LX570 AHC height modifications (lift it!) (6 Viewers)

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Technically, to lift the LX570 via AHC correctly, should involve shimming the springs. When I say correctly, it’s to ensure that the new higher position still maintains the same payload capacity as the factory position. AHC on the 200-series has proved much more robust with more capacity than the 100-series, so most people don’t notice the drop off in payload. And there’s no easy torsion bar adjustment to dial in ideal neutral pressures.

It really wouldn’t be too hard to find spring spacers. The rear is easy peasy. I have 10mm ones in mine. 30 minute install. The front would be more tedious to remove the shock/spring, but still would be doable. No one’s tried, so we don’t know the dimensions of the needed front spacer. There’s likely compatible spacers readily available.

I have 10mm spacers on my rear, not because I lifted AHC. It’s because I’ve gone much higher loads than rated payload (~1350lbs). To 1800lbs towing 1000lb tongue weight, with 6 people on-board, so it was out of an abundance of caution, that I added shims to best support AHC.

In regards to lift, I didn’t bother. Comparing to older vehicles it's not really apples to apples. No old cruiser will handle and corner like a new 200-series, and would likely flip if they could generate the same cornering grip of the modern cruiser (e.g. moose test). I did a real lift via taller tires (33.2”) to lift everything including axles by ~1”. I drive my LX rather hard on roads, so I wanted to maintain excellent handling (including 305 section tires). Suspension lifts change the suspension angles, impacting toe control/roll resistance/everything. So it was important to me to keep it optimal. I offset the increase in COG with tire lift by adding 1" wheels spacers to add some track width and regain lateral stability. Besides, with AHC, I can lift when I want anyways. It’s been unstoppable on road, and off.
 
Technically, to lift the LX570 via AHC correctly, should involve shimming the springs. When I say correctly, it’s to ensure that the new higher position still maintains the same payload capacity as the factory position. AHC on the 200-series has proved much more robust with more capacity than the 100-series, so most people don’t notice the drop off in payload. And there’s no easy torsion bar adjustment to dial in ideal neutral pressures.

It really wouldn’t be too hard to find spring spacers. The rear is easy peasy. I have 10mm ones in mine. 30 minute install. The front would be more tedious to remove the shock/spring, but still would be doable. No one’s tried, so we don’t know the dimensions of the needed front spacer. There’s likely compatible spacers readily available.

I have 10mm spacers on my rear, not because I lifted AHC. It’s because I’ve gone much higher loads than rated payload (~1350lbs). To 1800lbs towing 1000lb tongue weight, with 6 people on-board, so it was out of an abundance of caution, that I added shims to best support AHC.

In regards to lift, I didn’t bother. Comparing to older vehicles it's not really apples to apples. No old cruiser will handle and corner like a new 200-series, and would likely flip if they could generate the same cornering grip of the modern cruiser (e.g. moose test). I did a real lift via taller tires (33.2”) to lift everything including axles by ~1”. I drive my LX rather hard on roads, so I wanted to maintain excellent handling (including 305 section tires). Suspension lifts change the suspension angles, impacting toe control/roll resistance/everything. So it was important to me to keep it optimal. I offset the increase in COG with tire lift by adding 1" wheels spacers to add some track width and regain lateral stability. Besides, with AHC, I can lift when I want anyways. It’s been unstoppable on road, and off.

The part # for the front spacer is
43136-60020 from Toyota and I just used a 1” (30mm, technically) coil spacer for the 80, 100, 200 rear coil on mine, replacing the coil bumpstop at the top with it.
 
The part # for the front spacer is
43136-60020 from Toyota and I just used a 1” (30mm, technically) coil spacer for the 80, 100, 200 rear coil on mine, replacing the coil bumpstop at the top with it.

So how much of a lift over stock did this setup end up netting? Any pics would be great also. How long have you run it this way? Thanks.
 
So how much of a lift over stock did this setup end up netting? Any pics would be great also. How long have you run it this way? Thanks.

No more height. The AHC sensors determine the height your LX will sit at. I adjusted my sensors (per this thread) and @TeCKis300 (or whoever mentioned this idea first) reasoning seemed valid to me so I ordered and installed these to get the pressures somewhere closer to stock with the system.

Just installed yesterday and bled the system. No real difference except maybe those associated with the AHC flush (slightly smoother ride, if it isn’t my imagination).
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^^^Whoa, nice! Is that front spacers I see? What did you use, and do they just slide in without taking the coilover apart?

You've just unlocked the magic payload upgrade to the LX570!.
 
^^^Whoa, nice! Is that front spacers I see? What did you use, and do they just slide in without taking the coilover apart?

You've just unlocked the magic payload upgrade to the LX570!.

Lol! I didn’t unlock anything. Just maybe the first to do it. I used the Toyota spacer part # I posted above. It’s kinda hiding above the shock inside that top mount in the photo. No, they don’t just slide in.

I wanted to do the AHC flush as recommended and figured since I’d have to disconnect the line from the top of the shock to install this spacer, I’d do this before the bleed.

Warning: the shock is difficult to reinstall being longer after the spacer goes in at the top. We disconnected the sway bar and also used a long pry bar to flex the suspension down enough.
 
So the spacer is compatible. Thanks for figuring that out!

