up for changes in ambient air pressure.
...you know, the ever growing list of "cool s*** to do"
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Ah, I see.
I read a bit more about EWG springs afterwards and this makes sense. Thanks for sharing and helping me learn.
I was thinking that the springs open due to pressure difference between manifold and atmosphere, but I see that’s not accurate.
This has been argued here multiple times. The spring pressure is constant independent of atmosphere.
…at least I didn’t argue
Thanks for sharing the reference.
I’ll take a look around there and find where the discussion starts and link it here so the next guy doesn’t have to ask
Link to post #482 where @scottryana starts dropping knowledge bombs about boost pressure
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It would be nice to know where we stand. I've got $6500 wrapped up in this.
I guess we can figure out where we stand if we all post when we bought our kit and when (or if) we've received it. I'll start
Lazy - purchased 8/9/2020
ChargedTaco - Purchased Feb 2020, Received August 2022, but was missing a wastegate that was promised 4-6 weeks later. No wastegate till this day. So I am running the turbo without a wastegate, until I receive one.
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This makes me think mine is just around the corner...
As they said in Ted Lasso, "It's the hope that kills you"
I don't think so. The OP says down the thread it's been installed for three years.
I'm two years without a peep from Joey. Like others a basic update and estimate of delivery - two sentences tops (which noting his IG habits isn't an issue) - and I would be fine. It's unprofessional and surprising given the amount of money we're talking about here.
His other projects and orders ship, he provides updates enthusiastically, his personal and market supply chain issues don't appear to effect those. The lack of communication is the absolute worst thing here. Better bad news than no news.
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