Unobtainium (6 Viewers)

[Racer65]

And doing away with the V8 in the Tundra. Not cool.

In my opinion the biggest fail is not adapting the 70 Series to the US market, and yielding the market to Jeep and now Ford. They’re celebrating the 70th Anniversary of the Land Cruiser by pulling out of the largest Land Cruiser market entirely.

 

[alabamatacomaguy]

In my opinion the biggest fail is not adapting the 70 Series to the US market, and yielding the market to Jeep and now Ford. They’re celebrating the 70th Anniversary of the Land Cruiser by pulling out of the largest Land Cruiser market entirely.

It would be interesting to see Toyota’s numbers comparing countries/markets for the 4x4 platforms. I’m guessing the margins and profits from the strong running 4runner/Tacoma/150 Prado,Lexus line in the US make them not bat an eye at land cruiser sales.
I read somewhere the margins on the lower priced vehicles for them are much better. I’m sure they could slap a sound system in a car model and charge good amount more than it cost for the upgraded trim and move tens of thousands of units a month in North America each month. I’m sure it’s a numbers game and volume game. They know what we will buy as a country better than we do.

I do think our passion for Toyota 4x4s would surprise the average Toyota executive. I keep thinking we need to line up all our cruisers along the road when Toyota big wigs come to town. The president of Toyota was in Huntsville a few years back when they announced a new engine plant there. I would love to see Akio Toyota’s face if he could have seen the effort people in that area like Roma and Micheal B put into their work on our beloved cruisers.

 

[iptman]

In my opinion the biggest fail is not adapting the 70 Series to the US market, and yielding the market to Jeep and now Ford. They’re celebrating the 70th Anniversary of the Land Cruiser by pulling out of the largest Land Cruiser market entirely.

Don't forget there's a 25% tariff/tax paid by the importer on any pickup truck entering the US not manufactured in North America. Take that away and hello 70 series and Hilux.

 

[ToyotaMatt]

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[hobbes]

I'm sure anything complicated, like an engine, will be priced out of site. But more idle thoughts for the list...

1972-1974 wiper arms (85190-90301).

1969-1974 wiper motor (85110-60080).

Last run of the 2Fs (19000-61211).

Early 70s door handles (69310-60031, 69320-60031).

Wiring harnesses.

A/C (88300-60082)?

A/C radiator? (16400-61030)

5 speed or just the top plate.

Front and rear driveshafts would be nice, but no one complains about those (37140-60090, 37110-60150).

I prefer the 3FE exhaust manifolds (17141-61080, 17142-61050).

If I had a 3B, I'd have dreams of a 13BT run (19000-58421 or the sorts).

 

[ToyotaMatt]

I'm sure anything complicated, like an engine, will be priced out of site. But more idle thoughts for the list...

1972-1974 wiper arms (85190-90301).

1969-1974 wiper motor (85110-60080).

Last run of the 2Fs (19000-61211).

Early 70s door handles (69310-60031, 69320-60031).

Wiring harnesses.

A/C.

A/C radiator? (16400-61030)

5 speed or just the top plate.

Front and rear driveshafts would be nice, but no one complains about those (37140-60090, 37110-60150).

I prefer the 3FE exhaust manifolds (17141-61080, 17142-61050).

If I had a 3B, I'd have dreams of a 13BT run (19000-58421 or the sorts).

Thank you Mr. Hobbes for providing part numbers and detailed application Production date information , and your justification for your desired GAZOO Racing Re-Release of needed 40 series parts ,,

and most importantly you have brought up my JEDI MIND TRICK Approach i will indeed be using on ALL or most of my suggested submissions when the Heritage website is updated for the land Cruiser Vehicle Platform along with the 2000GT , and Both Supra Generations currently listed there now

i plan to make and state Alternative Use applications suggested part numbers that can benefit the 60 series community as well here too , along with the 55 folks and older 40 series too .....

a one size fits all approach is the only path for me here ....

maybe my 40 series 1/75-1984 COLD CLIMATE / Arctic Spec. Heavy Duty Optional OEM ASMO Parts Maker 85120-90804 LHD wiper Motor assy will be my only exception to the rule ?

