What do i gain with 35" over 33" tires?

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I ran 35s on my 92 for about 4 years when I lifted it. I didn't care for my 80 lifted and on 35s. I switched back to stock height and 31x10.50s. It has run that size since (12-13 years IIRC). I don't wheel incredibly hard but go places I probably shouldn't. Never felt like I should've turned around. Never got stuck where I couldn't get out. No lockers. No longer have a winch.

My 93 is getting 285/75/16 next week. And will stay stock lift height. It is 3x locked. I will be adding a winch when I get my front bumper.

95% of my miles will be on asphalt. We have some pretty rough roads here in Iowa but even with 33s I think I will be ok. I'll just have to get by the other 5%.
 
Mike, Not sure exactly what your point is but I will agree to put this hijack to rest. As long as EVERYBODY get home safely Im good with however one is equipped.:)

Next time in Co I'll look you up and you can school me on running the wall on Poughkeepsie Gulch unlocked wet:D <joke

Works for me. Been thinking about it in lesser equipment, not sure about wet, knowing everything around there, I prefer things on the dry side over the sloppy. I'm actually pretty sure the Trooper could've made it, not sure about that Rodeo, never got that far in the 55. My avatar was basically taken at the turning around point on that trip, late afternoon, came in from Lake City on Engineer, going back via Cinnamon, headed to a motel in Gunnison. It was a long afternoon. Bet the 55 would've made it. Pretty sure the 80 will. Not sure I need to. I've done everything but Black Bear and if the truck feels natural and is running right at that point, it's the priority the next trip in the best new view category. Plus we'll be dragging a trailer (NOT on Black Bear!), which should be interesting. We all have our own way of testing ourselves and our trucks -- and the requisite need for gear. I'll likely be happy to drag all the comforts of home over all those passes, having BTDT in a stock LC before. Another reason there are no 35s in my future:grinpimp:.
 
People that say they don't need lockers and can go anywhere a rig with lockers can are full of crap. Sure, you can pin the gas pedal to the floor and bounce your way up the trail but you are also tearing up the trail and also holding up the group since you might have to stack rocks.

Also, people that say 33s can make it anywhere 37s are also full of crap. If you are willing to give up highway/street performance for unmatched offroad performance, 37s are the way to go.
 
People that say they don't need lockers and can go anywhere a rig with lockers can are full of crap. Sure, you can pin the gas pedal to the floor and bounce your way up the trail but you are also tearing up the trail and also holding up the group since you might have to stack rocks.

Also, people that say 33s can make it anywhere 37s are also full of crap. If you are willing to give up highway/street performance for unmatched offroad performance, 37s are the way to go.



Hold on, if they go only places that only need 33s then yes the 33s will go anywhere 35, 37 or even 40s can go. Or only go places where no one needs locker.......then lockers are useless.


they are not full of crap, just different perspective. I've see stock, unlocked 80 with street tires do some pretty decent trails so I can see where they come from but I've also done stuff that would be very difficult/impossible on 33s and unlocked.....today! Not everyone has the pleasure of having trails that actually need 37s and lockers.
 
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Works for me. Been thinking about it in lesser equipment, not sure about wet, knowing everything around there, I prefer things on the dry side over the sloppy. I'm actually pretty sure the Trooper could've made it, not sure about that Rodeo, never got that far in the 55. My avatar was basically taken at the turning around point on that trip, late afternoon, came in from Lake City on Engineer, going back via Cinnamon, headed to a motel in Gunnison. It was a long afternoon. Bet the 55 would've made it. Pretty sure the 80 will. Not sure I need to. I've done everything but Black Bear and if the truck feels natural and is running right at that point, it's the priority the next trip in the best new view category. Plus we'll be dragging a trailer (NOT on Black Bear!), which should be interesting. We all have our own way of testing ourselves and our trucks -- and the requisite need for gear. I'll likely be happy to drag all the comforts of home over all those passes, having BTDT in a stock LC before. Another reason there are no 35s in my future:grinpimp:.

