Hybrid deliver lots of low end torque, and emits less pollutants in stop/go city driving.
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Disappointing but not surprising. This sort of hybrid system is more about torque and power than mpg, based on what other Toyota truck hybrids have done.
Toyota is still advertising 27 mpg in Canada, where "fuel efficiency estimates were determined using approved Government of Canada/Transport Canada Test Methods." I expect Toyota's policy is to not publish fuel efficiency estimates in advance of a given market's official government rating, that they retracted 27 mpg in the US market for lack of an official EPA estimate, and that they will publish upon receiving those official estimates. I further expect that EPA's rating will be similar to Canada's, where Canada has updated its methodology for estimating fuel efficiency to be more similar to EPA's than it was historically.
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I don't understand all the hate for a drivetrain no one here has driven yet. Have any of you driven the new Tundra hybrid? Did you hate that? I'm very excited about the new LC-250. Maybe my perspective is coming from a FZJ80 and not a UZJ200?
I think a 27 mpg or so hybrid platform is brilliant. More torque, more efficiency, more payload-effective range, on-board power -- it's a long list of gains with no real downside, at least for remote touring and long-distance travel.
Edit: I've read that people who use Land Cruisers for heavy towing are disappointed, understandably I suppose -- but Toyota's towing SUV will be Sequoia going forward, and it's quite capable at that.
That’s very disappointing.
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We as American's have extremely high expectations of towing performance. I mean why should my truck even slow down on a steep grade when maxing out its capabilities right? Big three diesels have spoiled us. The electric motor should really help with the stop and go portion of towing. Probably not as much on the open road. My overland trailer is only 1400lbs dry and probably 2200 loaded. I feel confident I'm going to be happy.
Is that based on the Imperial gallon? Before going metric Canade's gallons were 5 quarts.
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For me it is highly dependant on the mpg. If it's actually 27 - that's huge. It makes it really compelling for me. But if it's 18-20 im not interested at all. I wouldn't seriously consider one.
The Sequoia/Tundra is the benchmark for how to make a vehicle worse with a hybrid. Both would be better without it. But that's mostly because it doesn't improve mpg or towing. And for me 0-60 times aren't worth the loss of space.
So, it'll totally depend on the mpg to me.
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If it‘s 18-20 that will change things for me also. But the fact they are still pushing 27 up north gives me hope for a 24-25mpg number on a USA window sticker. I’m planning this as my new daily driver. My 80 will remain my wheeling truck for some time.
I’d be happy with 24 mpg. My 200 has gotten 14.5 mpg overall over 70k miles.
Agreed, 24 mpg or so is my "why bother" hybrid cutoff too.
Even 20 mpg overall would be a ~30% improvement over 15 mpg. It’s a much bigger difference than going from 30 mpg to 35 mpg.
Yeah, but it's not 400hp. It's 325 for short periods and 270hp continuous. An updated 325hp NA v8 with a 10AT should easily return 20mpg. The T4 hybrid powertrain is a compromise that needs to provide some benefit in exchange for the high cost and relatively low power output. If not MPG - what's the benefit?
Current Sequoia is 19/22/20 for 4x4 trim with 437hp/580tq. Real world results are significantly lower based on fuelly data. Looking more like 17mpg average. What's more unusual is the variation in the data. Sequoia lifetime averages are as low as 12mpg for some 2023s and as high as 21mpg for some.
The 4Runner gets near 20mpg with 270hp and an ancient 5 speed. (4R 4x4 was EPA rated at 17/21 until 2017 and then 17/20, and now 16/19. I got around 21mpg average for the first 20k miles on mine when it was stock other than winch, armor, and tires. - not sure what changed to drop epa ratings.) I imagine the drivability of the turbo/hybrid is better. But it'll be pretty shocking if they can't significantly beat a very old platform and legacy engine with a modern hybrid.
For me - 20 isn't good enough for a 2024/25 midsize suv with 270/325hp. It might be for some buyers.
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Hopefully all will restrain from slandering the not so current positive vibes as ‘hate’.
Whatever the final MPG may be, the Toyota engineers have not been shy about admitting that the Hybrid is not about fuel efficiency or even power. It’s only there because of emissions standards, so there’s the benefit of saving mommy earth.
Whatever the final MPG may be, the Toyota engineers have not been shy about admitting that the Hybrid is not about fuel efficiency or even power. It’s only there because of emissions standards, so there’s the benefit of saving mommy earth.
I can't see how a hybrid will improve emissions if it isn't more fuel efficient.
have the Tacoma MPG numbers been officially released yet?
Nah. It wasn’t about efficiency, torque, or emissions standards…
…It’s a grand troll to force US Land Cruiser buyers into identifying as hybrid drivers.
…It’s a grand troll to force US Land Cruiser buyers into identifying as hybrid drivers.
