Cybertruck or 200 Series Land Cruiser?

[NYC570]

I agree that the Hummer is kind of a heinous vehicle. but:

Real world the Hummer performs better than the CT best I can tell. Its not as fast but that's because of the massive weight differential from the 212 kwh battery pack. You watch videos of the CT offroad and it rides like a pile ogf crap with the air suspension on high, the one foot driving is crappy and will just start rolling randomly down hill, the traction control sucks, the motors get hot after only some mild obstacles. The hummers, on the other hand, seems to be extremely well sorted. The suspension and pretty much everything else seems to be superior if you arnt just look at paper numbers.

I also dont understand why you would say the hummer is a joke when it, and the Silverado EV with the same/similar battery pack, are the only ones that even have something close to a reasonable towing range. Throwing a huge battery pack is the only way to make these trucks functional at this point. The battery tech and charging infrastructure is not at the point where you can argue otherwise. Silverado EV's are getting 450-500 miles of range unloaded. How else do you do that at this point beside throwing a 200 kwh battery at it?

But you're kinda making my point. These trucks are dumb, at least for the purposes of being a truck. Im not saying I would buy a hummer, just that if I had to pick a $100k+ EV right now, thats it.

I'm not a fan of the CT at all, but to be fair, the hummer wasn't this well sorted out when it was released.

 

[greynolds]

I'm not a fan of the CT at all, but to be fair, the hummer wasn't this well sorted out when it was released.

To be fair, Tesla has a lot more experience making EV's and should be expected to have the basic stuff pretty well sorted out when first releasing a new vehicle. The accelerator pedal sticking issue is something I just shook my head at; I'm just glad there don't seem to have been any serious accidents.

At the same time, GM has been making vehicles for a while now and should be able to have things pretty well sorted at launch as well.

I also find it extremely amusing to be describing other vehicles as heinous in a thread about the CT.

 

[TeCKis300]

I agree that the Hummer is kind of a heinous vehicle. but:

Real world the Hummer performs better than the CT best I can tell. Its not as fast but that's because of the massive weight differential from the 212 kwh battery pack. You watch videos of the CT offroad and it rides like a pile ogf crap with the air suspension on high, the one foot driving is crappy and will just start rolling randomly down hill, the traction control sucks, the motors get hot after only some mild obstacles. The hummers, on the other hand, seems to be extremely well sorted. The suspension and pretty much everything else seems to be superior if you arnt just look at paper numbers.

I also dont understand why you would say the hummer is a joke when it, and the Silverado EV with the same/similar battery pack, are the only ones that even have something close to a reasonable towing range. Throwing a huge battery pack is the only way to make these trucks functional at this point. The battery tech and charging infrastructure is not at the point where you can argue otherwise. Silverado EV's are getting 450-500 miles of range unloaded. How else do you do that at this point beside throwing a 200 kwh battery at it?

But you're kinda making my point. These trucks are dumb, at least for the purposes of being a truck. Im not saying I would buy a hummer, just that if I had to pick a $100k+ EV right now, thats it.

The CT hasn't demonstrated its potential yet. To your earlier point, this part has been delivered unbaked. The SW update that brings additional modes and enabling of hardware lockers was just pushed out and none of the videos on social media have really reviewed it in that capacity yet. My friends CT that I drove just got the update a couple weeks ago so I'm sure we'll be seeing more capability soon.

I do agree and hesitate to make this my future off-roader as there are specific limitations such as breakover due wheelbase. This is an area were the Hummer is definitely better. Then again, weight is not a small factor too. For off-roading reasons, and towing, my 200-series is staying awhile.

The Rivians are something else off-road having wheeled with them. The R1S may have the best dimensions and qualities if technical off-roading where the priority. Buddy jumped his so hard in the dunes that he ripped off a fender liner.

 

[coleAK]

I agree that the Hummer is kind of a heinous vehicle. but:

Real world the Hummer performs better than the CT best I can tell. Its not as fast but that's because of the massive weight differential from the 212 kwh battery pack. You watch videos of the CT offroad and it rides like a pile ogf crap with the air suspension on high, the one foot driving is crappy and will just start rolling randomly down hill, the traction control sucks, the motors get hot after only some mild obstacles. The hummers, on the other hand, seems to be extremely well sorted. The suspension and pretty much everything else seems to be superior if you arnt just look at paper numbers.

I also dont understand why you would say the hummer is a joke when it, and the Silverado EV with the same/similar battery pack, are the only ones that even have something close to a reasonable towing range. Throwing a huge battery pack is the only way to make these trucks functional at this point. The battery tech and charging infrastructure is not at the point where you can argue otherwise. Silverado EV's are getting 450-500 miles of range unloaded. How else do you do that at this point beside throwing a 200 kwh battery at it?

But you're kinda making my point. These trucks are dumb, at least for the purposes of being a truck. Im not saying I would buy a hummer, just that if I had to pick a $100k+ EV right now, thats it.

A group did a EV convoy summer before last up the Dalton from Fairbanks to dead horse. There were 2 Rivian, 2 lightnings, a mix of teslas S, X and a few Ys and 3’s, and a hummer. Not surprising Every Tesla had a flat.

My buddy that worked for ConocoPhillips at the time (now works for Tesla) lead the set up (and take down) of the DC charging stations at pipeline pump stations. He owns a lightning and drove it. He absolutely raved about the hummer, said it was the only legitimate off roader of the trucks.

If I had $100k that I had to spend on a EV truck the hummer would be the one I would choose.

 

[skrypj]

I'm not a fan of the CT at all, but to be fair, the hummer wasn't this well sorted out when it was released.

GM has only dabble in EV with cars like the Bolt and Volt. The Hummer was

To be fair, Tesla has a lot more experience making EV's and should be expected to have the basic stuff pretty well sorted out when first releasing a new vehicle. The accelerator pedal sticking issue is something I just shook my head at; I'm just glad there don't seem to have been any serious accidents.

At the same time, GM has been making vehicles for a while now and should be able to have things pretty well sorted at launch as well.

I also find it extremely amusing to be describing other vehicles as heinous in a thread about the CT.

By heinous I mean that its just a savage vehicle in every possible way. the whole EV movement seems to be largely driven by the environmental reasons but the Hummer goes against that in every possible way. A 9000 lb truck, with the aerodynamics of a literal brick, with either 35's or 37's from the factory.

Its like me going out an buying an F450 and daily driving it with no need to tow or haul anything substantial.

 

[Valgrind]

The environmental reasons are a load of crap anyways. Makes zero difference when our power isn't renewable in the first place.

 

[greynolds]

The environmental reasons are a load of crap anyways. Makes zero difference when our power isn't renewable in the first place.

Sure, it depends on how the electricity is sourced. But there ARE green ways to generate electricity and I don't think anybody is expecting everything to go green overnight. EV's are just part of a bigger change that realistically needs to happen.

 

[Valgrind]

Sure, it depends on how the electricity is sourced. But there ARE green ways to generate electricity and I don't think anybody is expecting everything to go green overnight. EV's are just part of a bigger change that realistically needs to happen.

arguably, bio fuels are a better solution than electric cars.

 

[bloc]

We probably need to avoid veering into that debate if we want to keep the thread in this forum section.

 

[TeCKis300]

I think it should be said, these new fangled generation of truck EVs are performing at an incredible level. It's easy to criticize and dismiss, especially with growing pains. But they are now at a performance level well beyond a stock 200-series. When they come factory with 34-35+ tires, giant lift on demand, lockers and/or individual wheel modulation, etc... It's not for everyone yet, but they're making serious inroads with every generation.

The next gen LCs doesn't look to push outright capability. Hopefully they will continue to bear the the torch of steadfast durability and reliability. Even that is being challenged.

 

[NYC570]

GM has only dabble in EV with cars like the Bolt and Volt. The Hummer was

Many of the problems it had weren't related to being an EV. My point was that like the CT, the hummer is a completely new platform and had issues that have been iron out, so it isn't really fair to compare it to the CT. I Expect the CT to improve with time just like the hummer. Both, Tesla and GM are known for less than stellar built quality,. The bar is even lower with a newly released product.

 

[greynolds]

Both, Tesla and GM are known for less than stellar built quality,. The bar is even lower with a newly released product.

What's sad is that the bar SHOULD be higher for a newly released product. These companies should be learning from past mistakes, but unfortunately some of them never do (Tesla and GM being just 2 examples - Land Rover would be another one). That whole thing about "don't let history repeat itself" seems lost on a lot of manufacturers and it often costs them a lot of money. Having to release software updates is one thing, but recalling vehicles and retrofitting fixes (the sticking accelerator, for example) isn't cheap. And it's not like Tesla had to release the CT on a specific date to beat the competition to the punch as, love it or hate it, there truly is NOTHING quite like the CT available from any other manufacturer.

 

[nwfl4runner]

The CT hasn't demonstrated its potential yet. To your earlier point, this part has been delivered unbaked. The SW update that brings additional modes and enabling of hardware lockers was just pushed out and none of the videos on social media have really reviewed it in that capacity yet. My friends CT that I drove just got the update a couple weeks ago so I'm sure we'll be seeing more capability soon.

I do agree and hesitate to make this my future off-roader as there are specific limitations such as breakover due wheelbase. This is an area were the Hummer is definitely better. Then again, weight is not a small factor too. For off-roading reasons, and towing, my 200-series is staying awhile.

The Rivians are something else off-road having wheeled with them. The R1S may have the best dimensions and qualities if technical off-roading where the priority. Buddy jumped his so hard in the dunes that he ripped off a fender liner.

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What turned me off the CT is its huge amount of somewhat disappointing travel. A 420 RTI with 12-14" of travel just seems odd? Also, honestly wondering how the shock towers on the Rivian look - I always get a little worried on these heavy trucks when they get jumped, but that might just be the paranoia from 3rd gen 4runners/1st gen tacomas because those shock towers often crack.

 

[greynolds]

What turned me off the CT is its huge amount of somewhat disappointing travel. A 420 RTI with 12-14" of travel just seems odd? Also, honestly wondering how the shock towers on the Rivian look - I always get a little worried on these heavy trucks when they get jumped, but that might just be the paranoia from 3rd gen 4runners/1st gen tacomas because those shock towers often crack.

As others have said, it's quite possible some of the offroad capabilities will change on the CT with software updates. Who knows what capability may be lurking there that can be unlocked with an update? Tesla obviously had to balance how much negative press, which is hard to reverse after the fact, there would be from releasing an incomplete product vs how desperately they wanted to start selling them and having some cash come in.

 

[nwfl4runner]

As others have said, it's quite possible some of the offroad capabilities will change on the CT with software updates. Who knows what capability may be lurking there that can be unlocked with an update? Tesla obviously had to balance how much negative press, which is hard to reverse after the fact, there would be from releasing an incomplete product vs how desperately they wanted to start selling them and having some cash come in.

I'd wonder, though, what software update could do to increase flex on a suspension system that has to support a fairly significant amount of weight on a 4 corner IFS rig. I don't doubt the lockers and a-trac equivalent systems will be cool, but i think the lack of flex is a killer if we're talking offroading.

 

[DIRTBIKEUSA]

Cyber truck is uggo, bro.

No where near as good looking as a Toyota.

 

[coleAK]

I don’t think I mentioned it above but when I drove the CT the other thing that made me turn down ordering the truck was the lack of storage/cargo capacity. The truck aspects of it I thought were very Unpractical.

The non flat roof and lack of anchor points pretty much eliminates the ability for a roof rack, I know Tesla has rails but they are pretty pathetic for a truck. I can deal with poorly designed cross bars on my Model 3 but the truck was a no go. Then combined with a small, high sided impractical bed…

Now I can’t carry my canoe, more then 2 or 3 pairs of skis, speed skis at all, RTT, dip nets…. In a full sized truck.

 

[LX4x4]

The most recent Hoovie's Garage episode had a small teardown of the frunk area of the CT and the windshield wiper fluid from the wiper exits was draining into the area behind the frunk. They didn't do a lot of investigation, but definitely brings up the question of what happens when it rains. There was also a bolt that wasn't bolted down all the way when they were taking it apart. They suspected it was strippped going in and locked down about a quarter inch before seating on the washer properly. Also, there were terminated wires not bolted to anything shoved into a body panel. And the mechanic went to remove what they thought was the cabin filter and broke all the tabs as soon as they touched them. Admittedly, they may have been doing something wrong.

It's an impressive number of issues, considering it's the only part they took apart. I suspect it's possible they sabotaged it for clicks...but who knows.

I think it shows it is the exact opposite of LC200 quality. I think they should test things like windshield sprayer in QC (if that's one). No one checks if the engine bay cover is fastened before it leaves the factory? It's just 4 plain bolt you can see.

But I'm sure Teckis can help educate other CT owners how to fix things when he gets one.

 

[coleAK]

Oops duplicate post…

 

[Broski]

More overrating by Tesla !

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/tesla-cybertruck-beast-vs-porsche-911-carrera-t-drag-race-towing-rematch/