From 100 to 250? (3 Viewers)

[Surf123]

Just called one local dealer to place an order and he said they are taking deposits at $7500 over MSRP. Not this BS again...

No worries if you wait for them to be readily available. The last time LC sales crossed 5K was 2004 and it was downhill from there averaging 3K until the final year when it 3700. They were readily available in most any color when I bought my 2018 from a reasonably large dealer. If they are planning on 5K first run models then there will plenty to go around and if not Toyota will boost production if demand warrants it. If you are on a waitlist and being told MSRP or anything above you are overpaying for no reason. There is just no reason to do it other than some type of warped bragging rights.

 

[RND1]

No worries if you wait for them to be readily available. The last time LC sales crossed 5K was 2004 and it was downhill from there averaging 3K until the final year when it 3700. They were readily available in most any color when I bought my 2018 from a reasonably large dealer. If they are planning on 5K first run models then there will plenty to go around and if not Toyota will boost production if demand warrants it. If you are on a waitlist and being told MSRP or anything above you are overpaying for no reason. There is just no reason to do it other than some type of warped bragging rights.

You can't compare this LC 250 at $55K to the 100 series or 200 series which sold for $100K in today's dollars. Toyota sells about 10K 4 Runners per MONTH. Jeep sells 15K Wranglers per MONTH. Both are roughly at this price point.

Toyota will easily sell 5K per MONTH of the LC250.

 

[bjdm151]

'05 470. I have been thinking about downgrading to something else, mostly because of fuel economy. $5 a gallon is the new standard up here thanks to our wonderful governor. I'm not trying to pick one up right away, but will start taking a hard look once the dust settles. That fuel economy gets me a little excited.

 

[Patassa]

'05 470. I have been thinking about downgrading to something else, mostly because of fuel economy. $5 a gallon is the new standard up here thanks to our wonderful governor. I'm not trying to pick one up right away, but will start taking a hard look once the dust settles. That fuel economy gets me a little excited.

The math on this never really checks out though. Not buying the 250 gives you a $55,000 gas credit. (over simplified, but you get the point)

 

[Land Caesar]

So I’ve owned a nice 40, a nice 80 and a built beautiful 100. Sold each one as I upgraded. Then after the 100 I got a new Sienna Hybrid 4cyl.

Since having the Land cruisers, and Sienna I have a perspective of that new 250 that isn’t so negative.

In my opinion, It will be a very long time before electric vehicles are able to be the standard. To much need for gas and not enough infrastructure to sustain the car industry to make them.

In that mean time, gas prices will exceed our expectations I’m sure. $5 will eventually be the norm… or close to that.

So,The Lx 550 is great and even though a twin turbo 6cyl is awesome… the 17mph sucks!

I believe the 2024 toyota 250 “4runner” Land Cruiser is going to be a good Choice.

At first I was against it, then thought about it for a good bit of time.

Made in Japan, And Toyota has been making the hybrids for about a quarter of a century…. So I’m sure they made it correct.

Regardless… if you buy a 6cyl 4runner rite now and upgrade it with overland items, you likely will get 15mpg and be trail ready.

I’m sure the new 250 LC will be a better version of that and get around 20mpg if modded moderately. That’s pretty intriguing.

Ps
I highly doubt Toyota would badge something “Land Cruiser” that wouldn’t hold up to rugged terrain for the next twenty five years. Just need to buy a battery after 150k miles.

 

[Land Caesar]

Ps
Amazing how this 250 is regarded less than say a 100 series. Though its frame is “Better” or improved on, and the Increase in HP with more Torque as well.

Oh ya… it’s number of cylinders.

 

[Knowbuddy]

Ps
Amazing how this 250 is regarded less than say a 100 series. Though its frame is “Better” or improved on, and the Increase in HP with more Torque as well.

Oh ya… it’s number of cylinders.

More travel from the front suspension too

 

[Rednexus]

Ps
I highly doubt Toyota would badge something “Land Cruiser” that wouldn’t hold up to rugged terrain for the next twenty five years. Just need to buy a battery after 150k miles.

As long as the 4-cylinder turbo checks out, I'd wager that the lifecycle ownership costs are probably the same or less than a gasoline vehicle, even with a battery replacement. Hybrids are easier on brakes, have less frequent fluid changes, etc. Especially if compared to an older 100/120 that has a timing belt with a 100K service.

