Well I ordered calipers and brake lines came with them, I used the calipers didnt like the made in china dorman lines. couldnt get thru to slee so went with man a fre, Now that Im comparing the brake lines I noticed the man afres are half the diameter of the slee lines, the point of this thred is actually self evident. Its a forum for 80 owners to ask others thier opinions. and normally in a forum if someone dosent understand the thread the leave it to someone else that does. I apoligize for asking for asking which were better in others opinions. and just an FYI Im not an 80 expert. but I am a heating expert and braided lines always outperform stand alone rubber.