TRD or Magnuson supercharger?

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I had a tundra with a TRD supercharger , crew max was a great truck frame just had too much flex for my liking . The Super charger was great lots of power , if you think your truck is thirsty now just wait till you have a Super charger on the 5.7 and you have to run premium gas all the time .
I switched up to a diesel truck for my towing .
I’m happy with the gas naturally aspirated 5.7 but would have liked a diesel option for my Land Cruiser .
I would not want a supercharger on my land cruiser , gasoline is garbage these days , fuel companies just load up the gas with more Ethanol is a cheap way to boost octane rating .
Blended Ethanol gas is tremble eats a corrodes fuel systems , absorbs water any where it can .
No Super charger for my LC
 
@4wheelgreg I get it. If this truck were my only land cruiser and I was actually planning on keeping it I would not even consider the supercharger. It already gets terrible gas mileage so what’s a little worse? I’m not really worried about running ethanol gas because I’ll end up selling the truck before it hits 40,000 miles.

I’m really more curious about the experiences individuals had with the install. For example, I have a new Ford Super Duty that I use for towing a small fishing skiff. I decided to do the DPF delete and that was not a great process. There were a few days in which I thought I might have just turned my new diesel truck into a very expensive boat anchor. The EPA is cracking down on tuners and we had a difficult time with the ECU. There were instances the truck would not exceed 55 mph....would only move in reverse...stuff like that. It was finally worked out but I’m not sure I really want to deal with that again.
 
I had the 4.7L TRD supercharger on my 100. Ended up bending a rod due to ECU not being programmed properly (very easy mistake to make). The thought crossed my mind to get a SC for my 5.7L but I was worried I might hurt myself. It would be nice to be able to speed through every yellow lights from a mile away but the 200 like the 100 is a brick on wheels (esp with KO2s). I am more worried about how the 200 handles everything but a straight line. Its not a sports car and the truck suspension will never be like a rack and pinion bmw. With all that power and weight the 200 is not going to pull turns and curves without a ton of body roll. Its one of the things I feel we give up to have the awesome chassis.
 
Interestingly, my neighbor has a Tundra with a Magnuson supercharger on his 5.7. ~110k miles overall on the chassis (not sure how many miles on the S/C). He took it off this past weekend to ship back to Magnuson to be refurbished. Excessive whine from the compressor lobes/bearings.

I'm a junkie of big power and have built/turbo'd/engine swapped/tuned many a toy. I use to tune standalone's and piggy's for various Lexus cars. For my toy sports car, big turbo and big injectors for fun. I consider my 200-series my utility workhorse and tow big loads. While more power would be awesome for that, I personally wouldn't do it. Power adders are for toys. Stock drivetrains for heavy lifting and work. Because of the added stress and heat loads, in a continuous fashion when used to haul heavy loads, it'll certainly cause premature wear and likely earlier incidental failures.

As an example, the increased continuous heat loads would cause an earlier demise of the catalytic converter. As I intend put mileage and keep my vehicle for awhile, I don't want to be stuck with a $$$$ early maintenance bill to pass smog in the future.

Long story short, if you consider your 200-series a toy, go for it. Expect to pay to play. If it's the family truckster, utility vehicle, and primary mode of transportation that will have some mileage, I'd think twice.
 
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I was too also thinking about a Magnuson supercharger (and did confirm that Magnuson was the company making the TRD superchargers for Toyota's before the program was canceled) I confirmed with Magnuson that the Tundra 5.7 supercharger they sell WILL work for our 200 series, BUT the programming will NOT and you will need a CUSTOM TUNE. Toyota dealerships do not have this custom tune, so you would need to find an independent shop that perform that trick. With that being said... stock is where I'm leaving it. dependability is worth more then power.....
 
I don't have a supercharger on my 200. I had a TRD supercharger on one of my 80 series and it didn't require a tune. I wonder what the difference is?
 
I recall Mat at OV Tune was working on a Tundra specific ECU tune for supercharger. One MUD member, edwarg, was working with him on a custom supercharger tune for the 200 series. Once the legwork is done it might be available for public consumption. I assume it involves reflashing ECU and data logging as other tunes produced by OVTune.
 
I had Sparks Toyota install the Magnusson SC almost two years ago. I used to get a P0172/P0175 code occasionally, but this has been occurring more frequently, so I need to look into it. The power/torque is very nice, and after experiencing the power robbing effects of high altitude on a normally aspirated motor while out west, I am sold on S/C or turbo. I also had a S/C on my 100 series and that was also very nice. I have lost about 2mpg, but I attribute most of that to 305 65 18 nitto's, a prinsu rack, which, sliders and skids..
 
I recall Mat at OV Tune was working on a Tundra specific ECU tune for supercharger. One MUD member, edwarg, was working with him on a custom supercharger tune for the 200 series. Once the legwork is done it might be available for public consumption. I assume it involves reflashing ECU and data logging as other tunes produced by OVTune.
I doubt it will be one-size-fits-all for the landcruiser because over the years there are different transmissions and encryption schemes. They deal with this on the tundra but sell a lot more of those and are far more likely to recover their investment.
 
Is there a 101 version of an explanation why the 200 series supercharger would need a tune and the 80 didn't?
 
