Builds Red Line Landcruisers " The Tale of Two 80's" Build (1 Viewer)

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First things first there is nothing wrong with my Slee pan hard it has been perfect for its several years of use, however I have to do destructive testing on what we are bringing to market. Weighed both and they both landed at right around 11.5 lbs., only three things I notice different between them are different style bushing, fine thread adjustment, and a double jam nut (which I like the idea of).

I unscrewed the new one and buttered the threads with anti-seize (copper), used the panhard bolts as guides to set the length of the new one.




Since I have had several offline discussions about pan-hard bushings thought I would take an up close picture of our new offering.




Buttered the bolt shanks with anti-seize and torqued them to spec, after I was done I measured and it landed within a 32nd left to right. Side note for the next project is to clean up a few wires under the hood, if you look below the oil pan you can see where the knock sensor wire was routed...




Before removing the arms I marked line on both of them level with the ground. When the new radius arm bushings came in we chucked the bag into the freezer (they sat in there for about 4 days). Removed the old bushings cleaned the bores with brake clean and a scotch brite then dried it and pressed in the new cold bushings like butter (with a very thin layer of wheel bearing grease).
Installed new Toyota radius arm bushings aligned them with the previously marked horizontal lines to angle the dimples parallel to the ground at static ride height.




After the new bushings where set, used a flap disk (60 grit) to even up my original cut where the tie-rod swings. Its close but doesn’t seem to touch yet, just wanted some more room for the new bushings to deflect.




100 MM flange head M16X2.0 (slightly coarse compared to the factory 1.5 pitch), hardware that came with caster correction, and the original factory bolt…




I am playing around with the 100 mm bolt I found on Mcmaster Car, trying it first because it’s a flange head bolt and serrated flange head nut, but also because it gives me a bit more shank length in shear.




Chucked up the bolts in the lathe and took 3 threads off (should have taken 4), buttered the shank in anti-seize. These coarse thread bolts are capable of 230 lbs. dry; I put in a drop of blue Loctite and set them at 127 lbs. for now.




Unbolted the steering box flipped it out sideways , then used a 60 grit flapdisc (die grinder) on the pan hard mount, hit it with a red scotch brite then some brake clean, and finally dried it with compressed air.




Then Justin laid the heat to it!




Wire wheeled it all again then shot it with zinc self-etching primer…




Hit it with two coats, however right as the mist was settling on the second coat I started putting the box back in probably nicked it with my fingers a few times, but got the steering box bolts cleaned and twisted up to 105 lbs. with a drop of blue Loctite.

 
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Jay's 80 has owned this thread so far, with the Slinky suspension install. My 80 has the same stage 4 Intermediate 75mm kit. We are both using the same front and rear Slinky pan-hard rods, same caster set up, but different rear control arms. We also want to highlight Cruiseroutfitters and Georg/CruiserBrothers/TerrainTamer for fantastic cruiser parts and service. We all know with out these guys shipping us boxes of parts, we would not be able to keep our trucks on the road with out breaking the bank.
Our Slinky parts are expanding as we speak, so this thread will be showing the differences between parts used on both trucks as well. Before I dive into that, below is my 80 Build scope!


96 Black 80 A.K.A.
A little history on her.
  1. Low miles 136k
  2. Some goof decided to paint ghost flames on the hood and front doors
  3. Same goof hit an object on the right front and left front.
  4. Act of god hail storm gave her many non-wanted dents.
  5. Front axle needs full rebuild.
  6. EX down pipes split
  7. Sweet aftermarket tires and wheels (from the 90's era)
Build scope

  1. Un goof paint
  2. Un goof damaged front body parts
  3. PDR hail damage
  4. Rebuild both axles >Cruiser outfitters parts
  5. Upgrade brakes all around> Powerstop rear D/S rotors with EBC green Pads/US made D/S front rotors with pads/ Autocraft e-brake shoes
  6. Upgrade steering. Bud built rods with Cruiser outfitters 555 AFT Japan Tie rod end set> Eventually going to ram assist. New RMR rebuilt Box
  7. Upgrade axles>RCV front shaft set. Rear will have custom RCV's with drive slugs
  8. Upgrade wheel bearing hubs and slugs/ lock outs to 7/16 fine thread ARP shoulder bolts> Cruiser outfitters
  9. Slinky 75mm stage 4 Intermediate lift kit
  10. 37" Cooper STT Pro tires
  11. Upgrade interior components and add some "DOODADS"
  12. Full Red Line prototype armor package
  13. Slee Belly Pan
  14. Non US Headlight and grill update
  15. 5:29's with arb's until 6.0v8 goes in this fall
  16. On board air system
  17. Engine cooling and alt Upgrades> Cruiser Outfitters Blue Fan clutch hub!
  18. Come up winch
  19. Level 8 tracker pro wheels
  20. Tune up
  21. 6.0 v8/4l60e swap this fall
 
