Tire carrier... need help

[Alic]

Hi, everybody.
I need help with constructing tire carrier in OEM bumper.
I dont want to have overweight on the my car's back.
Input:
1) tire 35-38 inch size
2) OEM bumper(right plastic corner)
3) bad unsurfaced roads with long runs and hard shaking

What is the question:
What thickness of matireal
what will be the best round pipe or square pipe to construct
what do you use as a spindel. Spindel from another car or turnermade? If turnermade, then from what matireal, simple steel or may be make from axle, shaft or torsion?
what bearing to use? Is it enough kingpin bearings from the front knuckle?
what lock to use. We have no shop stock lockes here and have to handmade or use from some japan car if it is exists.
where to do fastener to rear bar? I have rear winch in the middle and can make fastener from the left or from the right of the rollers. (small or long shoulder to do)

I will be glad to links to photos or another threads with such build.
There is roller in the phoros below. Carrier will be on

the right side

 

[mechanist]

Nice rig. Love the rear winch.

 

[Fj81]

Looks like that truck has the hardware for a stock rear tire carrier. Maybe you can find one of those

 

[MDarius]

Hi Alic. I have seen a conversation on here about building a tire carrier and keeping the original bumper and corner. I'll see if I can find it...

 

[Alic]

Reasons to change oem tire carrier many.
Stock tire carrier is not taugh enaugh to hold 38 tire.
I removed it cause it began wobbling. And tire is too heavy and based only on the one back body-frame rubber.
Metal under it began to crack. I weldet it, but want to replase all load to the frame, not ot the body.
I installed plastic back door instead metal. It has no place to carrier clatch.

 

[Alic]

Hi Alic. I have seen a conversation on here about building a tire carrier and keeping the original bumper and corner. I'll see if I can find it...

Thanks

 

[Fj81]

Ok Search for oem Bumper tire carrier, you will see some pictures and ideas in there, there is also another recent thread that had a swing out using a hitch gate made to fit where the pintle mount is on the rear crossmember

 

[TomH]

Some good info here:
Factory Bumper Swing Out Build

 

[MDarius]

Wits' End 80 Series OEM Bumper Mounted Rear Tire Carrier (formerly AJIK)

@NLXTACY might be able to help you since you are outside his target market. But I've also seen one that is welded or bolted to the frame with the spindle inside the plastic corner. They cut a hole in the corner piece for the spindle. Hmmm...

 

[Hornd]

Sorry to Derail:
Can we see some more pictures of Kamchatka?
I saw the Nat Geo Issue from there an it is breathtaking. It is very very very remote as well.
Might it even be better than Alaska, minus the politics?

 

[96Cruiser]

here is one solution for the swingout spindle:
Tire Carrier Hinge Kit - HEAVY DUTY - 1-3/4" Spindle Shaft

 

[jfz80]

There are a few threads detailing such builds over the years. Here is one that Summit Cruiser Jr is offering

Sale thread for DIY kit
80 Series Factory Bumper Swing Out DIY Kits

Thread detailing build and material specs if delivery is cost prohibitive
Factory Bumper Swing Out Build

 

[Hornd]

Have a Hitch Tube Welded on the Front Bumper and Carry it Rover Style?
I bet you open your hatch and tailgate more than the hood?

Roof Rack is a good place too but that's an additional 100# upsetting center of gravity.

Putting a Cantilevered Lever Arm on edge of bumper with what appears to be a big heavy tire (35"?) asking for Trouble.

 

[2fpower]

@Zane rear bumper thread is what you want.

 

[2fpower]

Custom OEM Bumper Tire Carrier

 

[jfz80]

Here are some others to peruse. They would need slight modification to avoid your rear winch fairlead.

Zanes
FZJ80 Custom Rear Tire Carrier (picks)

Christo's
Sleeoffroad.com - swing out tire carrier



Slow91fj80, joedm and wildyoats all had a build but pics or site are gone now

Another thought is to make a whole wing to attach spindle too. Similare to heafty fab wings that are no longer avail or what cody c did

Heftyfab wing with swing
HEFTY Fabworks Rear Bumper Wings!

Cody's

Edit: @WildYoats carrier. Unfortunately his website with description is down/suspended. Maybe he can fix or add some pics or specs

Rear Tire Carrier BUILD - (Thanks Mud!)

 

[MDarius]

So, we've all provided a pretty good mix of options for the OP. It sounds like manufactured parts options are pretty slim. He was asking about how to build a spindle and how to rig a latch. I'm guessing his access to Amazon and 4Wheel Parts is less than ours. I'm not a welder or fabricator. Anybody else have any ideas on how you'd rig something up without commercial solutions?

I've imported equipment into Russia many times. Transit time can be months. The cost of transportation is high. Official and unofficial "fees" are prohibitive. It can be done. Usually having a legitimate, and lucrative, business to ship to is helpful. Shipping parts as "samples" before adding value to them and completing manufacturing in Russia is more successful than shipping a finished product. I'm not sure what it's like for private citizens to receive international shipments, but this has been my experience. Any help we can offer would be good.

 

[jfz80]

So, we've all provided a pretty good mix of options for the OP. It sounds like manufactured parts options are pretty slim. He was asking about how to build a spindle and how to rig a latch. I'm guessing his access to Amazon and 4Wheel Parts is less than ours. I'm not a welder or fabricator. Anybody else have any ideas on how you'd rig something up without commercial solutions?
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He also said he would appreciate any links or similar builds. They were just examples to follow with his own sourceable parts whatever they may be. In those threads are options and ideas for spindles (trailer) and latches (scew pins) Just trying to help where possible and wouldnt post about materials or methods im unsure of like best metals to use for turning one down from scratch.

 

[MDarius]

He also said he would appreciate any links or similar builds. They were just examples to follow with his own sourceable parts whatever they may be. In those threads are options and ideas for spindles (trailer) and latches (scew pins) Just trying to help where possible and wouldnt post about materials or methods im unsure of like best metals to use for turning one down from scratch.

Yeah, yeah, I get that. I posted a link too. No criticism of that. They are all helpful. More is better than less. I'm just thinking that if I'm him, I've got some good ideas, now I need help figuring out how to implement them.

 

[BILT4ME]

If you have or can find an old trailer that no longer works or you can cut up:

Use sections of the frame to build an inner support behind the plastic to create a secondary "frame'. Then use one of the wheel spindles to weld or bolt through the top of the bumper. You may have to torch off the flanged part of the spindle where the lug bolts are. Then weld more of the frame on the outside of the spindle to create the frame for hanging and swinging the wheel.. A latch can be as simple as a bolt and holes or a rubber strap.

Your design will match whatever supplies you can locate to start with.