BB is so over rated these days I did in stock 100 on stock LTX. With all the trails you have done BB is doable in a Subaru


As for tire size 35's should of came on the 80 from the factory
 
People that say they don't need lockers and can go anywhere a rig with lockers can are full of crap. Sure, you can pin the gas pedal to the floor and bounce your way up the trail but you are also tearing up the trail and also holding up the group since you might have to stack rocks.

Also, people that say 33s can make it anywhere 37s are also full of crap. If you are willing to give up highway/street performance for unmatched offroad performance, 37s are the way to go.

If you have the coin to SAS a 100 series, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're reading comprehension isn't as poor as you've just demonstrated. I don't think anyone said a rig on 33s will go the same place as a rig on 37s all the time, every time. Rather a locked, armored and winch bearing rig on 33's will find its way up a trail with 37" tired rigs almost every time. In the few lines that it won't, the armor and winch will take up the slack. Ask me how I know...
 
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Most people who are looking at getting into a 35" MT are not rounding the bend to 70 years old. They are typically younger and interested in going farther and seeking out those situations which you are clearly avoiding. 35"s, lockers and a quality winch (;)) will help get them through every day all day.

I will have to let those who I wheel with know!:hillbilly: A bunch of them are retired, or close to that age, most run 35" or 37" tires. As long-term wheelers have learned that bigger tires, roll over stuff easier, so ride better, don't fall into as many holes, get trapped under as many ledges, so don't beat the rig as bad, etc. All around, bigger tires make the trail experience better.
 
If you have the coin to SAS a 100 series, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're reading comprehension isn't as poor as you've just demonstrated. I don't think anyone said a rig on 33s will go the same place as a rig on 37s all the time, every time. Rather a locked, armored and winch bearing rig on 33's will find its way up a trail with 37" tired rigs almost every time. In the few lines that it won't, the armor and winch will take up the slack. Ask me how I know...

A bit contradictory, don't you think?

I'm not exactly sure what correlation you're attempting to make that my bank account is directly related to my reading comprehension or education level, but the general feeling I get from most of the folks in this thread that bash on 37s is that 33s can make it anywhere 37" tires can with equal amounts of effort which is simply not true.

For the record, my SAS was built on a budget and built by me in my 2-car garage. I did not drop my Cruiser off at a shop to have it done.
 
Yeah, the last there is exactly where I left off...

Does that have much practical use? On occasion, but in half a century driving off road, these circumstances are really few and far between UNLESS you seek them out. Then you're gonna need them.

You disagree that "a rig on 33's could go pretty much wherever one on 35's can, and that you really don't need lockers either..."? Once again, if you go bear hunting, you will with a little luck, find a bear. If you're not hunting bear, then you will rarely encounter one, unless you leave the picnic basket on the table. ...

I agree that an under equipped rig can be put places where it shouldn't be, but it's hard work. For example we have put this one in places where others we have met on the trail, went WTF!?:hillbilly: Guy is a good driver, lots of seat time, patient (has to be). The 37" rigs roll right through, then it's all hands on deck to get the less equipped rigs through. Spot it in, something hangs, smacks rock, back it up, get the tires up, move forward, tire(s) slip off the rock, hanging it, back it up,,,, repeat. I guess it all good, if your idea of challenge is make it unnecessarily hard on rig and driver?

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That's exactly my point. I've spotted up numerous rigs up obstacles that can be tough on a truck that has small tires and no lockers. Typically it's the spotter or bystanders that stacks rocks or tries a different line which can hold up the trail. All I'm saying is that even though the small tire and under equipped vehicle CAN make it up doesn't mean that he's not tearing up his vehicle doing it.
 
I'm really not arguing that bigger tires, lockers, whatever are not an aid to getting certain places. All I'm saying is that in a place as rugged as Colorado is, you actually have to actively seek out places where these will make the difference in getting through. And you will have to look even harder to find places where an alternative route is not available. Blanca would be one, based on what I've heard, but I've never felt the need to go there. So I'm not even disputing that there are numerous examples that can be cited where said equipment would be beneficial.