Last weekend I removed all damaged body parts, Fenders, hood, and rad support to make room for the Cruiser outfitters Aisin Blue fan cluch hub and the photoman Seq 150 amp alt bracket kit. Here I found that the belts are OEM. Old and cracked, so I'm going to keep them as spares for the trail.

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Part number for the blue hub from cruiser outfitters! I decided to not mod the fluid yet. I'm going to go down that road later. I ended up having my foreman Scott do the temp gauge mod to the cluster. I want to see what the sweep does and temp numbers for the upcoming moab trip. We discussed using a temp laser to find 150, 190 and 220 degree sweep marks on the cluster. I'll end up doing that before moab.

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Don't you just love the "while you're in there" scenario ??? :)

As you pull apart a rig, the longer you are in it... the more you find to replace.

But its not so bad after all, better to change it out now instead of it failing somewhere on a trail

in the middle of nowhere. Looks like you are in the middle of it all... so push past and make goal!!!

Don't worry about being a wuss for driving an 80... I've been one for over 15 years now...

You'll get used to it... LOL
 
Ok, now I want to thank Photoman for the bracket kit. It worked quite well. I will say that the only issue I had with the kit was the long stainless 8mm x 125 bolt for the adjuster is a crap shoot. Stainless bolt threads can gall even with anit-sieze. So I tried it, knowing it was going to piss me off. Ended up re-tapping the adjuster block and finding a late model 60,80 series factory re furbished flange head steel bolt in my shop re-furbished bolt bin. It worked perfect. I did the small pulley mod and the connector for the 03 seq. 150amp alt. I ended up having new bearings put in the alt. Photoman recommends doing a 2 ga. wire with a 150 amp fuse on the charge wire. Have not done that yet but, instead of the fuse idea, I went ahead and bought a bussmann 150 amp marine C.B. Will be installing that this week.

EATON's Bussmann Series 185150F-01-1 Circuit Breaker | Waytek

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Before I forget, New gates belts got installed as well as a new PS. resi return hose. It is a good idea to replace these while the alt is out. So much more room to work! Also for those who have done the alt swap with the radiator in…. I commend you!
 
Don't you just love the "while you're in there" scenario ??? :)

As you pull apart a rig, the longer you are in it... the more you find to replace.

But its not so bad after all, better to change it out now instead of it failing somewhere on a trail

in the middle of nowhere. Looks like you are in the middle of it all... so push past and make goal!!!

Don't worry about being a wuss for driving an 80... I've been one for over 15 years now...

You'll get used to it... LOL


Lol, I will indeed push until she is ready! It's funny to find over the years, what changes in your mind as "cool". She is growing on me. My dad had a moonglow 95, I actually bought it off of him for my wife when I had my first son. Then turned it into my first UTE. Now I am almost back to where I started…LOL
 
Removed the springs and shocks and took my 80 (on the bumps) up to a local exhaust shop...




Had them make the crossover go in-between the oil pan and the 3rd member at full bump. The picture isn’t the best quality but the exhaust is about .5” from the 3rd member and about 1.25" from the oil pan.





These are the older Rams horn manifolds that are only 2”, both banks collect to 2.5” on the driver side, and is a single exhaust the rest of the way out.




In addition to redoing the front crossover the exhaust shop put on a muffler that was a bit less noisy than the old Flowmaster… Going to go back to the exhaust shop for an additional hanger as it wiggles around just a little too much for my liking when the engine is cold.




Been doing a few small (time consuming) projects on the truck, wiring for the knock sensor had been wired down the wrong side of the block (driver side; wire crossed under the oil pan and then up to the knock sensor). If you look at the 3rd picture of post 81 you can see the knock sensor wire under the oil pan. The old pigtail for the knock sensor had been burned from multiple encounters with the exhaust. While working on replacing the knock sensor I pulled the starter to find power stud and solenoid stud with no threads left, so the starter was also replaced…

Cut the old knock sensor pigtail off then cut the knock sensor wire back about a foot to get back to good insulation, I then pulled the wire back out of the loom until it was right beside the starter solenoid wire. Bonded and loomed the two wires together and soldered on a new pigtail.