 

[ToyotaMatt]

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[hobbes]

This topic of new parts is spread over several threads. Perhaps it would be worthwhile to start a new thread for just this topic IOT discuss the validity of some of the ideas. ie. if its already supported aftermarket, suitable substitutes (would a 13BT long block work for the 3B folks?) or whatever...

 

[OGBeno]

This topic of new parts is spread over several threads. Perhaps it would be worthwhile to start a new thread for just this topic IOT discuss the validity of some of the ideas. ie. if its already supported aftermarket, suitable substitutes (would a 13BT long block work for the 3B folks?) or whatever...

There is already a thread going.

It’s a sticky at the top of this section.

 

[cruiseroutfit]

In my opinion the biggest fail is not adapting the 70 Series to the US market, and yielding the market to Jeep and now Ford. They’re celebrating the 70th Anniversary of the Land Cruiser by pulling out of the largest Land Cruiser market entirely.

US the largest Land Cruiser market? Curious by what metric? Australia, Africa, Central/South America and perhaps others absolutely smoke our new Land Cruiser sales for decades. I'd be shocked if there was ever a year more Land Cruisers sold in the US vs. Australia. I think I've seen more 200's in a single town in Saudi Arabia than Toyota USA sold in 2015 for example.

 

[onemanarmy]

It would be interesting to see Toyota’s numbers comparing countries/markets for the 4x4 platforms. I’m guessing the margins and profits from the strong running 4runner/Tacoma/150 Prado,Lexus line in the US make them not bat an eye at land cruiser sales.
I read somewhere the margins on the lower priced vehicles for them are much better. I’m sure they could slap a sound system in a car model and charge good amount more than it cost for the upgraded trim and move tens of thousands of units a month in North America each month. I’m sure it’s a numbers game and volume game. They know what we will buy as a country better than we do.

I do think our passion for Toyota 4x4s would surprise the average Toyota executive. I keep thinking we need to line up all our cruisers along the road when Toyota big wigs come to town. The president of Toyota was in Huntsville a few years back when they announced a new engine plant there. I would love to see Akio Toyota’s face if he could have seen the effort people in that area like Roma and Micheal B put into their work on our beloved cruisers.

Mr. Toyoda doesnt care. Except about the almighty dollar...and that's the world we live in. He signed off on a rebadged Z4 as a Supra....and I'd wager the original Supra owners are just as rabid as FJ40 owners. He claimes to be a car guy, but that is easily disproven.

America gets the bloated and expensive and overly complicated 4runner and tundra and sequoia. The average dumb car buyer in the US has asked, and continues to buy, for such things, so we get them.

 

[cruiserdan]

I'd be shocked if there was ever a year more Land Cruisers sold in the US vs. Australia.

1958 actually. One sold in the USA. Toyota landed in Australia in 1959. Since then, no contest.

 

[cruiseroutfit]

1958 actually. One sold in the USA. Toyota landed in Australia in 1959. Since then, no contest.

Tis true, those Thiess Brothers were not fast enough

 

[WarDamnEagle]

US the largest Land Cruiser market? Curious by what metric? Australia, Africa, Central/South America and perhaps others absolutely smoke our new Land Cruiser sales for decades. I'd be shocked if there was ever a year more Land Cruisers sold in the US vs. Australia. I think I've seen more 200's in a single town in Saudi Arabia than Toyota USA sold in 2015 for example.

I can confirm that statement in spades. 200s are ubiquitous in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and the UAE. I haven't spent enough time in Kuwait, Jordan, or Oman to have an opinion but they are poorer counties (except for Kuwait) so maybe not quite as many 200s.

