Hellfires can actually be ordered with the ABS port relocated or hes still has some with the re-located ABS port. i know it is "possible" to retain ABS with the hellfire knucles though...or at least it was!
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ABS seems like a big deal lately.
I dont have ABS and Im cool without it and no one drives my 80 but every time its brought up the words lawyer and insurance come up. Anymore I tend to avoid discussing set ups that deletes ABS
oh i thought you asked if anyone knew of a way to keep ABS... if not than disregard my comment! but on a tangent i want to keep ABS for winter driving and because my girlfriend drives my 80 sometimes!ABS seems like a big deal lately.
Yeah everybody wants to sue somebody on MUD. I remember the thread about doing a SAS on a 100 - people talking about lawsuits because the guy was planning on showing how he did a SAS. Really? MUD I tell ya.
Anyway, if ABS is important you could always relocate it to the hub: http://www.marks4wd.com/part-time-4wd-conversion-kits-1/mfk2045.html
But you may need to get creative with the sensor bracket if using a high-steer arm
Anyway, if ABS is important you could always relocate it to the hub: http://www.marks4wd.com/part-time-4wd-conversion-kits-1/mfk2045.html
But you may need to get creative with the sensor bracket if using a high-steer arm
hmmm thats pretty slick!
Yeah everybody wants to sue somebody on MUD. I remember the thread about doing a SAS on a 100 - people talking about lawsuits because the guy was planning on showing how he did a SAS. Really? MUD I tell ya.
Anyway, if ABS is important you could always relocate it to the hub: http://www.marks4wd.com/part-time-4wd-conversion-kits-1/mfk2045.html
But you may need to get creative with the sensor bracket if using a high-steer arm
If you figure in the $$$$ go ^that route^ then hellfire is looking better. Yes Hellfire is costly but you get ABS and its a very nice beefy set up. Looking at your 80 I would not of thought the cost of cool stuff was an issue
If you figure in the $$$$ go ^that route^ then hellfire is looking better. Yes Hellfire is costly but you get ABS and its a very nice beefy set up. Looking at your 80 I would not of thought the cost of cool stuff was an issue
Yeah Hellfire would be a better option at that point. But I just deleted ABS and have no plans of going back. My truck? Heh it's all done on the cheap!
Since we're talking about flexing - how did you modify your control arms? I can see something different where the lower bushings are but can't tell what it is.
nukegoat
Should have bought a Jeep
I think there's several things going on that are contributing to most people's perception of bad road manners and not just one specific thing. I would guess that most people would say their rig has a sort of numb feeling (play/looseness in driver input) combined with a bit more of a jittery / nervous handling rig. The latter, IMO, is attributable to introducing oversteer in the suspension with the lift and the former was likely always there but made worse with other upgrades we don't consider (such as larger, fatter tires). Stuff I'd consider:
0) As mentioned, a roll axis that creates oversteer (also a function of downward sloping links and short rear uppers)
1) Fat tires on narrow rims / sidewall flex
2) Bushings everywhere that make steering inputs more numb
3) As I'm discovering - too much scrub radius caused by improper backspacing or the use of wheel spacers - braking tends to be more wandery and drifty
4) Insufficient caster in many cases
5) Worn steering components
6) etc etc etc
Booger is 100% right in that some of this stuff requires fab work that's beyond most people's level of interest.
What you are seeing on the lower bushing is the rubber screaming trying to exit the arm.
As I said in an above post flex comes at a price and nothing is happy and components are short lived when pushed. Use only OEM bushings never inferior aftermarket bushings if you plan to wheel. Both my arms and the bushings have been narrowed to eliminate binding at full flex. I also removed a bunch of material (and need to remove more) off the arms below the tie rod to avoid tie road to arm contact. Those little tweaks along with swaybar disconnected give you what you see almost 100% articulation of what the OME L shocks have to offer. Nothing near to what a 3-link can offer in terms of flex but drives like a stock 80.
Yeah everybody wants to sue somebody on MUD. I remember the thread about doing a SAS on a 100 - people talking about lawsuits because the guy was planning on showing how he did a SAS. Really? MUD I tell ya.
Anyway, if ABS is important you could always relocate it to the hub: http://www.marks4wd.com/part-time-4wd-conversion-kits-1/mfk2045.html
But you may need to get creative with the sensor bracket if using a high-steer arm
Nice! ABS is something I'd like to keep since it gets driven daily by my wife and it is also driven to the trails. Even with the 37s it has worked well enough to save our ass before.
to use that marks 4wd kit do you have to go part time?If you figure in the $$$$ go ^that route^ then hellfire is looking better. Yes Hellfire is costly but you get ABS and its a very nice beefy set up. Looking at your 80 I would not of thought the cost of cool stuff was an issue
Been using Marks part time kit for a while now
Been using Marks part time kit for a while now
i was just wondering in general if you had to be part time for that ABS sensor relocation or if you could do it while still retaining full-time!
Marks kit relocates where the ABS input is taken from so yes it would work with both full and p/t
I think in my case it's fab skill and suspension knowledge, not interest. I'd love to start cutting and fabbing new stuff but I just don't have the know-how. Just recently bought a welder, learning slowly on small projects. But it will be years before I'm confident enough to do any suspension work. That means having to pay somebody to do the work and have the truck sitting in a shop for weeks/months. Custom fab work is expensive no matter how you look at it.
In this hobby DIY is a necessity. Companies like Ruff Stuff make it easy with all their pre made brackets, but you still gotta be able to weld and have good knowledge of suspension geometry. I have neither so I'm stuck being a web wheeler. I'm awesome at fabrication inside my head just by looking at the truck. But I can't translate that into real world results.
What you are seeing on the lower bushing is the rubber screaming trying to exit the arm.
Ah nice. Never realized you'd done so much work to the stock arms. Have you considered moving the tie rod up front like I did? Relatively cheap and easy to do and makes things easier when you want more out of the 80's suspension.
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I must of missed that post ....I went to look for it and was overwhelmed with your 1000 post build
Time to break your build down in section or maybe an index to make it easier to find your stuff
Link?
For the most part Im done (famous last words) with my suspension and it works good enough for the limits I put on my 80 these days.
I must of missed that post ....I went to look for it and was overwhelmed with your 1000 post build
Time to break your build down in section or maybe an index to make it easier to find your stuff
Link?
For the most part Im done (famous last words) with my suspension and it works good enough for the limits I put on my 80 these days.
An index is a good idea
I actually put the steering in a separate thread too https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/a-real-steering-upgrade-y-link-1-ton-tres.789898/
And that's all you have to add?
It'd beyond level of interest, it's more level of skill, and Booger lives in a glass house.
Have you ever seen his nasty welds?
In all seriousness, it's a major structural component of a 6k missile with bus load of nunnage killing capacity.
I don't fault those that may have reservations.
NCFJ
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I am right there with you Chris. There are plenty of folks out there doing suspension work that is beyond their skill set. Taking your own life in your hands is fine, putting the rest of us in possible danger out on the street with them is not.