I am betting these will be tried/true by the time I'm ready to retire my GX in 5-10 years.

 

[TWILLY]

I am betting these will be tried/true by the time I'm ready to retire my GX in 5-10 years.

Yep. It's a Land Cruiser; it'll prove out.

 

[m4hk33]

I've been a very happy Hundy owner for the past 10 yrs. My rig is an '03 with 210k miles on it that I picked up in 2013 with 88k miles. It's been fantastic to own. I started searching for the face lifted 2016+ 200 a couple of years ago, but it was hard to swallow $70k + for a used rig that in many cases already had signs of corrosion living in the salt belt.

My rig was $63k in 2003 which is $104k in today's dollars (insane). So, the 250 at $55K - $65K is interesting. It's still a lot of money, but I never dreamed I would be able to buy a new LC.

Any other 100 owners considering taking the plunge on a 2024 LC?

On the way to HIH7:


Typical duty hauling the dogs to our favorite walks:

I dont have a 100, but IMO, I think jumping into a 2024 is largely going to be dependent on availability and pricing.

I think the form factor and projected MSPR works. I have some reservations about the power plant, BUT, can remain open minded about it. My main issue is that I am not sure if toyota will be able to keep up with demand and I think there is going to be a healthy ADM involved in the new LC.

 

[RND1]

I dont have a 100, but IMO, I think jumping into a 2024 is largely going to be dependent on availability and pricing.

I think the form factor and projected MSPR works. I have some reservations about the power plant, BUT, can remain open minded about it. My main issue is that I am not sure if toyota will be able to keep up with demand and I think there is going to be a healthy ADM involved in the new LC.

I think this will be true in 2024. If they end up building 10K/month hopefully supply and demand will equalize and it will be easier to get one without ADM in 2025. I have a 2024 Wrangler Willys V6 6sp manual on order so I figure worse case I can enjoy that for a couple years.

 

[joseywales]

You can't compare this LC 250 at $55K to the 100 series or 200 series which sold for $100K in today's dollars. Toyota sells about 10K 4 Runners per MONTH. Jeep sells 15K Wranglers per MONTH. Both are roughly at this price point.

Toyota will easily sell 5K per MONTH of the LC250.

I hope Toyota is somehow getting the info on how many people are going to their dealers and getting on wait lists for the 250 and ramp production accordingly. I was on a list for a ‘22 Bronco Wildtrak but bailed after 8 months and no end in sight. I was told another 8 months was likely the day I got them to refund my deposit.

We have been looking at G5 4Runners, but would move that over to a 250 if they are priced reasonably.

 

[Land Caesar]

I hope Toyota is somehow getting the info on how many people are going to their dealers and getting on wait lists for the 250 and ramp production accordingly. I was on a list for a ‘22 Bronco Wildtrak but bailed after 8 months and no end in sight. I was told another 8 months was likely the day I got them to refund my deposit.

We have been looking at G5 4Runners, but would move that over to a 250 if they are priced reasonably.

Waited 8 months in 2021 for my Sienna

It’s not like it was… so I’d imagine roll out should be streamlined pretty good now.

 

[joseywales]

Waited 8 months in 2021 for my Sienna

It’s not like it was… so I’d imagine roll out should be streamlined pretty good now.

Fingers crossed!

 

[Blackford Oakes]

...The 250 isn't the perfect LC by any stretch but it checks a ton of boxes, including the "buy a brand new cruiser" box. I'm hoping this is the last vehicle I buy until my daughter can drive.

This is how I feel too. Initially I was considering the new 4Runner, but to be able to buy a dream vehicle for a bit more is tempting.

You guys are precisely the customer Toyota is targeting for the new Prado. I think there will be enough people with this attitude to make it a success in the NA market.

Honest question, APIOQM: If the 250 was badged "Fortuner", "Surf"or any name other than Land Cruiser, would you call it your dream vehicle?

 

[Smitty512]

You guys are precisely the customer Toyota is targeting for the new Prado. I think there will be enough people with this attitude to make it a success in the NA market.