Pictured is the new starter; just to the right of it is the knock sensor. After the front exhaust crossover was changed the exhaust was extremely close to the knock sensor so I slid on some reflective heat shielding to help protect it…




In addition to the above pulled the valve covers off threw them in the parts washer let them ride around for about an hour, and then put on some new rubber gaskets. Then put in a new AC Delco ignition module along with a new cap, rotor, plugs (CR43TS), wires, and spark plug boot protection. (Rams Horn manifolds tend to burn the inner 4 plug wires otherwise…)




Replaced the Map sensor and the engine coolant temperature sender, and replaced all the plastic vacuum lines with the good cloth braided hose.




A lot of tuning on the TBI to get everything running proper again (set base idle, reset ignition timing, reset the IAC, and reset TPS voltage) have solid smooth idle at 750 RPM (550 RPM in gear), also the new juiced alternator got a smaller pulley so that it charges better at idle (13.1v).

 
Before I forget, New gates belts got installed as well as a new PS. resi return hose. It is a good idea to replace these while the alt is out. So much more room to work! Also for those who have done the alt swap with the radiator in…. I commend you!

FYI, Why not use Toyota belts? Toyota OEM belts for LC are sold in pairs for about $5, so under $3 each. Higher quality in my opinion and cheaper than Gates usually. A/C belt is like $15.
 
FYI, Why not use Toyota belts? Toyota OEM belts for LC are sold in pairs for about $5, so under $3 each. Higher quality in my opinion and cheaper than Gates usually. A/C belt is like $15.


Good point. I failed to order them in time, so I just had to order belts off the shelf at the local part store, to get everything put back together that same day…

Justin
 
Maybe i missed this. But while you have the front body work off do the oil pump gasket.
 
Installed a new Toyota throttle cable, had to cut the barrel off the end of the cable but got it re-attached and ready to go. The throttle action is a lot smoother than before, I wouldn’t say that the old throttle cable is sticky, however it didn’t move nearly as good as the new one… Also reset the pedal travel so that it has a very small amount of slack at idle, and WOT (wide open throttle) occurs just a bit before the pedal runs out of travel.




Took the truck back to the exhaust shop for some additional hangers, the exhaust flopped around so much that it would vibrate against the rear cross member. Shop installed 3 (5 total) additional hangers and moved the exhaust about an inch vertically above the rear cross member and tub… After I was satisfied with the exhaust, I wrapped it in Lava wrap to combat heat soak.




Also swapped the sagging and split hockey puck body lift with 1” UHMW pucks (and grade 8 hardware) from Roger Brown…




Snapped this pic at the shop after we closed up from a long day, thought it almost exhibited the “golden ratio” of cruisers…




Body guy plasti dipped my hood for practice, in the future it would need to be lightly sanded for prep as there is a small texture difference where the clear coat is completely gone. Having said that it looks a bit better than it did, and if need be I can peel it off...




Grabbed the smaller early front sway bar wire wheeled it, then bead blasted it, rubbed it down with acetone, then primed it with good Zinc self-etching primer, and finally shot it with semi-gloss tractor paint. Loaded the sway bar up with new Toyota bushings and sleeves, also installed LCP sway bar disconnect.






Drove the 80 home for the first time in several months, was a beautiful evening…




Swapped in a fan from an LS engine as we found the bolt pattern to be the same.

11 Blade 19"
5 Blade 19"





Lastly five tires showed up yesterday, this means its almost time to start mounting some rubber to bead-locks...

 
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Replaced the Tierod ends with joints from EMF, they are an FJ80 replacement joint. Assembly went very smoothly, I did coat the taper in the arm with anti-seize before assembly.



EMF Toyota FJ80 Tie Rod End


For the draglink I went with a short piece of 1.25” DOM tubing and some bungs from (Ballistic 7/8-18), tie-rod ends are high angle ends with a Chevy 1 ton taper. Had the pitman arm and steering arm machined to increase the taper to match the GM Size. Other than the opposite side needing a spacer (to shim the castle nut height) this rod end height sits perfectly with the pan-hard chassis side…

High-Angle Tie Rod End, Chevy 1 ton Taper, 4-10" Lift (Lower Draglink & Below Pitman Arm)




Had the knuckle steering arm tapered to fit the GM 1 ton end also, however I didn’t have the machinist run it deep enough. The tie-rod end sits too prominent of the bore so I finished the taper with a hand drill.




