I don't think I'd want a "normal" shop that normally is slapping brake pads in Corollas messing with my KDSS system. I'd rather have someone with at least some experience with installing stuff like this.
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bloc
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Yes full droop, or close to it before modifying. I had to take 3/8” of metal or so between the outer hex edge of the stop and the bracket it is attached to. It is the coil itself that hits, I think the second wrap or so but can’t remember exactly which one. I got a pic of the modified bracket but forgot to get one of the contact itself, that was in the plan for when I finally get the thing on a ramp. (It’s all the way across town and I’ve been working a ton lately)
NY2LA
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So strange to hear this. I queried Ben about this on the phone, and he went so far as to recommend Firestone or similar places. He expressed clear confidence in the ability of just any run of the mill shop to easily do the work. And he expressed issues with higher-end shops that can occur.
Fortunately the contact is on the coil spring in the fully extended position which should give pretty readily when there's contact. Unless someone is racing or articulating hard regularly, it's probably not a big issue even if it wasn't clearance.
Sure seems like King really tried to maximize all the potential travel there was. Interested in how much down travel it adds.
Maybe something like a coil sleeve could minimize contact impacts
Sure seems like King really tried to maximize all the potential travel there was. Interested in how much down travel it adds.
Maybe something like a coil sleeve could minimize contact impacts
NY2LA
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Ok, guys. I'm leaning toward this tire: Nitto Ridge Grappler LT285/70R18 (Nitto Ridge Grappler 285/70R18).
This seems like the best of all worlds. I get an E load range and off road tread and toughness. I go up to 34" in diameter for a better ride over the small bumps. And, according to @gaijin in another thread, I get my recommended PSI down to 38. Seems like this would let me have my cake and eat it too.
Anyone have any experience with this tire? Will it fit?
This seems like the best of all worlds. I get an E load range and off road tread and toughness. I go up to 34" in diameter for a better ride over the small bumps. And, according to @gaijin in another thread, I get my recommended PSI down to 38. Seems like this would let me have my cake and eat it too.
Anyone have any experience with this tire? Will it fit?
CharlieS
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I'm with @bloc, this isn't just an unbolt and bolt on job. There is grinding on the front bump stops for spring clearance, and I had to do some modification to the rear bump stops as well (only slotted the mounting holes, but it wasn't as simple as unbolt, rebolt) to fit the reservoir brackets. I'd find a trusted shop, ideally that knows Toyota/4x4s.
bloc
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The coils are spaced closer than that, and it was one of the coils down by the lower bucket, so it would put a significant side load on the lower spherical rod end and the shaft itself. It was enough interference that there is no way to even get the coilover into place without making the room.Fortunately the contact is on the coil spring in the fully extended position which should give pretty readily when there's contact. Unless someone is racing or articulating hard regularly, it's probably not a big issue even if it wasn't clearance.
Sure seems like King really tried to maximize all the potential travel there was. Interested in how much down travel it adds.
Maybe something like a coil sleeve could minimize contact impacts
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I will say that while I took that much material off to get it about 1/16” of clearance, once my alignment was adjusted to compensate for the raised ride height (add camber and caster) it made a fair amount more room. But I don’t think it is enough that you could go straight to that position and avoid having to make the modifications in the first place.
A tundra arm though..
I have the 285/75R17 which is the same width and within 0.1" height. See my "34s on stock suspension" thread (though don't let the thread name fool you, I ended up with a lift...) Basically it'll fit if you are willing to trim some of the front plastic liner, remove your front mud flaps, smack the bracket behind the mud flaps with a hammer, and use a heat gun to warm and re-shape the back part of the wheel well to make a nice smooth arc
Height and alignment for the KDSS and swaybar rub. I have +25 offset wheels which don’t help with the mud flaps and front plastic. If you stick to factory wheels it might be a bit less work
NY2LA
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Ah, got it. Yeah, sticking with the Heritage 18s, as I've done a big of custom painting elsewhere in the vehicle to match them.
After further reading here, I'm now leaning toward 275/70.
Looking at Pirelli Scorpion All Terrain Plus (less aggressive end of spectrum, https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tire...8SATPOWL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes) and Toyo Open Country A/T III based on feedback here (more aggressive, https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tire...White Letters&partnum=77SR8OCAT3OWL&tab=Specs)
bloc
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Damn. But realistically that 8-14 quote was probably going to end up being 16-20, hence the change. My quote was 4-5 weeks and ended up being 8. For the record filthy said from the beginning this could happen, and with supply chains being what they are right now I understand, but yeah I totally get not being able to wait that long.
I assume this was just for the King shocks? Hmmm... maybe I should order now, so they'll show up when the weather is warming up. Was planning to do this work myself anyway.
NY2LA
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Hey @KLF , @bloc ,@TeCKis300 et al, have you guys seen this kit from Superior Engineering in Australia: Superior Remote Reservoir 2.5 3 Inch Lift Kit Suitable For Toyota Landcruiser 200 Series | Superior Engineering
This one is 3 to 4 inches and can do a 35" tire. They also have 0 to 2 inch kits. This one comes with a bunch of drivetrain goodies to correct for various geometry issues, including CV angles.
I'm almost wondering if it's good to just go 3" and have flexibility in place for whatever I find works best down the road -- no pun intended.
Anyone have thoughts on these kits?
This one is 3 to 4 inches and can do a 35" tire. They also have 0 to 2 inch kits. This one comes with a bunch of drivetrain goodies to correct for various geometry issues, including CV angles.
I'm almost wondering if it's good to just go 3" and have flexibility in place for whatever I find works best down the road -- no pun intended.
Anyone have thoughts on these kits?
I'm not familiar with that brand or kit. That's out of my price range, you'd be into that for prolly ~$10K by the time you get it shipped here and installed. Too rich for my budget.
NY2LA
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Keep in mind that's Australian dollars, so $4900 USD for everything, which is on par with BP-51 if you get UCAs and a couple more things. They also have cheaper kits if you go 2.0 instead of 2.5. Or you can go crazy and get speedometer correction, flares, and lots more.
Here's the full menu of kit options for the 200: Suspension Lift Kits | Superior Engineering
Here's the full menu of kit options for the 200: Suspension Lift Kits | Superior Engineering
afgman786
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From the videos I watch on YouTube that are based in Australia, they talk good about Superior and the kits they offer.
bloc
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For me: pass.
These remote reservoir shocks aren’t designed to go OEM distances, and as such will need maintenance periodically. I’m hoping to get 30k out of my kings between rebuilds, which will probably depend a lot on how I use them. Most people go much further, and it is likely I will too, but I consider that worst case. Either way, I know I’m on the hook for some work, and will need to be able to get parts for that work well into the future. King has been around for a long time, I have multiple outlets to order parts from them, and plenty of documentation on how to do the work on my bench if I don’t want to pay someone to do it.
There are a number of shock companies that have made nice systems but become defunct here in the states.
I don’t know how big superior is in Australia, but by installing one of their systems here you are hoping you’ll be able to get those parts and have them serviced when the time comes. Preferably without shipping them back to Australia. Good shock shops here can probably figure it out.. but will the parts be available?
As for 35s.. keep in mind it isn’t just the lift that is the limit. Your KDSS arm limits tire size and width. I believe some Aussie 200s have standard sway bars and don’t deal with this limitation.
Having a set of Kings, I know the wait is an inconvenience but that is what I would hold out for. The quality, support, and customization is just amazing.
These remote reservoir shocks aren’t designed to go OEM distances, and as such will need maintenance periodically. I’m hoping to get 30k out of my kings between rebuilds, which will probably depend a lot on how I use them. Most people go much further, and it is likely I will too, but I consider that worst case. Either way, I know I’m on the hook for some work, and will need to be able to get parts for that work well into the future. King has been around for a long time, I have multiple outlets to order parts from them, and plenty of documentation on how to do the work on my bench if I don’t want to pay someone to do it.
There are a number of shock companies that have made nice systems but become defunct here in the states.
I don’t know how big superior is in Australia, but by installing one of their systems here you are hoping you’ll be able to get those parts and have them serviced when the time comes. Preferably without shipping them back to Australia. Good shock shops here can probably figure it out.. but will the parts be available?
As for 35s.. keep in mind it isn’t just the lift that is the limit. Your KDSS arm limits tire size and width. I believe some Aussie 200s have standard sway bars and don’t deal with this limitation.
Having a set of Kings, I know the wait is an inconvenience but that is what I would hold out for. The quality, support, and customization is just amazing.