Honest question, APIOQM: If the 250 was badged "Fortuner", "Surf"or any name other than Land Cruiser, would you call it your dream vehicle?

Obviously not APIOQM, but I’d still buy it. I want a BOF Yota 4x4 that’s a wee bit bigger than a 4Runner.
And newer low mileage LC200’s are expensive. I’d rather spend that money on something new.
I’m not gonna cry about not getting a diesel because modern diesels in the US are a hot mess - we have one now and I’m going to ditch it as soon as my extended warranty is up.
I personally love turbos!
I want better fuel economy than what I get in my GX470.
I don’t need all the luxury stuff in the GX and LC200. All I want is rear locker and CarPlay.

 

[shane0mack]

You guys are precisely the customer Toyota is targeting for the new Prado. I think there will be enough people with this attitude to make it a success in the NA market.

Honest question, APIOQM: If the 250 was badged "Fortuner", "Surf"or any name other than Land Cruiser, would you call it your dream vehicle?

If it was priced appropriately, I'd consider it, especially a Surf/4Runner. I was actually really close to getting a TRD ORP before finding my 80. However, I'd be far less likely to buy -- I'd at least not be as excited in the pre-production phase as I am for this.

There's inherent build quality associated with the LC nameplate that you don't get with the Fortuner or Surf. Will the 250 meet the legendary expectations? Time will tell. I trust Toyota enough to not completely ruin the LC's reputation though.

 

[Land Caesar]

4Runners are built exceptionally well

 

[TWILLY]

You guys are precisely the customer Toyota is targeting for the new Prado. I think there will be enough people with this attitude to make it a success in the NA market.

Honest question, APIOQM: If the 250 was badged "Fortuner", "Surf"or any name other than Land Cruiser, would you call it your dream vehicle?

Good stuff.

Indeed, at the much-bemoaned peril of the 200 series' exclusivity and used price, Land Cruiser 250, or whatever it would be named, will be a huge success in the U.S. market. This is because, unlike the notably discontinued 200, Toyota listened and will finally build what most prospective U.S. Land Cruiser buyers actually want.

• It returns to Land Cruiser's utilitarian roots and core purpose, shedding the needles luxury, complexity, weight, cost, and overall bloat of 200 series
• It shares the 300's superior and more capable chassis, which was engineered to both improve upon the 200 and benchmark the 80 series' off-road performance
• It burns less gas with savings and improvements in operational costs and payload-efficient range
• It improves off-road and remote touring suitability with standard center and rear locks and narrower dimensions more closely resembling the 80's
• It returns to Land Cruiser's pre-luxury inflation-adjusted price and high value

Having driven Land Cruiser's my entire driving life, I welcome Toyota's swift retreat from three decades of Land Cruiser softening and gentrification. All data point to the 250 being the best overall remote touring wagon ever available in the U.S. market, which is Land Cruiser's longstanding core purpose.

I look forward to selling one of our 80s to make room for a poverty pack 1958.

 

[Land Caesar]

Good stuff.

Indeed, at the much-bemoaned peril of the 200 series' exclusivity and used price, Land Cruiser 250, or whatever it would be named, will be a huge success in the U.S. market. This is because, unlike the notably discontinued 200, Toyota listened and will finally build what most prospective U.S. Land Cruiser buyers actually want.

• It returns to Land Cruiser's utilitarian roots and core purpose, shedding the needles luxury, complexity, weight, cost, and overall bloat of 200 series
• It shares the 300's superior and more capable chassis, which was engineered to both improve upon the 200 and benchmark the 80 series' off-road performance
• It burns less gas with savings and improvements in operational costs and payload-efficient range
• It improves off-road and remote touring suitability with standard center and rear locks and narrower dimensions more closely resembling the 80's
• It returns to Land Cruiser's pre-luxury inflation-adjusted price and high value

Having driven Land Cruiser's my entire driving life, I welcome Toyota's swift retreat from three decades of Land Cruiser softening and gentrification. All data point to the 250 being the best overall remote touring wagon ever available in the U.S. market, which is Land Cruiser's longstanding core purpose.

I look forward to selling one of our 80s to make room for a poverty pack 1958.

How dare you speak highly of this new 250 Prado!

Something different, quality built Japan Suv…. From Toyota.

It’s gotta be 100% Junk!