I doubt it will be one-size-fits-all for the landcruiser because over the years there are different transmissions and encryption schemes. They deal with this on the tundra but sell a lot more of those and are far more likely to recover their investment.
Agreed, I saw they have only cracked the ECU coding on Tundra 2018 to current, if they don’t go further back on that ECU then not likely to go deep into 200 series model years.
 
Is there a 101 version of an explanation why the 200 series supercharger would need a tune and the 80 didn't?
My guess is that the 200 series ECU and TCU have more extensive digital coding involving fuel/air maps, shift points, torque converter engagement and other various witchcraft that is standard operation on newer vehicles. Makes them more sensitive to substantive changes like adding a supercharger? Anybody with tuning expertise will likely have a better technical explanation than I 😂
 
I really want an SC on my HE, but probably won't for reliability issues. I'm going to keep weight down by avoiding bumpers if possible, AL BudBuilt skids instead of steel, paying attention to tire weight and limiting size and tread to only what I really, really need. Eventually I may supercharge, but only when it reaches toy status. At that point I'll probably build a motor intended for boost.

Is there a 101 version of an explanation why the 200 series supercharger would need a tune and the 80 didn't?

There could be all kinds of specific reasons but it boils down to can the stock components measure the increased air, including pressure versus vacuum (depending on AFM, MAF or speed density may or may not be capable), do the fuel and ignition tables in the ECU have data to fuel the amount of additional air, do the stock pump and injectors have the capacity, etc. This is anecdotal but it also seems like earlier FI systems had more capacity and flexibility in them, maybe because they were less precise and needed more margin for error? Taking this "less flexible in current vehicles" even further I know that VW and Audi (for example my 2018 VW R), and likely others, no longer directly measure everything via sensors (closed loop) but instead build all the programming/data tables and then rely on fewer sensors. Sort of like eliminating TPMS sensors and using rotational speed of the individual wheels (using the ABS sensors?) to indirectly determine low tire pressure as opposed to measuring tire pressure directly. Cost savings. There's very little flexibility in a system like this because it doesn't have as much feedback/compensation capability, and it is much more complex to backwards engineer/tune.

And finally how much do you care about a perfect tune as opposed to one that will simply not blow up but may do things like decrease life due to over fueling a bit and gas washing the oil off the cylinder walls under certain conditions. And don't trust a standard O2 to tell you this - they are not intended for tuning as they can't measure high and load load well (where you need to be further away from 14.7). You need a wideband.

On my 2FE (bored over 2F with cam, porting, exhaust, bored TB, matched/balanced intake, etc.) conventional wisdom was to decrease the spring tension in the AFM to compensate for the additional air and get the right A/F ratio. I ran a wideband Innovate O2 tied into my in dash PC (wrote the code to display A/F ratio in the front end software that did music, maps, etc) and found that it ran pig rich under load when doing this.

I eventually swapped for a Split Second programmable MAF to replace the factory AFM so that I could program the output voltage to the stock ECU to get the right A/F ratio for the increased displacement from the stock fuel tables. Which way back when the 3FE was designed in the mid '80s had the data in the ECU and enough capacity in the stock hardware to handle the increase (and more, from what I observed).
 
awesome info here. Reviving this because I found a 2017 that I really liked and i saw the image below. i think i am going to pass.
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For those of you that are hesitant bc of reliability issues...I had a SC on my old 13 Tundra and it ran flawlessly til I sold it at 125k miles. If they made a TRD one for the LC200 I would be installing it immediately. The power gains were ridiculous and I actually got better mileage spinning my 35's with the SC on the Tundra than without.

When I bought a new 2019 Tundra at the end of last year I drove it straight from the dealership in Ventura to Magnusson in Ventura...first stop in the new truck. They mentioned they don't have the tune for CA emissions for the 2019's yet but when they do I'll be adding one to the truck. If they offered the same for the 200 I'd add one to that without hesitation.
 
The hardware exists and is proven.

It's the software, tuning, that is the unknown at the moment. This can make or break ones experience with any forced induction, and will be the deciding variable for long term durability.

It does seem like products are trickling out. I would focus less on the specific hardware, and more on the quality of the tune.

 
The hardware exists and is proven.

It's the software, tuning, that is the unknown at the moment. This can make or break ones experience with any forced induction, and will be the deciding variable for long term durability.

It does seem like products are trickling out. I would focus less on the specific hardware, and more on the quality of the tune.

My thoughts as well. If something like HPtuners offers support for your year of 200 finding someone that knows what they are doing should be simple. Someone with a ton of LS experience might not know the most about totally optimizing a toyota engine but I’d want it tuned conservatively anyway.
 
in that 2017 above, I noticed that the stock air intake had not been altered, nor had the stock exhaust. Why put a 7k upgrade on the LC without taking the extra steps? How hard is it to put the proper air intake and exhaust on a supercharged LC? There is probably no connection, but it got me thinking about the ECU flash and proper tuning. Interestingly, when I called the dealership back to ask a few more questions, they were like "supercharger? what's a supercharger?" LOL, it didn't inspire confidence. Anyway, the truck sold - hopefully who ever bought it knew they had something interesting under the hood!
 

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