Holley vs. Quadrajet ??

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I've got a 389 out of a Pontiac GTO that's set up for a Q-jet. But I've heard mixed opinions on Q-jets. So, I've thought about getting a Holley Truck Avenger 470 cfm and getting an adapter plate.

Thoughts? And if I go with Holley, does the adapter plate do anything to performance? and is the 470 cfm enough? or should I go with 670 or even 770 cfm?

I want to hear the PROS and CONS of both these carbs.
 
470 will not be enough CFM, I had the Truck Advenger (470 ) on my 350 could not get it to run right , sold it and got Elderbrock
Thunder series 600 with no regrets . Quadjet is good carb if it is set up right sort of hard to find and spendy I think . Good luck
 
Wouldn't the 470 be better for the low end? I hear QJs are super difficult to tune. Holleys on the other hand are pretty simple.
 
I had a 670 Truck Avenger on a 350 in my FJ40 with stock tranny, trans, 4.10 gears and 33" tires.

It made great power. If you want tire smokin' performance, this is it.

If you want low end crawling torque, or any semblance of economy, forget it.

The 670 Truck Avenger cannot be leaned out much more than one full jet size on the primaries. Going two jet sizes cause a lean condition during highway cruising, with intermittent backfiring through the carb. This carb was made for those who want performance and to hell with all other considerations.

The secondaries, as manufactured, are about ten - yes ten - jet sizes too large. Probably to compensate for the very low 5 hg power valve. I jetted mine down 8 sizes with no ill effect.

Fuel mileage was about 8 mpg. Period.

The 470 TA is a better choice for basically stock engines. Better lower end response. And it will feed plenty of fuel and air for most engines in the 300 to 400 cu in range, unless they have big valves, big ports and a big cam.

One problem I had was the secondaries were seldom used. The fuel would constantly boil in them. Eventually this cooked the fuel inlet needle. When I got on the gas, big stumble or even killed the engine because no fuel.

Was going to put a 470 on, but came across a deal on a nice Quadrajet off of an early 80's 350 Corvette. Low end torque and crawling is almost as good as a straight six. I can do 2nd gear starts. And crawl up moderate hills in second gear. There was no way to do that with the 670 TA. Yes, there is a big difference in performance. The QuadraJet only makes power when the secondaries really come on line. But hey, the low speed performance and 10 to 12 mpg makes up for that. That's a 20% to 50% increase, depending on conditions.

Keep in mind most engines are over-carbed. If you look at a realistic red line of 4000 rpm, you'll see the carbs are in the 400 to 550 cfm range in most cases for a mid size V8. Few people are out running a SBC at 5500 RPM in a 4x4.

As far as tuning a Q-Jet, all I did was adjust the idle speed and idle mixture. If you need help with jetting, rods, etc., you're pretty much on your own. That's one plus for the Holley, but the caveat is trying to make a silk purse out of a Truck Avenger. Again, they are NOT economy carbs. You'd be better off getting a simple smogger 600 cfm and putting the spring loaded off road needle and seats in it, and extending the fuel bowl vent stacks with fuel hose.

Another carb not mentioned is the 2-bbl Autolite 2100. These are dirt simple and uber reliable. They work at amazing angles stock. There are no secondaries to worry about. They're not fuel thirsty. They do come in different CFM ratings, so you have to look on line to see what markings on the carb body would be the one you want.
 
IMO adapter plates suck on dual plane manifolds unless you get the ones with 4 separate holes. The ones with the big hole make setting idle mixtures pretty interesting. I really like Q-jets and Holleys. Both are easy enough to tune Both can flood off-road. Seems to me that q-jets are a little easier to "clean out" when flooded whereas when I had a Holley flood it really flooded.:mad: A 600 cfm holley vacuum secondary should be enough for your needs However if you get the Q-jet for your engine you probably will not need to do more than set the mixture screws and drive it:steer: I would recommend an Electric choke on whatever you choose. Oh and buy a new carburetor so you won't have to deal with used carb gremlins.
 
ive never heard anyone say they have a holley that worked good offroad. i have a Q jet in my 45 and havent had a problem with it when wheeling or on road, it was tuned by a guy that knows Q jets though.
 
Quadrajet is best. It has a centrally located float bowl, and isn't as sensitive to vehicle inclination as most carbs are. The tiny primaries are very sensitive to airflow changes, meaning it will meter fuel well at low speed motor loads. Economy and power is good, too.
If you can't get a good core to rebuild or don't want the hassle, Summit used to sell Edelbrock re-man Q-jets. These aren't the AFB carb that has Edelbrock's name, it is a Q-jet. I have one and it works very well. At least for off-road, it is what I would do, rather than any Holley.
 
I like like my edelbrock carb on the road but it stumbles off camber, even with mods I've done to correct that. The next carb is going to be a quadrajet.
 
q jets are good carbs .they are not hard to tune up most older car mags had articles on them especially ones with gto articles or check out a gto website for info.
 
The question should be Qjet or fuel injection. Been running for ever. I've had to get into them every once & a while. Once you get used to them they are easy to work on them. I ussually set the float around 3/8" to 7/16" w/good results. I ussauly carry a rebuild kit in my tow truck. It's just cheap & easy insurance.

The secondaries are like another gear. A qjet can be tweeked to do anything you want them to do.
 
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+1 on the Q-Jet band wagon. I've been 4 wheelin' with one for nearly 30 years.

Closest thing to EFI without being there. Bad rap on them usually is coming from people that haven't taken the time to understand they are a little more sophisticated than your average Holley 4bbl fuel dump valve.

However, the early 80's computer controlled versions: :ban:Run away!

They are tunable. There are a couple of off road improvement tricks. One weakness, the throttle shaft on the primaries is usually in need of bushings on old ones.

All that being said.... I may be going to a TBI soon.:p
 
I picked up a Holley TA 470. If i don't like it, they said I can return it or exchange it. I'll try it out and let y'all know how it goes.
 
I have a Qjet on my 305. Works well and gets about 11mpg. Didn't take a lot of fiddling at all. I rebuilt it myself. Just have to make sure all the tiny passages are clear. Mine had plugged accelerator pump outputs so would stumble when accelerating. Cleared them with a twist tie wire and now it runs awesome.
 
I picked up a Holley TA 470. If i don't like it, they said I can return it or exchange it. I'll try it out and let y'all know how it goes.


That's funny. You read thru all the post, w/not 1 good word about holleys, & he buys 1. :hhmm: I hope you have good luck w/it.
 
Holley Truck Avenger 470 cfm

I have the Holley Truck Avenger 470 cfm and it works fine on my FJ 40 V8/283. Was running rich out of the box, but a few adjustments and it's fine. Good instructions for setting it up and really was a simple bolt on operation. Not too much tweaking.
 
The 470 may work out well for him. The 670 and 770 are too much carb for most SBC powered FJ40s.
 
I bought the Holley before I read any of the posts. I figured I would try it out since they said I can return it if I don't like it. I figure experiencing it first hand is best.

BTW: so far so good with the TA 470. It is a little rich but I haven't adjusted anything yet. No offroad use yet, but I'll keep it updated.
 
I have the Holley Truck Avenger 470 cfm and it works fine on my FJ 40 V8/283. Was running rich out of the box, but a few adjustments and it's fine. Good instructions for setting it up and really was a simple bolt on operation. Not too much tweaking.

What exactly did you do?
 

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