But 90% of Colorado can be done in a Subaru, probably 99% in my lame, low-riding 80. I'm completely happy with leaving those who want to battle the elements to that other 1%. To me I just can't see putting money into the rig to deal with that 1% of by-ways. I understand the interest of those who do. But I suspect even most people here, as inclined to off-road excess as we are as a group, are most likely to spend most of their time on the 99% of Colorado trails/roads where the extra investment is superfluous in an 80.

I have mainly run the "big name" trails in Colorado, have done more of the less known trails in Utah, not sure that this applies to those areas? The group that I wheel with is tasked with taking care of the OHV trails in Tonto National Forest, Arizona, one assignment is running all ~4000 miles of them. If you grab the guide books, they cover a few hundred miles of trail, these are most often relatively well groomed, maintained. Well traffic worn, are very likely to see others on the trail (often lots), when you get to the mine, ruin, whatever, at the end, will most often be sanitized, stripped.

These trails are well published, when you get home, others around the water cooler are likely to recognize them, give props. If that is the experience that you are looking for, why not a Subaru, they get better mileage, ride nice, etc? Some of them are more challenging, sometimes just for the fun of the challenge. Here, the "big name" published trails are not the majority, more like the minority.

You may think those are the best, but I can tell you for a fact that the best stuff is in the other ~3000mi. True that you have to do some research, often be shown by others in the know. Also true that most of them take more commitment to run, in most cases, none of this is by accident. When you get to the mine at the end, there is more likely to be tools, equipment, glass still in the windows, gauges, etc. If these places were published, easy to get to, they would be stripped, some of us get upset when the name of these are posted. We often maintain trail by what we see, if there is something of value, often only "fix" safety issues, leave it tight, ruff, have to be willing to take scratches, need to be well equipped, work at, it to get there.

It's easy to look at a well used rig and think, teenage romper, but most of them that I know of are owned by mature, experienced, wheelers. Sometimes play in rock gardens, etc, for fun, but mostly use those skills (yes, even those horrible, hated, rock skills) to get to places that most don't know about or aren't equipped to get to.
 
That's exactly my point. I've spotted up numerous rigs up obstacles that can be tough on a truck that has small tires and no lockers. Typically it's the spotter or bystanders that stacks rocks or tries a different line which can hold up the trail. All I'm saying is that even though the small tire and under equipped vehicle CAN make it up doesn't mean that he's not tearing up his vehicle doing it.

Not only that, but it's hard on the trail. We spend a lot of time on the trail with Forest personnel. Recently we had the head of engineering and a road engineer with us on a relatively challenging trail. At the end, one of the comments from the head of engineering was; I did not see one tire spin all day! This is big, we fight about maintenance needs, erosion, silting, etc, being able to demonstrate this level of ease on the land is good stuff, does good for our cause.

They get constantly hammered about those big tire SUV rigs tearing up the land. When in reality horses have the highest ground pressure, their post holing is the worst, among OHV motorcycles are by far the worst. Big tire rigs (the bigger the better) properly aired down, combined with lockers and a driver who knows how/when to use them, can do amazing things without slipping a tire, often have the lowest ground pressure of any type of recreation.
 
I will have to let those who I wheel with know!:hillbilly: A bunch of them are retired, or close to that age, most run 35" or 37" tires. As long-term wheelers have learned that bigger tires, roll over stuff easier, so ride better, don't fall into as many holes, get trapped under as many ledges, so don't beat the rig as bad, etc. All around, bigger tires make the trail experience better.

This is the kind of stuff i was interested to here. I wanted to know how much of difference the 35s help with the things you mentioned in the end of your post.

I was pretty set on sticking with 33" before i read your post but now i am back thinking. I guess it never real is ending. I think what i would really like is good 285/75/17 on some Tundra wheels. But time will tell. I am sure i will change my mind a hundred time over the next few months.

