But at that point, you're introducing the gearing of a 6 speed to an 8 speed...w/out knowing the gearing and spacing, it's not useful imo.
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4runner get same mpg numbers between Limited, with the same torsen center diff and AWD, as the part time 4wd models. Slightly smaller tire on the limited
Also, don't forget the EPA changes how MPG are calculated periodically:
www.fueleconomy.gov
The 2017 change updates some of the calculations used to estimate fuel economy. The new calculations are based on test data from model year 2011–2016 vehicles. So, they better reflect today's vehicle fleet of more fuel-efficient vehicles and advanced technologies such as hybrids and turbocharged engines.
2017 Ratings Changes
Find out how EPA updated its methodology for estimating vehicle fuel economy.
www.fueleconomy.gov
The 2017 change updates some of the calculations used to estimate fuel economy. The new calculations are based on test data from model year 2011–2016 vehicles. So, they better reflect today's vehicle fleet of more fuel-efficient vehicles and advanced technologies such as hybrids and turbocharged engines.
I guess where I'm going with this is that MPG is important but it feels like it's becoming an obsessive sticking point composed of multiple factors (some transient) that makes it difficult to make an apples to apples comparison.
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I think the same is true between the Limited full time 4WD 4Runner and the part time trims.
Some folks who took delivery of a 4th Gen Taco, which has the same turbo-4, but without the hybrid, got 24 mpg on a highway run. That suggest that the LC 250 could do significantly better than the GX 550. Time will tell.
I would definitely transplant the LC 250 taillights to my GX.
It's not perfect. But I think it's pretty clear that the awd transfer case doesn't have much resistance. The ratios net of the final drive are 14.4 - 2.16 vs 13.4 - 2.02. Highway is nearly identical. The 8AT should be a bit better. I'm not sure why they keep both transmissions. The IS desperately needs a powertrain update. I had the first gen awd. Wonderful car. But it was supposed to get a Mazda I6 as an updated powerplant. Not sure if that's still in the works. A B58 might work nicely too.
Wait ,the Taco is out into costumers already? Wow I did not know. Thank you for sharing this. Those are very promising numbers then.
Wow. Yeah. I just quickly browse it... Man. Those are very promising numbers for the engine. Add the hybrid part for better in town and looks like will be good 
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Hey, anyone here has idea how long the expected life is / would be in the hybrid battery in the LC250 and potentially cost of replacement? I know it is way too early but was thinking about that the other day.
.Hey, anyone here has idea how long the expected life is / would be in the hybrid battery in the LC250 and potentially cost of replacement? I know it is way too early but was thinking about that the other day.
I was referring to a GX550 vs. a LC250, as the power differences aren't huge. The massive amount of torque of both relative to a 460 should, in theory, make towing much easier. I'm a proponent of towing with Toyota V8s, but you do have to rev them instead of cruise along at 1,700 rpm.
It's still all armchair quarterbacking more me though. As I've said many times before I'm far to cheap to buy one of these within the next decade. Will be regearing my GX to 4.56 instead to make towing with the cruise on possible. In the meantime, I had a blast taking it on the long morning commute today instead of Mrs. Rednexus' hybrid. Amazing how fun to drive a V8 is.
IIRC, the replacement cost for the Tundra (same battery) was $4k. Probably 8-10years or 150k miles.Wow. Yeah. I just quickly browse it... Man. Those are very promising numbers for the engine. Add the hybrid part for better in town and looks like will be good
Hey, anyone here has idea how long the expected life is / would be in the hybrid battery in the LC250 and potentially cost of replacement? I know it is way too early but was thinking about that the other day.
Not this again.
Well over 150,000 miles and a couple thousand dollars. This is a small battery pack that is easily accessible.
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Whew! Just got caught up. What a spirited thread. I’m so freaking excited for both platforms! While I’d bleed Toyota red if you cut me, I put my name on a gx550. I wish I could have both haha!
The details keep rolling in and it’s exciting to dive deep into the minutiae. I’m excited to see what the aftermarket does with the opportunities! @sleeoffroad are you guys sharpening your pencils yet!?
I’ve not been more excited for a new car in my life than I’ve been for the gx550 and the new Landcruiser. I’m going to throw some shade Kurt’s way, just because I’m jealous he’s gotten to drive the new Landcruiser and I haven’t haha… so rad!
And some oldies pics to stay in the spirit of the thread!
The details keep rolling in and it’s exciting to dive deep into the minutiae. I’m excited to see what the aftermarket does with the opportunities! @sleeoffroad are you guys sharpening your pencils yet!?
I’ve not been more excited for a new car in my life than I’ve been for the gx550 and the new Landcruiser. I’m going to throw some shade Kurt’s way, just because I’m jealous he’s gotten to drive the new Landcruiser and I haven’t haha… so rad!
And some oldies pics to stay in the spirit of the thread!
I'm loving the GX, that thing is styling inside and out, but that price tag is a little steep. Every year for the past few years they've been bumping up the base price a few %.
Inflation is a hell of a drug...though if you actually look at the data, car pricing has pretty closely followed the rate of inflation for the last 30 years. When you see that, and consider how much more (safety, economy, power, features, etc) you get in newer cars, they are actually a much better value for the price than they used to be.
The problem is that pay has generally not kept up with inflation or every other cost of living increase so comparative buying power feels so much lower today. I could realistically afford a new LC or GX, except that I first need to buy a new house that is objectively nicer than my current house and has a garage large enough to fit one of them. Every house for sale where I want to live is either trash or basically a million dollars so I am actually unable to buy a new car or a new house. This is a rapidly growing category of relatively high-earning households and is not sustainable or fun. Is 8:59am too early to crack a beer?
Exactly, and to add to that, at my workplace (and many of my friends) everyone's being handed extra responsibilities with little to no pay increases. More stress, more responsibilities, same pay. If this is the case, businesses should be operating more efficiently and since labor makes up the majority of a company's expenses, I'm wondering where all those inflationary costs are coming from?
It's the total opposite in my field. Fresh grads are now demanding (and getting) salaries that it took me almost a decade to get. While I've risen too, it can be frustrating when remembering how hard it was for me to even get a job offer in 2009 with a BS and MS in engineering and a near-perfect resume (and how little I made). My field has major talent/staff shortages in general that just didn't exist even 5 years ago.
I was supposed to graduate in 2009 but was being stupid and took longer to do that. I don't feel like I am a few years behind my peers career-wise because nobody could get a real job until 2011 anyway. The Great Recession job market was wild.
In 2007 when the market was hot, I decided to go to grad school instead. Crazy how different it was 2 years later. At the least, it makes me appreciate the "good times" of today.
