From 100 to 250? (1 Viewer)

[Rednexus]

With proper care of turbochargers....by giving them a chance to cool down, even if water cooled, and much more frequent oil changes than the owners manual calls for, they can have a very, very long life. Personally my vehicles get oil changes every 5k miles (1999 LC with 324K, 1993 LC with 270K before I swapped in a compound turbo'd 3.9 Isuzu diesel, pushing 34 lbs of boost, a 1984 2L Hilux that I custom made into an intercooled 2LT with nearly 300K and pushing low 20's for boost and a newer 6.7 Powerstroke) I have a few turbo vehicles in the family. Turbo failure is not even on my radar. With well over 1 million miles that I've put on my vehicles, I've never had a failure related to lubricated engine parts. Maintenance and proper care are key, but the average driver doesn't know or care and their vehicles will suffer failures as a result.

The OCI for a 2023 Tundra with the TTV6 is 10K, Of course they say 5K for dusty/dirty conditions. I'm betting most folks will change it at 10K regardless of how the truck is used and set these rigs up for long-term maintenance problems when they enter the used markets 5-10 years from now. Hopefully I'm wrong, and perhaps it's a non-issue for folks who buy one new and stay on top of the maintenance.

FWIW, we change the oil on our Hybrid Highlander every 5K. My GX also gets a 5K OCI despite a 7-quart pan, although it gets worked hard towing. The OCIs I use may be overkill but I would never go on a 10K OCI in any vehicle unless it sees nothing but easy highway driving. Oil and filters are cheap and easy to change on Toyotas.

10K OCIs in a turbo vehicle seems crazy to me but perhaps that's the new norm.

 

[Jetboy]

It's really hard to know on a hybrid how often the oil needs to be changed. It's possible for some drivers that the turbos almost never spool up and see very little heat. Others might be in the boost all the time. This is a case where Toyota engineers really need to provide a software solution with an oil monitor like other manufacturers do.

The best general guide based on evidence is to do oil change intervals by average MPG. If you start with 20mpg as a baseline and 10k oil changes for example - if you're getting 15mpg average, you'd reduce the interval by 25% and change at 7,500 miles. If you're towing regularly and getting 10mpg, you'd be changing at 5k miles. There was a study done by Cummins that found the mpg to be a good predictor of oil wear and life. And it was basically a linear relationship. That's how I've done it on my own junk. Ford used to publish a 3 factor oil change guide based on idle hours, miles, and fuel burn for fleet use. I think the result was pretty comparable.

But also with my Toyotas - nothing ever really wears out. So, it's probably all for peace of mind and makes no difference in real world longevity. You could probably change oil ever 50k miles and still be fine.

 

[Adam R]

My Superduty has an OCM and I get a lot of flak whenever OCI's are brought up on the Ford forums for a 6.7 diesel with 13 quarts of oil on board. For that vehicle I go 7,500 miles, but the haters blather on about how much money I'm wasting doing oil changes twice as often as necessary. Compared to what I spend on fuel, a few extra oil changes a year is literally a drop in the bucket. Besides, the OCM is nothing more than an "algorithm" designed by a company that does not want your vehicle to last "too long". If they lasted 300K+ on average, Ford wouldn't sell as many new trucks. Personally, I'll err on the side of too many oil changes as I do keep my vehicles, on average, for much longer than the average driver. I've had the 2LT for 28 years, the 100 series for 19 years, the 80 series for 14 years, my old TJ for 15 years, etc. The SD is the baby in the family at 4 years....

Also, just for the record, I came home today and my wife said her 100 series is making funny noises. The water pump took a crap and is wobbling around. Looks like I get to replace that this weekend. Interesting timing I guess. Off to Amazon to buy a water pump!

 

[Rednexus]

Off to Amazon to buy a water pump!

Buyer beware.

 

[Adam R]

Correction on my part. Looks like it's the fan bracket bearing, not the water pump. Yea, much easier fix.

 

[Pura Vida]

Tacoma hybrid engine. Same as the engine in the 250. I saw the Tacoma last month and snapped some pics

 

[Adam R]

I wonder if they will throw a cover over the engine for production models. Looks a little untidy w/o a cover.

 

[Brown98LC]

After owning the 300 for almost a year
(9 months to be specific) and doing almost 40,000km
I am sorry to say LC300 does not feel as solid as the LC200.
It is better to drive and daily. Sure.
I also don't doubt the mechanical engineering.

However I hear more rattles off road than 200s, I feel like I could never break a 200 but I definitely feel like I could relatively hurt a 300.
Not in the sense that it's mechanicals can't handle it, ofcourse not it as strong or stronger than a 200.
It is just a feeling how everything above the frame is put together (body + interior).

I also own a 2014 lx 570 which I drive back to back with the 300 so I definielty am not speaking out of nostalgia. i don't like how cumbersome the 200 LX drives but when I go off road on the rocky terrain and drive in rough areas, it feels super solid.

I am not sure if the 250 would be the same in comparison to the 200 but just an observation. Maybe someone else disagrees with me doesn't mean they are wrong or I am wrong. I experienced what I experienced.

 

[RND1]

As I said in one of my earlier posts, I will def miss the V8 sound in my 100. The sound of the 2.4L is so disappointing. Guess that's the price we have to pay to go from 13mpg to 27mpg.

 

[jwbc84]

As I said in one of my earlier posts, I will def miss the V8 sound in my 100. The sound of the 2.4L is so disappointing. Guess that's the price we have to pay to go from 13mpg to 27mpg.

I'll happily turn the radio up and drive past the gas stations.

 

[Rednexus]

As I said in one of my earlier posts, I will def miss the V8 sound in my 100. The sound of the 2.4L is so disappointing. Guess that's the price we have to pay to go from 13mpg to 27mpg.

Totally agree. My 2UZ-FE with headers and an exhaust makes if FUN to drive. Very enjoyable going stoplight to stoplight around town; I find the sound adds to the off-road experience as well.

 

[M1911]

As I said in one of my earlier posts, I will def miss the V8 sound in my 100. The sound of the 2.4L is so disappointing. Guess that's the price we have to pay to go from 13mpg to 27mpg.

It doesn't bother me as long as it doesn't get loud under load.

As I've said previously, I was disappointed when we replaced my wife's previous Mercedes C300 (which had a 3.0 V6) with a 2020 C300 which has a 2.0 turbo 4. But you know what? The turbo 4 is the better engine all around. It has signifcantly better torque, better fuel economy, and is quieter except if you floor it at high rpms.

So I'm willing to consider the turbo hybrid 4. I do like the 5.7, but the fuel economy is horrid.

 

[NTTD]

In terms of feel, the 100 has a heaviness to it that I love. No rattles after 20 yrs and 200k miles. It's fun driving it slow. If the 250 doesn't have the same heaviness, then I too will be disappointed and just have to find a used 200.

I own a 60 and an 80. I love my pigs but they're pigs.

I like driving my wife's '00 4Runner too, even though it doesn't have the "weight" of the other 2. It's our primary go-around-town because mileage.

You either love or hate barn doors — I hate them.

I like having a tailgate.

I wonder if they will throw a cover over the engine for production models. Looks a little untidy w/o a cover.

It looks like an engine bay.

I for one hate those plastic covers that get in the way of everything.

 

[M1911]

I like having a tailgate.

I had a 4Runner with a liftgate before. I'm fine with either the liftgate or the 200-style tailgate. The liftgate has the advantage that you can get closer to the vehicle when loading and unloading heavy things.

 

[NTTD]

I had a 4Runner with a liftgate before. I'm fine with either the liftgate or the 200-style tailgate. The liftgate has the advantage that you can get closer to the vehicle when loading and unloading heavy things.

Yeah. We've got that on the '00 4Runner.

It's fine but I find that a tailgate adds more utility. Also I find I can get closer to a tailgate with a heavy item because there's no bumper in the way.

 

[Jeremy556]

It looks like an engine bay.

I for one hate those plastic covers that get in the way of everything.

They are good for noise reduction, which will be important with an I4 clattering away. Hopefully they are able to mitigate the vibes and noise sufficiently from this engine, as that is my biggest reservation about buy one. IIRC, I saw mention somewhere of an active engine mount of some kind.

 

[Phillyd2]

They sell performance vehicles with performance engines that are supposed to feel, sound and drive like performance vehicles. This isn't one of them.

 

[CBeckFJ]

Considering a used LC 250 in a few years when I graduate college to replace the 100. Also on the consideration list are a 2024 SR Taco in manual form, Nissan Frontier, and the rumored 2025 Mini Land Cruiser.

 

[Pura Vida]

Considering a used LC 250 in a few years when I graduate college to replace the 100. Also on the consideration list are a 2024 SR Taco in manual form, Nissan Frontier, and the rumored 2025 Mini Land Cruiser.

I sat in the 24 Tacoma limited 4 door, and it was super super tight in the back seat, but the front 2 seats were pretty nice. Looks like a miniaturized version of the current tundra. They basically tried to shove more tech into the same sized vehicle. They should have made it slightly bigger or done better space management.

 

[Pura Vida]

Personally, out of the 3, the Land Cruiser 250 looks The most enticing out of the (new) 24 Tacoma SR vs a used 250 vs the Land Cruiser mini that we don’t know anything about

What I imagine in the Land Cruiser mini is a similar exterior size to a RAV4, but way less interior room because it is ladder frame. Similar to how the sequoia has way less interior space than a grand highlander or even a standard highlander