Only concern would be that the added length doesn't cause the AHC shock to bottom out first. That the limiter is still the lower control arm bump stop. I suspect this should be fine as the AHC shock is very likely, exactly the same compressed length of the LC shock.

If it is all as I suspect, this mod would also likely increase droop travel? Ultimately increase the possible suspension stroke?

Good find either way!
 
So the spacer is compatible. Thanks for figuring that out!

Only concern would be that the added length doesn't cause the AHC shock to bottom out first. That the limiter is still the lower control arm bump stop. I suspect this should be fine as the AHC shock is very likely, exactly the same compressed length of the LC shock.

If it is all as I suspect, this mod would also likely increase droop travel? Ultimately increase the possible suspension stroke?

Good find either way!
So the spacer is compatible. Thanks for figuring that out!

Only concern would be that the added length doesn't cause the AHC shock to bottom out first. That the limiter is still the lower control arm bump stop. I suspect this should be fine as the AHC shock is very likely, exactly the same compressed length of the LC shock.

If it is all as I suspect, this mod would also likely increase droop travel? Ultimately increase the possible suspension stroke?

Good find either way!

That could be a concern. Here are a couple of previously posted photos of the spacers...

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I hope the small thickness of this is close to the amount needed to preload the coil & return the system to proper pressure but not too long to cause the shock to bottom out before the bump stop.

We won’t intentionally be jumping the truck & hopefully the mall parking lot won’t have any severe pot holes we don’t see ;)

I’ll let you know if this modification fails at any point.
 
I don't see how this will impact shock travel. If anything this would limit up travel. Since this is a strut spacer vs a spring preload spacer. You effectively made your shock/strut longer while keeping the travel length the same. This will have no impact on spring rate from how I see it. This also means that it will have no impact on ahc pressure. That is unless the ahc height sensor is returned to stock, then I guess it is preloading the spring, since it's more compressed than before.

So all this does is give you a lift the difficult way, and limits your compression possibly but gives more down travel.
 
This will definitely impact ahc pressure. Remember that you don't gain any height increase if you just install the spacer. You'd just reduce the pressure (more compressed spring). If he hadn't adjusted the sensor, there would be less pressure. Since he adjusted the sensor to get the lift, he should be closer to normal pressure.

I'm planning to do this as well. I bought the parts a few months ago but haven't had time to install them.
 
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MTKID,

Thank you for your help yesterday. I was able to finish both sides. Just needed a LONGER pry bar AND loosening (NOT removing) the sway bar bolts (17mm) that is on the frame. This allowed it to droop that much more and it was so much easier!
 
MTKID,

Thank you for your help yesterday. I was able to finish both sides. Just needed a LONGER pry bar AND loosening (NOT removing) the sway bar bolts (17mm) that is on the frame. This allowed it to droop that much more and it was so much easier!

Great! I’m glad you were able to add a few tips to this process for the next person too.
 
I got a wild hair to see how far up I could raise the suspension with only the sensors and I tried to make a small extension to adjust it further.

I started by tracing the existing bracket.

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Then I extended it further down on paper and cut it out.

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Then I made a couple of crude test brackets out of aluminum and attached them with the bolt at the highest point in the lower slot.

Hopping in and trying to activate HI would have it flashing & trying to raise into position but unsuccessfully indicating HI. It would say N but it wouldn’t drop back down. It would stay up higher than previous by about 1/2” to 5/8” but the display would say N, so it didn’t like it. Not sure if the safety limit is based on pressure or something else but this was a fail.

I may try another bracket bent back to allow the bolt to sit behind the bracket a little lower but not as low as test #1.

Fun tests.
 
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That is great - I have been thinking of doing the same thing but didn't get around to it yet.

Interesting.
 
why not create the bracket with the full slot and determine the furthest position empirically? I know the corners are independent, but did you do both fronts?

Did you baseline the AHC in Techstream first?

Love the research and great idea on tricking it for high point.
 
why not create the bracket with the full slot and determine the furthest position empirically? I know the corners are independent, but did you do both fronts?

Did you baseline the AHC in Techstream first?

Love the research and great idea on tricking it for high point.

Because the entire bracket is attached at the other end and has some more complicated shapes at the other end and I was trying to do it quickly so I left the bracket attached to the truck and only traced the end. If it did work well to slide it down just another 1/4” or so then maybe it would be worth it to take it off and trace it and do exactly that. Make a new one with the slot a little longer. The way I did it, I bolted two bolts through the stock upper slot to secure my test plate and attached the sensor bolt through the lower slot. It was the simplest way I could think of.

I did just do the fronts. I figured if it worked then I could easily do the rear sensors. And I did both fronts to make sure it wouldn’t fail because one side was higher than the other. On the other hand, I wonder if it could have failed because I didn’t do all of them at the same time. I suppose this is possible but I don’t think likely.

Nope. I still haven’t checked Techstream. Just playing around.
 
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Have just read through this whole thread, really interesting. Has anyone at this stage found a way to override or at least increase the speed at which the suspension will automatically reduce from H setting back to N?
 
Have just read through this whole thread, really interesting. Has anyone at this stage found a way to override or at least increase the speed at which the suspension will automatically reduce from H setting back to N?

Not that I’m aware of (although there was a solution for this for the 100 series LX’s from Slee). I would love to have this for our 570 too, although you would need to address the alignment for the common height you are driving at.
 

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