Just to add, I see statements on this forum all the time suggesting that the 70 series is Toyota's "flagship" or largest seller or whatever. I see 100x more 200s, Prados, and maybe 200x more Hilux pickups than 70 series. Would be interesting to see "non mining" sales of 70 series vs. the 200. I'm guessing the ratio is very low. In fact, I probably saw more 70 series in one day at one of our mines than on the road in 6 months.

 

[WarDamnEagle]

In my opinion the biggest fail is not adapting the 70 Series to the US market, and yielding the market to Jeep and now Ford. They’re celebrating the 70th Anniversary of the Land Cruiser by pulling out of the largest Land Cruiser market entirely.

I view the 70 series a bit like the H1 hummer. It isn't adapted to any market other than short haul, rugged environments (e.g. mining, farming or military) but enjoys a modicum of consumer sales to enthusiasts.

 

[Racer65]

US the largest Land Cruiser market? Curious by what metric? Australia, Africa, Central/South America and perhaps others absolutely smoke our new Land Cruiser sales for decades. I'd be shocked if there was ever a year more Land Cruisers sold in the US vs. Australia. I think I've seen more 200's in a single town in Saudi Arabia than Toyota USA sold in 2015 for example.

I stand corrected. It still seems like a bit of a chicken and egg question. Since Toyota abandoned the market, there is no market for them. Meanwhile, Jeep has been selling vehicles by the bucket loads that supposedly aren't worth Toyota's time.

 

[1969FJ]

You Can Still Buy a Brand-New, Old-School Toyota Land Cruiser. Just Not in America | Gear Patrol

Toyota's legendary 70-Series Land Cruiser is forbidden fruit for Americans.

www.gearpatrol.com

 

[Living in the Past]

I can confirm that statement in spades. 200s are ubiquitous in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and the UAE. I haven't spent enough time in Kuwait, Jordan, or Oman to have an opinion but they are poorer counties (except for Kuwait) so maybe not quite as many 200s.

Just to add, I see statements on this forum all the time suggesting that the 70 series is Toyota's "flagship" or largest seller or whatever. I see 100x more 200s, Prados, and maybe 200x more Hilux pickups than 70 series. Would be interesting to see "non mining" sales of 70 series vs. the 200. I'm guessing the ratio is very low. In fact, I probably saw more 70 series in one day at one of our mines than on the road in 6 months.

I view the 70 series a bit like the H1 hummer. It isn't adapted to any market other than short haul, rugged environments (e.g. mining, farming or military) but enjoys a modicum of consumer sales to enthusiasts.

If you look at the average income in certain countries in the Middle East would explain the number of 200 series. The 200 is only made in a single version, a four door SUV. The 70 series is made in three different wheel base. Hard top, soft top, pickup and tray back. Australia in itself is a huge market for the 70 series. Would curious the cost of a Hilux pickup verses the 70 series pickup. Also unless something changed the LC is only a 4WD. Hilux comes in 2WD.

I know the Prado was considered a light duty 70 series at one time. Looking at Amayama Trading the origin of the Prado started in Japan with the 1980s JDM version of the BJ4X. Some of those I can only find under the Prado listing.

 

[waiting for time]

We used to have the 70 series as the “standard“ Land Cruiser here until the 90 series came. Now you can only buy them from gray import dealers.

 

[alabamatacomaguy]

If you look at the average income in certain countries in the Middle East would explain the number of 200 series. The 200 is only made in a single version, a four door SUV. The 70 series is made in three different wheel base. Hard top, soft top, pickup and tray back. Australia in itself is a huge market for the 70 series. Would curious the cost of a Hilux pickup verses the 70 series pickup. Also unless something changed the LC is only a 4WD. Hilux comes in 2WD.

I know the Prado was considered a light duty 70 series at one time. Looking at Amayama Trading the origin of the Prado started in Japan with the 1980s JDM version of the BJ4X. Some of those I can only find under the Prado listing.

I saw this a few weeks back on YouTube. Nice to have somewhere relevant to bring it up. This is a good comparison if I remember it even brings in costs.

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