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[Jetboy]

Harder than it should be to find an image of the LC300 front OEM suspension. But this is pretty close to OEM.

The sway bar is pretty exposed and the shock lower mount is single sheer stuck that's unprotected. The Tacoma protects the shock with a bracket like the LC200 and moves the sway bar to the rear and mounts to the LCA on top near the back like the LC250. For playing the really rough stuff - the tacoma setup is the best of the group. I'm sure they'll all work pretty well. Just small differences that are more optimized for rocky technical terrain over the LC300 setup.

Here's the Tacoma version - it's high and tight on everything. But could still use some protection for the alignment cams. Those get chewed up fast if you play in the rocks very much.
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[Phillyd2]

Well the world has been demanding a peppy hybrid Land Cruiser that can run a microwave since.....well, never.

 

[Rednexus]

The aluminum steering knuckle also looks pretty beefy. Lots of off-road rigs have aluminum suspension components - I do not see that as a detraction at all and it saves weight. Bending a tie rod (inner or outer) sucks but is a pretty easy trail repair IMO.

I don't like the exposed sway bar end link and shock mount in the LC300 posted above and agree that they are begging to be hit. The 120/150 platforms are both better in that regard. I don't see either the 250/300/Taco suspensions being a radical departure from the same basic coilover IFS Toyota has used since the early aughts.

 

[Knowbuddy]

Harder than it should be to find an image of the LC300 front OEM suspension. But this is pretty close to OEM.
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The sway bar is pretty exposed and the shock lower mount is single sheer stuck that's unprotected. The Tacoma protects the shock with a bracket like the LC200 and moves the sway bar to the rear and mounts to the LCA on top near the back like the LC250. For playing the really rough stuff - the tacoma setup is the best of the group. I'm sure they'll all work pretty well. Just small differences that are more optimized for rocky technical terrain over the LC300 setup.

Here's the Tacoma version - it's high and tight on everything. But could still use some protection for the alignment cams. Those get chewed up fast if you play in the rocks very much.
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Thanks, I have been looking everywhere. Not a single picture from that angle that I could find.

 

[Jetboy]

Thanks, I have been looking everywhere. Not a single picture from that angle that I could find.

If I had one I'd take a picture. unobtainium for me. Not sure why it's so hard. Maybe just not searching in the right language to find them. I only speak English, American, and Australian.

 

[Knowbuddy]

If I had one I'd take a picture. unobtainium for me. Not sure why it's so hard. Maybe just not searching in the right language to find them. I only speak English, American, and Australian.

ah I am thinking of the wrong person. Sorry. Thanks for posting regardless.

 

[Land Caesar]

I would like to remind everyone that this is a preproduction Unit was well. It wasn't perfect by any means. The paint had orange peel and the body had its imperfections. What I can say is that this thing moves... No videos of it due to respecting the wishes of the Toyota reps but holy cow it had acceleration that I was not expecting.

What????

Am I misunderstanding… You have driven this 250?

 

[GTV]

Ah the 'No true Scotsman' argument.

Typically a sign that one's argument lacks merit.

Yeah dude, I get it. If Toyota decides to slap an LC badge on a Yaris then it must be one It’s their property to do whatever they choose with it.

As far as North American availability goes everything from the 60 to the 200 was extremely overbuilt for severe duty. As Chris Harris said, the underpinnings are practically commercial grade compared to everything else on the road (I’m paraphrasing).
Toyota is going to save some bucks by making all of their trucks and SUV’s on the same platform. That does not mean that all the components are the same and the vehicles therefore equal.

 

[Land Caesar]

Yeah dude, I get it. If Toyota decides to slap an LC badge on a Yaris then it must be one It’s their property to do whatever they choose with it.

As far as North American availability goes everything from the 60 to the 200 was extremely overbuilt for severe duty. As Chris Harris said, the underpinnings are practically commercial grade compared to everything else on the road (I’m paraphrasing).
Toyota is going to save some bucks by making all of their trucks and SUV’s on the same platform. That does not mean that all the components are the same and the vehicles therefore equal.

Perhaps we should see what the vehicle is like in person… before stating how “Under built” it is?!?!??

Hmmm?

As far as I think… We don’t have Landcruisers in Usa

They are all in Australia

Yet what we do have is pretty close.

The Gx460 is a Land Cruiser in my opinion and the new 250 looks like it outperforms it in every way. (Performance wise)

 

[Knowbuddy]

What????

Am I misunderstanding… You have driven this 250?

I haven’t personally driven it… but happened to be at a certain museum when a Toyota exec floored it in the parking lot.

 

[GTV]

Perhaps we should see what the vehicle is like in person… before stating how “Under built” it is?!?!??

Hmmm?

Some photos were posted on the previous page. It’s LC Lite.

The Gx460 is a Land Cruiser in my opinion and the new 250 looks like it outperforms it in every way. (Performance wise)

I’d certainly hope the 250 is superior to the 150 or else Toyota is doing something very wrong.

 

[Jetboy]

Yeah dude, I get it. If Toyota decides to slap an LC badge on a Yaris then it must be one It’s their property to do whatever they choose with it.

As far as North American availability goes everything from the 60 to the 200 was extremely overbuilt for severe duty. As Chris Harris said, the underpinnings are practically commercial grade compared to everything else on the road (I’m paraphrasing).
Toyota is going to save some bucks by making all of their trucks and SUV’s on the same platform. That does not mean that all the components are the same and the vehicles therefore equal.