I am setting off on a 2300 mile drive (5000 round trip?) today with the rig loaded down and kayak on the roof. This will give me some good info about stability and CG on the highway and factory gearing and 33" on the highway. Also i am curious to see how engine temps do pulling such a heavy load with A/C on but that is another conversation. The truck is not actually heavy (i pack light but bulky) but un-aerodynamic with roof rack loaded.

On a side not my spare usually rides under my sleeping platform inside the truck. The 35" would have fit fine. I needed the space for this trip so i put it in the stock place for the highway portion. Crap i HATE that thing hanging down! That did it. A rear bumper with a swing out is now a MUST in my future. The spare will still be inside most of the time so i can access my rear hatch. But i will have the option of rear swing out. So i guess i am saying rear bumper before re gear for me. I just have to decide between tried and true 4x4 labs or the work of art Mike at Bump It Off Road sells.
 
I often wish they made a skinnier 35 like a 285/85/16 would be swell.
 
I drive on lots of high speed gravel and washboard roads. Every time I have put bigger tires on a rig it has made the comfort of the ride on washboard noticeably better and smoother. Just for that reason I will never downsize from 35's.
 
This is the kind of stuff i was interested to here. I wanted to know how much of difference the 35s help with the things you mentioned in the end of your post.

I was pretty set on sticking with 33" before i read your post but now i am back thinking. I guess it never real is ending. I think what i would really like is good 285/75/17 on some Tundra wheels. But time will tell. I am sure i will change my mind a hundred time over the next few months.

I am setting off on a 2300 mile drive (5000 round trip?) today with the rig loaded down and kayak on the roof. This will give me some good info about stability and CG on the highway and factory gearing and 33" on the highway. Also i am curious to see how engine temps do pulling such a heavy load with A/C on but that is another conversation. The truck is not actually heavy (i pack light but bulky) but un-aerodynamic with roof rack loaded.

On a side not my spare usually rides under my sleeping platform inside the truck. The 35" would have fit fine. I needed the space for this trip so i put it in the stock place for the highway portion. Crap i HATE that thing hanging down! That did it. A rear bumper with a swing out is now a MUST in my future. The spare will still be inside most of the time so i can access my rear hatch. But i will have the option of rear swing out. So i guess i am saying rear bumper before re gear for me. I just have to decide between tried and true 4x4 labs or the work of art Mike at Bump It Off Road sells.

Sounds like your priority is highway, looks and interior space? The highway is where you pay for your off road choices. Some users think of wheeling as cross country highway trip, with a few miles of wheeling, maybe every few years, others wheel often, like weekly or some of us more. For highway use stock tires will perform the best, off road, the the biggest tire that can be fitted will work the best. If use is mainly highway, likely best to build for that and deal with the occasional off road? But really, for that, there are likely better performing vehicle choices?
 
Phil,

My point was you really have to try to find trails that require lockers.

Sure the vast majority or trails in Colorado have bypasses around the obstacles which if they weren't there would end your unlocked rigs day.

If you don't care to have the fun on those obstacles that's fine. I, among others, avoid the bypasses at all cost in order to fully test my and my rigs capabilities. Getting to the end of the trail without 'cheating' so to say, is like a badge of honor.
 
If you have the coin to SAS a 100 series, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're reading comprehension isn't as poor as you've just demonstrated. I don't think anyone said a rig on 33s will go the same place as a rig on 37s all the time, every time. Rather a locked, armored and winch bearing rig on 33's will find its way up a trail with 37" tired rigs almost every time. In the few lines that it won't, the armor and winch will take up the slack. Ask me how I know...

Agree, as long as the 37" rigs are being charitable, and/or don't know exploit the capability of their rigs.

Having spent some time dragging these around, we now refer to them as trailers with air conditioning. Note the strap attached on a downhill! I guess, if you consider dragging the same as wheeling, then this is just as capable as the 37" Cruiser it's attached to? It went the same place right? Being tied to it, really didn't have much choice in the matter!:hillbilly:

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