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Maybe you actually need to use airbags for your lift.
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Builds - Airbagged 80 series on 42 inches. Low cost Russian build thread
I wonder - what is the spring-rate at ride height? I suppose the spring rate would vary directly with ride height because of the air volume changing, but would be a fairly flat curve with height? That will have a direct effect on role stiffness and handling, as any spring change would.
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Alright..
So after some more research and reading back through all these posts. Looks like you are on the right track.
For Left Hand Drive Landcruisers
*Springs B goes on Driver side as they are 10mm taller*
*Spring A goes on Passenger Side*
Copy and Paste from Cruiser Outfitters. Also, Slee's guidence is the same.
A versus B OME Coil Springs:
Old Man Emu applies a label to each of their coil springs, so while the pair make up a kit (2850J for example), they often contain two slightly different leaf springs. In those applications (80 Series, 100 Series, FJ Cruiser Rear, etc.) the coil labels will have an A or a B appearing directly behind the coil part number. These A and B designations represent a slight free height difference of the coil and are intended to be utilized on a specific side of the vehicle to eliminate or reduce lean. In the case of US spec Cruisers and installations (Left-Hand-Drive) you will put the taller B coil on the drivers side of the vehicle (left side) and the slightly shorter A coil on the passenger side of the vehicle.
What should I do if my vehicle is leaning?
1. Allow it to settle. I know the idea of driving it (loaded heavy helps too) doesn't sound like a feasible option, but you would be surprised how much it will help. I've had rigs settle over an inch in a matter of several weeks and some actual wheeling on the springs. That being said if your initial difference is ~2", there is something we ought to address sooner than later. We recommend that you measure your vehicle before the OME suspension install and again immediately after so that we can gauge overall lift achieved and reference it for future needs. OME recommends a minimum of 6 months to all the springs to settle into their designed heights, obviously if your springs are netting less than the intended height we need to address it immediately. It is common for the front springs to settle far quicker than the rear due to the immediate weight over the front end and the fact the rears are often designed for additional loads (camping gear, trailers, roof rack load, etc) that often isn't present immediately following the lift install.
2. Use trim spacers or coil spacers to level the truck out. After your suspension has settled it is entirely possible and common to trim your vehicle. The process is rather inexpensive and extremely easy to do. Old Man Emu offers 5mm and 10mm coil packers (shown on your respective vehicles suspension page) that allow front to rear or left to right trimming. Additionally, we stock the SLEE Off-Road 1" coil spacer for the front of the 80 Series and for the rear of the 80, 100 and 200 Series Land Cruisers. Pricing and specs are shown on your respective vehicles suspension page.
3 .Consider swapping your coil springs side to side if your dealing with a side to side lean. If your low side is on the "A" spring side, consider swapping the coils. This has been done with satisfactory results, and it's easy enough to do.
Data collected from Old Man Emu Service Guide (October 2004/June 2006) & Cruiser Outfitters testing.
So after some more research and reading back through all these posts. Looks like you are on the right track.
For Left Hand Drive Landcruisers
*Springs B goes on Driver side as they are 10mm taller*
*Spring A goes on Passenger Side*
Copy and Paste from Cruiser Outfitters. Also, Slee's guidence is the same.
A versus B OME Coil Springs:
Old Man Emu applies a label to each of their coil springs, so while the pair make up a kit (2850J for example), they often contain two slightly different leaf springs. In those applications (80 Series, 100 Series, FJ Cruiser Rear, etc.) the coil labels will have an A or a B appearing directly behind the coil part number. These A and B designations represent a slight free height difference of the coil and are intended to be utilized on a specific side of the vehicle to eliminate or reduce lean. In the case of US spec Cruisers and installations (Left-Hand-Drive) you will put the taller B coil on the drivers side of the vehicle (left side) and the slightly shorter A coil on the passenger side of the vehicle.
What should I do if my vehicle is leaning?
1. Allow it to settle. I know the idea of driving it (loaded heavy helps too) doesn't sound like a feasible option, but you would be surprised how much it will help. I've had rigs settle over an inch in a matter of several weeks and some actual wheeling on the springs. That being said if your initial difference is ~2", there is something we ought to address sooner than later. We recommend that you measure your vehicle before the OME suspension install and again immediately after so that we can gauge overall lift achieved and reference it for future needs. OME recommends a minimum of 6 months to all the springs to settle into their designed heights, obviously if your springs are netting less than the intended height we need to address it immediately. It is common for the front springs to settle far quicker than the rear due to the immediate weight over the front end and the fact the rears are often designed for additional loads (camping gear, trailers, roof rack load, etc) that often isn't present immediately following the lift install.
