My post was about the GX, not the LC.I’ve only had the odd tiny drip off my 100. Never had another one leak, but I’m only at 39 years of driving
1958 trim is no moonroof from what I’ve seen. I’m not sure the wife will like that.
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It's hard to compare because it's not a normal car market. Until the discontinue was announce an LC200 was roughly $78k market price. Basically invoice plus $1k or so, but most dealers wouldn't stock one so you had to order/request and wait. Capstone Sequoias around me are pushing $100-110k with dealer adjustments. It seems like $10-15k ADM is common. That would probably be the same with a LC200/300 if it were being sold I think. I can't see that level of pricing lasting long term though. If a Sequoia is MSRP + $10k and 7% interest while a Tahoe is MSRP - $5k and 0.9% interest, it's pretty hard to justify the Sequoia unless you really need to have a Sequoia.
MSRP on the Sequoia TRD Pro in the USA is nearly the same as LC300 GR Sport in Japan. Not sure how to make a direct comparison, but a highlander MSRP in Japan is within $200 USD when converted from Yen to the same model in the USA. If the MSRP in both countries is roughly transferable, the Sequoia is slightly more expensive than the LC300. It probably should be given that it is niche model with low production volume and a hybrid so it has more costs to recover per unit vs the non-hybrid GR Sport LC300.
Possibly someone else has caught this...but anyone else notice on the test rigs that they are using several different mismatched tires on them? I've seen a few videos/stills that clearly show the passenger side tires very different than the driver sides. It also looks like the are intentionally mislabeled as Toyo Opencountry AT3 when they are definitely not (I run these on my truck so I'm pretty intimate with the tread pattern).
I recall Lexus posting a blurb that they worked with Toyo for over 4 years to develop a tire specifically for the 550...anyone else remember this?
I recall Lexus posting a blurb that they worked with Toyo for over 4 years to develop a tire specifically for the 550...anyone else remember this?
OEMs will often use a bespoke variant of an OTS tire model. So Lexus uses the Open Country AT3 on the Overtrail, but the compound and/or tread pattern are unique to Lexus vs the Open Country you can buy at Discount Tire.
Wow the new Prado is quite larger than the outgoing one. I’m honestly surprised Toyota went that direction as some people prefer the smaller size of the current one.
Meanwhile the lc300 is actually physically smaller inside than a lc200 and actually looks smaller outside even though it's almost the same size.
Who would have guessed eh!
I know alot of people liked the Prado over bigger LC due to size especially in Europe and many countries which eventually lead to it being the only LC sold in some countries.
The previous Prado must be very station wagon'ish as the new 250 is not big at all in person. It actually looked small next to the LX600 IMO.
I'm quite curious to compare the interior volume specification of the 300 and 250.
Im curious as well.
I think it might be smaller because It seems alot of the size is taken up by the body (big fenders etc) however I think second row and third row may be very close because the 300 is pretty tight inside in those areas and feels tighter than a 200 in that regard.
I go back and forth 200 vs 300 almost daily and the 200 is definitely more spacious inside. Not a deal breaker but it's definitely the first time an LC generation has gone back interior space wise since forever.
It's not that the 300 is narrower physically but the cabin trim/body proportions seem to eat up alot of the cabin space.
They also pushed the seating more rearward compared to the 200 which means less space behind the third row when it's up and less second row space.
They really are pushing the wheelbase to its limits.
3 row 300 also only can seat 7 vs 8 in previous LC ( not 8 adults but you could squeeze in an extra kid with the 200)
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The new GX and Prado will definitely be more spacious inside than the outgoing models.
Bigger in every dimension pretty much.
It'd be interesting to see a cross-section of each series wagon, by age, from 80 through 250, cut perpendicular just behind the rear doors.
The 80 had more interior volume but smaller exterior dimensions than the 200. This suggests lost volume to more space between the cabin and body panels; cross sections would reveal those trends, and how and why that space was used.
Of course, this inquiry would only cost five donor vehicles and one very large saws-all.
I haven't been able to sample a new one yet.
Looks like it won't be possible till it goes on sale next year.
Toyota isn't showing it around any place here like it is elsewhere.
Gonna be a long boring wait.
The dealers acknowledge the Prado is coming but we have not seen any GCC spec vehicles in any shows or events yet which is a shame because we usually get the most interesting trim level/odd ball mix of specs.
Middle Eastern vehicle debuts usually only happen when the vehicle is ready to be sold.
Remember the LC300 global launch? vehicle went on sale literally the same night I think or next day in the UAE.
I think the only time we ever had to wait was with the LX 600 debut which happened a few months earlier than its sale date.
With US/European and other global debuts though it seems normal to wait for months after a vehicle is unveiled before its ready for sale and then even more to actually be able to buy one if its a sought after model.
We had to wait months and in some cases 1/2 years after the LC300 went on sale to actually get one without markup but now they are readily available at the dealer and my local dealer is not taking orders for any vehicle they can't deliver in a 10 day window.
Looks like it won't be possible till it goes on sale next year.
Toyota isn't showing it around any place here like it is elsewhere.
Gonna be a long boring wait.
The dealers acknowledge the Prado is coming but we have not seen any GCC spec vehicles in any shows or events yet which is a shame because we usually get the most interesting trim level/odd ball mix of specs.
Middle Eastern vehicle debuts usually only happen when the vehicle is ready to be sold.
Remember the LC300 global launch? vehicle went on sale literally the same night I think or next day in the UAE.
I think the only time we ever had to wait was with the LX 600 debut which happened a few months earlier than its sale date.
With US/European and other global debuts though it seems normal to wait for months after a vehicle is unveiled before its ready for sale and then even more to actually be able to buy one if its a sought after model.
We had to wait months and in some cases 1/2 years after the LC300 went on sale to actually get one without markup but now they are readily available at the dealer and my local dealer is not taking orders for any vehicle they can't deliver in a 10 day window.
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Glad to hear the LC300 is readily available now. I hope that translates into plenty of GX/LC250s as they are pretty much the same builds at the same factory.
Yeah, I wish that it had stayed a bit smaller. It is apparently closer to 100/200 in size than the 150.
It may look not that big in person, but it is actually quite close to the 100/200 in overall width and length.
LC300/LX600 are assembled at the Toyota auto body Yoshiwara plant but the GX/LC250 will be assembled at Tahara as they currently are. I think some of the LC Prado/250 will also be assembled at the hino plant as the current LC prado is as well
They used to build some of the Toyota LC200s at the Tahara plant as well but they have never built any 300s at Tahara.
They seem to have made more capacity for LC production at Yoshiwara over the past few years by moving out LC79/bus production and leaving the factory pretty much for LC76/71/78/LC300/LX600. They moved the LC79 single/dual cab to a nearby factory (Toyota auto body Fujimatsu plant) and the Toyota coaster which was also produced at TAB Yoshiwara was moved to Gifu auto body a few years ago.
You have to remember the LC300 came out at peak chip shortage/covid and all that. Things hopefully calmed down now.
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