I think it historically was true for current generation products. LC200 was significantly heavier running gear vs the J150. But the J150 is also more durable than LC100. Especially the front end components on the 4Runner - differential and axles where I see most LC100 trail failures. I don't see them happening in the 4Runner often or ever despite more power and big tires and a lot more of them on the trails. I think it's just a reflection of continuous improvements at each generation. The LC100 wasn't bad, just was improved on for the next generation. The LC250 appears to be comparable to LC200 and LC300 based on the current info.

In the case of the new LC250 vs LC300 - it's hard to tell from just pictures. Looks very similar visually. Until we see the parts catalog be populated and have the opportunity to compare, we won't really know.

As far as LC lite - what specific parts are you referring to that are lighter weight or strength?

 

[Land Caesar]

Some photos were posted on the previous page. It’s LC Lite.



I’d certainly hope the 250 is superior to the 150 or else Toyota is doing something very wrong.

Point is… that the Gx460
Is a Land Cruiser by “most” anyone’s standards.

And… It is a Lite Land Cruiser

You just stated the 250
Is better than that.

So…..

 

[Brown98LC]

Good point @Jetboy makes about the LC100. I owned several 100s and know the front end issues that can happen and if we can handle that and be happy, every other LC should be fine regardless of whatever designation Toyota gives it. If it left the factory with a Land Cruiser badge, it is going to be good enough.

We will find out all the specific differences between them soon enough. It just feels like this thing is taking so long for it to finally reach the market...
Local dealers here are saying we are looking at sometime in 2024 to actually see these on the lots for sale. Maybe the US is getting them earlier?

Just feels like by the time this thing is available and one is able to purchase it, might as well wait for the 2025 MY.

 

[GTV]

I think it historically was true for current generation products. LC200 was significantly heavier running gear vs the J150. But the J150 is also more durable than LC100. Especially the front end components on the 4Runner - differential and axles where I see most LC100 trail failures. I don't see them happening in the 4Runner often or ever despite more power and big tires and a lot more of them on the trails. I think it's just a reflection of continuous improvements at each generation. The LC100 wasn't bad, just was improved on for the next generation. The LC250 appears to be comparable to LC200 and LC300 based on the current info.

In the case of the new LC250 vs LC300 - it's hard to tell from just pictures. Looks very similar visually. Until we see the parts catalog be populated and have the opportunity to compare, we won't really know.

As far as LC lite - what specific parts are you referring to that are lighter weight or strength?

Then why is upgrading 4th & 5th gen T4R's to LC tie rod ends a thing?

#262

Is a Land Cruiser by “most” anyone’s standards.

And… It is a Lite Land Cruiser

You just stated the 250
Is better than that.

So…..

250 > 100 so it must be better.

I guess that makes me not most.

If it left the factory with a Land Cruiser badge, it is going to be good enough.

I have no doubt it will be good enough for the average American consumer. The previous generation LC's were something very special, this unfortunately is not.

 

[Knowbuddy]

Then why is upgrading 4th & 5th gen T4R's to LC tie rod ends a thing?

#262



250 > 100 so it must be better.

I guess that makes me not most.



I have no doubt it will be good enough for the average American consumer. The previous generation LC's were something very special, this unfortunately is not.

You are speculating though have you driven it ? Seen it ? Etc?

 

[GTV]

You are speculating though have you driven it ? Seen it ? Etc?

Nope. Couldn’t make it down to Cruiserfest last weekend, the fam was in town. The photos and commentary from the knowledgeable 100 series folks who did go speaks volumes to me. If that’s speculation then I’m guilty of it.

 

[Jetboy]

Then why is upgrading 4th & 5th gen T4R's to LC tie rod ends a thing?

It's not.

 

[GTV]

It's not.

Oh?

5th Gen 4Runner Heavy Duty Steering Tie Rods

Description: These are modified tie rods that improve performance compared to the stock tie rods. If you have oversized tires and/or lockers this is a solution to resist tie rod failure when crawling or climbing. Sold as a pair. The kit includes: Land Cruiser Inner and Outer Tie Rods Spacer for...

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[Jetboy]

Oh?

5th Gen 4Runner Heavy Duty Steering Tie Rods

Description: These are modified tie rods that improve performance compared to the stock tie rods. If you have oversized tires and/or lockers this is a solution to resist tie rod failure when crawling or climbing. Sold as a pair. The kit includes: Land Cruiser Inner and Outer Tie Rods Spacer for...

toyo-steering.com

No. It's not a common weak point and very few if any 5th Gen owners would do that swap. There's no reason to. People will market all sorts of useless mods to take advantage of ignorance. Look at all the "rated" tow points!

The only semi common steering upgrades are weld on spindle gussets and Tundra/lc200 steering rack for 37+ tires.

The 4R spindle is a nice upgrade over the lc100. The bolt on lower ball joint makes service and axle replacement really fast and easy on the trail - although it's super rare with the current cvs. Mine handled 34s through the Rubicon a few times. I was never able to break one even with a front locker. But I've seen a few 100s let go and it's a lot harder to swap on that front suspension. It's still well built. Just not as nice as the next generation.

The rear 9.5 is nice on the lc100 even if the 8.2 is also pretty bulletproof. The 8.2 is a huge upgrade over the older 8". Internally it's much stronger, probably stronger than the 60 series 9.5. But probably not as strong as the 100s 9.5. And the OEM skid plates are definitely better on the 100.