2. Use trim spacers or coil spacers to level the truck out. After your suspension has settled it is entirely possible and common to trim your vehicle. The process is rather inexpensive and extremely easy to do. Old Man Emu offers 5mm and 10mm coil packers (shown on your respective vehicles suspension page) that allow front to rear or left to right trimming. Additionally, we stock the SLEE Off-Road 1" coil spacer for the front of the 80 Series and for the rear of the 80, 100 and 200 Series Land Cruisers. Pricing and specs are shown on your respective vehicles suspension page.
3 .Consider swapping your coil springs side to side if your dealing with a side to side lean. If your low side is on the "A" spring side, consider swapping the coils. This has been done with satisfactory results, and it's easy enough to do.
Data collected from Old Man Emu Service Guide (October 2004/June 2006) & Cruiser Outfitters testing.
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ppc
M Go Blue
@BILT4ME, The reason I flagged your first post is that you indicated that there is a difference between AUS and US vehicles. There is very little difference between the two when considering weight bias. The high weight components like the gas tank, exhaust, battery are located in the same position. The weakness in the ARB product offering and the instructions don't distinguish between model years and engine families. Spring packers are used to compensate for differences as a bandaid after the fact.
The problem is with the lame terminology used by ARB of DS/PS or A/B is ambiguous and ignorant. A much simpler set of instructions would have been right/left sides from the perspective of someone sitting inside the vehicle facing forward. That doesn't change for LHD/RHD. When you are driving down the road and take a right turn in the US or AUS you still turn in the same direction.
The problem is with the lame terminology used by ARB of DS/PS or A/B is ambiguous and ignorant. A much simpler set of instructions would have been right/left sides from the perspective of someone sitting inside the vehicle facing forward. That doesn't change for LHD/RHD. When you are driving down the road and take a right turn in the US or AUS you still turn in the same direction.
ppc
M Go Blue
Bro, there are no Walmart stores in Australia 
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Hello guys and sorry for the delay, its been a hell of a month and now i can get back to you. I have had the springs swapped an placed correctly and now they sit better. I can say that its been hell, but well, I cant do much more. The incline is less, yess, but I think I will let it settle like a few of you said and wait for results and then add spacers.
Measurements are now:
FRONT LEFT: 33.5 cm (13.19 IN)
FRONT RIGHT: 35 cm (13.78 IN)
REAR LEFTL 34 cm (13.40 IN)
REAR RIGHT: 37 cm (14.57 IN)
Front Dif (Left incline 1.5cm, .60 IN)
Rear Dif (Left incline 3cm, 1.57 IN)
With those measurements im more satisfied. In some time I will decide If I add a spacer in the left side.
I wanna thank everybody for your help and support. Not happy with the fact my car doesnt fit my garage and its going to waste outside in the equatorial sun...... I have to get that solved. I'll open an other polemic thread soon! LOL. Thank you all
PS: I celebrated the other day with a trip to COTOPAXI Volacano and fell in this swamp and got stuck for a while, never saw it was like thay... not easy task there!
Measurements are now:
FRONT LEFT: 33.5 cm (13.19 IN)
FRONT RIGHT: 35 cm (13.78 IN)
REAR LEFTL 34 cm (13.40 IN)
REAR RIGHT: 37 cm (14.57 IN)
Front Dif (Left incline 1.5cm, .60 IN)
Rear Dif (Left incline 3cm, 1.57 IN)
With those measurements im more satisfied. In some time I will decide If I add a spacer in the left side.
I wanna thank everybody for your help and support. Not happy with the fact my car doesnt fit my garage and its going to waste outside in the equatorial sun...... I have to get that solved. I'll open an other polemic thread soon! LOL. Thank you all
PS: I celebrated the other day with a trip to COTOPAXI Volacano and fell in this swamp and got stuck for a while, never saw it was like thay... not easy task there!
Good to hear. If you still need to get it in a garage you should consider an airbag setup.
Glad you got things figured out. Look into getting some we here in the states call a "sail". It is a canvas shade...
ToyotaDon
I am here
To fit in the garage, how hard would it be for you to pull your winch line under both axles to the hitch or rear recovery point and spool it in until low enough?
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Whats the airbag setup??
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I actually tried something similar with the ratchet tie downs, chasis to axel and started pulling it down. It was no easy, it was a messy odyssey which I hated and it lowered it just a bit. Maybe done right with welded points etc, it could be done, but just like that, no go... now, the winch thing, hmmm, not so easy as well in my point of view...
Air down and use some ratchet straps from the frame to axle. I bet you can get it in the garage that way.
Use 4 of the heavy duty ratchet straps, this would be a total PITA but it might work.
Unless you use it for daily driving. Than F that.
Use 4 of the heavy duty ratchet straps, this would be a total PITA but it might work.
Unless you use it for daily driving. Than F that.
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It's not an every day car, definitely, but when I tried this out, I thought, "Crap, am I gonna go through this EVERY freakin time I go out??" (3 times a month, maybe 4).