After about an hour of oiling and working the steering arm I had right at a 1/16” of taper left above the arm, once tightened it pulled the remaining taper flush with the top of the arm. I used a silver “Sharpy” mark to track how much it would draw in. I have 2” OD chunk of 4140 solid stock that I will cut down for a spacer to replace the washers below the arm. The first washer had to be tapered as the small side of the taper protrudes past the bottom of the arm by about 90 thou, washer thickness are as follows .120 (tapered), .111, .111, and .112 = .454 (steering arm spacer minimum height)…




Lateral shot of the draglink and pan-hard, height on this end is in decent alignment, however after measuring its height from ground it was about 3/8" low.




Lateral shot of the draglink axle side, height of the draglink in relation to the pan-hard is just a bit higher than factory. Tie-rod end of this size on this side is as low as I can make it, without making a new steering arm...




After measuring to the bottom of the frame and the amount of taper I could use I determined to sink it .250", another hour and some change later its done and I am oily... Also was playing around with some brand new GM 1 ton TREs (ES2027R, & L) and found out the boot fits these things perfectly...




Dropped off some 2" Solid Stock 4140 I have had for some other projects, spacer OAL will be which is just a fuzz taller than needed. The First 1/16 will be tapered to .686 as there is a small amount of taper through the bottom of the arm. Should be picking them up on the 1st...

OAL .467
OD 1.3
ID .627'ish



Draglink angle after lowering the knuckle side taper.




Draglink after sinking the pitman arm side...




Since I was curious about the angle difference between the panhard and draglink, I went and meassured Justin's 80. His draglink was hanging as we have been working on it a bunch for Moab, I dropped his new tie-rod into the steering arm and measured.

Charles in charge
Panhard angle: 6.9*
Draglink angle: 5.5*
Difference : 1.4*

Dickens
Panhard angle: 8.1*
Draglink angle: 6.4*
Difference : 1.7*
 
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Why not use the GM-size TRE's for the tie-rod as well? Wouldn't you want to run only one style of joint?
 
Why not use the GM-size TRE's for the tie-rod as well? Wouldn't you want to run only one style of joint?

I thought about it, however the tierod is a fairly simple load and low deflection, I already had a DOM Tie-rod that is tapped for an FJ80 rod end. If the tierod height changes even a little it will contact the bottom of the front diff or the top of the radius arm. Its a bolt in swap and I will keep two new tie-rod ends in my tool box.

The draglink warrants bigger rod ends with more misalignment since we bent the tie-rod end shank from articulation on the UTE. Thats why I chose to go with a bigger joint only on the drag link.
 
2” solid stock 4140 started out 18” long, have been whittling pieces off when specific projects arise.






Spacers are ground to .469 OAL, 1.3” OD, tapered to .695 for the first 1/16” of an inch, then bored to .630…




Photo of the spacer in action, sets the castle nut shoulder perfectly for the cotter key. Torqued to 67 Ft. lbs…




After the new tie-rod ends the steering still felt rather numb so I grabbed the steering linkage and was blown away at how floppy the rag joint was…




Also while pulling it all apart I found this gem, but in its defense it worked alright…




Installed the gasket to the black housing with a few dabs of RTV, once it had setup bolted it down. Slipped in the shaft seal, then a spacer that is .5625” long with a washer tacked to the top, Byrke steering shaft bearing and through bolted the entire thing with class 10.9 hardware.




Fresh Rag Joint installed.




Installed a fiber braded hose as the axle breather…

 
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Back to my project "Charles" After putting a new fan clutch in from Kurt and the 150amp alt mod, I had to finish up the front body parts and body lift. I ended up replacing the whole rad support, hood, both fenders, pass inner wheel well, pass front door, grill, headlight buckets and lower grill section. In the middle of that I had to finish mounting the rad to the support due to the body lift. I had ordered the 1" body lift from dozer. I ended up only using the steering shaft spacer and modifying the rad lowering brackets. I had to modify these and make sleeves so the nut supplied, would not crush the rubber deflection bushings from the OEM rad mount. Also ended up welding the studs into the bracket and grinding them smooth, so they would mount flush with the rad support.

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For the body lift, I ordered grade 8, 3/8 bolts and flange headed ny-lock nuts. I also ended up ordering plastic 1" pucks from summit instead of the aluminum supplied from the dozer kit.
 
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