In short you would be replacing the coils with airbags so you could raise and lower the ride height whenever you want.
There is a guy somewhere on here that did it on his 80 in Canada and posted a video of him driving it in flood waters.
There is also the Russian guy who I mentioned previously who is doing airbags.
alia176
SILVER Star
Amigo,
I believe you were able to park your 80 inside your garage with the RTT up top before this spring lift. Which means, you have a lift of approximately 50-75mm total and now you can't park inside your garage. I think you have 285 75 16 size tires and if you deflate them close to flat, you might be able to lower your 80 series 50mm-65mm and that might be just enough to go inside. Please try my approach and let us know if it works. This is the simplest and perhaps the most practical way to store your 80 inside your garage. Ratchet strapping, winching under the axles,, air bags, etc are all too complicated and too expensive for solving a simple problem of getting your 80 inside your garage for security and protection from the sun.
If this works, perhaps purchase an air compressor for your garage or maybe you already have one installed in your engine bay? Most of us have OBA (on board air) solutions in our landcruisers for offroading where we need to air down our tires for a smoother ride. Do you air down your tires before you go wheeling? If you don't, try it and see how much more traction you have and also how much smoother your ride is on the rocks and stuff.
If this solution is something you think you want to try, you have few options. Some of us have a York air compressor (I have one) that is belt driven by the engine and can inflate your tires rather quickly. Others have an electric air compressor installed either in the engine bay or in the cargo area and they're also pretty fast. If you install an OBA solution, it will serve many purposes in your life, besides inflating your tires. You can inflate other kids' toys at the beach, like inner tubes, rafts, kayaks and all that for your friends and their children. You can use compressed air to blow the dirt away from your interior or whatever.
Whichever route you want to go either electric or belt driven air compressor, this can easily be done with your local resources without purchasing anything from United States. Search Ih8mud forums for compressed air solutions or OBA solutions to see many examples of how we go about doing this.
If you want to speak via WhatsApp, send me a PM and we'll work out the time zone difference. I want to help you solve this simple problem!!
I believe you were able to park your 80 inside your garage with the RTT up top before this spring lift. Which means, you have a lift of approximately 50-75mm total and now you can't park inside your garage. I think you have 285 75 16 size tires and if you deflate them close to flat, you might be able to lower your 80 series 50mm-65mm and that might be just enough to go inside. Please try my approach and let us know if it works. This is the simplest and perhaps the most practical way to store your 80 inside your garage. Ratchet strapping, winching under the axles,, air bags, etc are all too complicated and too expensive for solving a simple problem of getting your 80 inside your garage for security and protection from the sun.
If this works, perhaps purchase an air compressor for your garage or maybe you already have one installed in your engine bay? Most of us have OBA (on board air) solutions in our landcruisers for offroading where we need to air down our tires for a smoother ride. Do you air down your tires before you go wheeling? If you don't, try it and see how much more traction you have and also how much smoother your ride is on the rocks and stuff.
If this solution is something you think you want to try, you have few options. Some of us have a York air compressor (I have one) that is belt driven by the engine and can inflate your tires rather quickly. Others have an electric air compressor installed either in the engine bay or in the cargo area and they're also pretty fast. If you install an OBA solution, it will serve many purposes in your life, besides inflating your tires. You can inflate other kids' toys at the beach, like inner tubes, rafts, kayaks and all that for your friends and their children. You can use compressed air to blow the dirt away from your interior or whatever.
Whichever route you want to go either electric or belt driven air compressor, this can easily be done with your local resources without purchasing anything from United States. Search Ih8mud forums for compressed air solutions or OBA solutions to see many examples of how we go about doing this.
If you want to speak via WhatsApp, send me a PM and we'll work out the time zone difference. I want to help you solve this simple problem!!
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Wow! never seen those and it looks quite amazing! Unfortunately I have come to the limit of expenses for my Rig, and now I have to stick to what i have. Its been a nightmare with the freaking EIBACHs. But WOW!
@alia176 Thank you very much. This seems to be coming down to be the only solution. I have not considered anything yet, as I did not want to spend more money on a compressor, but I think Im going to have to start thinking of this. i had no idea of the options available to the possible choices.
Let me try to get to you via PM soon and we can talk. in the mean time, Ill have to see which compressor is the best for my 33" mickey thompson tires.... I have no clue yet what I could do, but I dont want to have the tire inflation deflation being a pain in the neck everytime, killing half of my trip having to inflate deflate 1 hour and loosing time.
Any suggestions welcome, to compressors, ideas, etc. Thank you!
There was a recent thread about airbag suspension, where a much cheaper alternative to the well-known brand(s) was mentioned. I tried to find it, but wasn't successful.
I understand you've exceeded your budget, but it's something you might research for next year.
Until then, you might consider building a carport, or getting a "pop-up garage" like this:
Or just the canopy version:
