Bolt on turbo kit (8 Viewers)

[Trollhole]

And this is why we can't have nice things for the 80. No shop in their right mind is going to layout the money to put a kit together when people are delusional about a $300 engine swap. Haha.

For everyone that has talked about an engine swap how many have actually done one from start to finish and had everything working? How much was the total cost when you were done??

I can certainly appreciate wanting to do something different and putting a 5.7L in an 80 is awesome, but it is no where near cost or aptitude wise what were are talking about in this thread. If everyone had the time, skill, knowledge and ability to swap in a 5.7L than mud wouldn't be needed. For others it is a struggle changing the fluids for the first time.

Yet there are always the naysayers that have never done an engine swap that see cheap LS engines in the junkyard and say oh just LS swap it. Again the adapters alone to LS swap it are half the cost of this bolt on kit. Not to mention all the labor, fabrication and electrical that goes into an LS swap. If you have the ability to do all of those things on your own, than I would expect you could do a turbo on your own as well and this thread wouldn't be targeted to you....

Amen. The first V8 swap we did we lost our ass on. Can you do something on the cheap? Sure but it will be not much better than the crap you are pulling out to replace it with. There is always a long pause when I tell people how much a v8 swap will cost. But I don't half ass the install.

If I was asked to put a 5.7 in an 80 the number of 25-30k comes to mind. Toyota never designed the motor or the electronics to be customized. You have to trick the ECU to think it's still in the vehicle you took it out of. Have every module. Unless you like limp mode.

 

[White Stripe]

or keep it "cruiser" and simply go 3urfe- 380hp.

the $4k cost of turbos alone will easily get a 5.7 fresh pull from tundra or 200.....and "voila" 380hp naturally aspirated / 400ft./lb torque and probably less time and hassle when all is said and done with turbos-tuning-finickyness and lifetime lean fixing vs straight forward drivetrain swap.

The 3UR has very little aftermarket support. Its almost an unfeasable swap, their are very very few guys that have used it for a swap, meanwhile while one of those guys has a 3ur 25% swapped into another vehicle, another guy has done 4 ls motor swaps. It is not even worth considering as an option in my opinion. A LS motor has a million options available to it and parts are cheap and easy to source. The 3ur is also a huge motor for the amount of liters it is and takes up a awful lot of real estate.

 

[Qball]

On eBay they usually go for less than $10k, slightly used.

@Qball diesels are for preferred for their range. You don't need jerry cans when you drive a diesel.
Fewer cylinders and less displacement.

Totally agree except the newer LS can get similar highway gas mileage without the smell due to cylinder deactivation technology. For overland purposes diesels are usually the preferred choice especially since you can go under the water.

 

[Kaninja]

Totally agree except the newer LS can get similar highway gas mileage without the smell....

What smell? The only time I smell diesel in the Dodge is while refueling or following an early 80's Mercedes sedan.

Highway economy is one thing. Crawling or overlanding is another like you mentioned, and definitely where the diesel will outperform in range. Rebuild to rebuild distance as well.

Lots of options.....and I want nice things for my 80, so I support a solid turbo kit.

 

[Dragos80]

Totally agree except the newer LS can get similar highway gas mileage without the smell due to cylinder deactivation technology. For overland purposes diesels are usually the preferred choice especially since you can go under the water.

Not with the new ones, which have the same amount of electronics as a gasser.
With the old diesels you only needed the air intake to be above the water. The new ones, not so much.

 

[Dragos80]

@Qball
Let me know when you are around the civilized parts of this world, so you can smell my diesel.
I'll even let you put the pedal to the metal.



This is what's needed for our trucks. A full kit, be it a V8, diesel, electric drive, steam power, Flintstones power, whatever:


Nissan Patrol swap BMW engine motor kit 306D5 3,5D 400HP/800Nm extrem4x4.pl | eBay

 

[Qball]

Not with the new ones, which have the same amount of electronics as a gasser.
With the old diesels you only needed the air intake to be above the water. The new ones, not so much.

Dang it!!!!

 

[Qball]

@Qball
Let me know when you are around the civilized parts of this world, so you can smell my diesel.
I'll even let you put the pedal to the metal.



This is what's needed for our trucks. A full kit, be it a V8, diesel, electric drive, steam power, Flintstones power, whatever:


Nissan Patrol swap BMW engine motor kit 306D5 3,5D 400HP/800Nm extrem4x4.pl | eBay

That's what I've been telling my buddy at CX racing this whole time. Except he just recently purchased another business and is busy as hell, I need to talk him out of making money and you some fun stuff.

 

[Dragos80]

Does he still have the X5 35d?

 

[Qball]

Does he still have the X5 35d?

Think so, that's his wife's car if I remember correctly.

 

[scottryana]

Just to set my rant a little clearer. I have nothing against any of the swap ideas or even CX Racing. I did a 2UZ swap back before they were a thing, I have also done an LS swap in a very mismatched vehicle. I get that is very fun and it is super cool to have something that different.

I really want to try and offer something to the 80 community that will be high quality, could be bolted in with minimal technical skills, and would give these trucks what they are missing. And again I am only providing some technical insight and parts selection, I will make no money on this. The heavy lifting if it happens will be done by someone else, and hopefully they will chime in shortly

I still want everything to come together so we make this happen. I know not everyone appreciates the effort that has to happen behind the scenes to put something like this together but that is something I do commend CX Racing on. I don't know a lot about their business model, but I do know when EMS racing moved their product to overseas manufacturing the company wanted a minimum order of 100pcs, in the case of full exhausts that was almost $70,000. I imagine with all the parts and pieces CX Racing's kit is something similar. If he is stuck with 100 kits I do not want to take business away from him, but I also think his products don't share the same robustness that Land Cruisers are known for.

So hopefully everyone will see all the options as they are, two distinct quality points, at two separate price points in the case of turbo kits, and uniqueness in the case of engine swaps.

 

[lcgeek]

Just to set my rant a little clearer. I have nothing against any of the swap ideas or even CX Racing. I did a 2UZ swap back before they were a thing, I have also done an LS swap in a very mismatched vehicle. I get that is very fun and it is super cool to have something that different.

I really want to try and offer something to the 80 community that will be high quality, could be bolted in with minimal technical skills, and would give these trucks what they are missing. And again I am only providing some technical insight and parts selection, I will make no money on this. The heavy lifting if it happens will be done by someone else, and hopefully they will chime in shortly

I still want everything to come together so we make this happen. I know not everyone appreciates the effort that has to happen behind the scenes to put something like this together but that is something I do commend CX Racing on. I don't know a lot about their business model, but I do know when EMS racing moved their product to overseas manufacturing the company wanted a minimum order of 100pcs, in the case of full exhausts that was almost $70,000. I imagine with all the parts and pieces CX Racing's kit is something similar. If he is stuck with 100 kits I do not want to take business away from him, but I also think his products don't share the same robustness that Land Cruisers are known for.

So hopefully everyone will see all the options as they are, two distinct quality points, at two separate price points in the case of turbo kits, and uniqueness in the case of engine swaps.

Here, here!!! Back on topic! Yeah!

Best case, what kind of ETA for product are we really talking about here?

 

[Maltrix]

Forgive me if I missed it but what kind of numbers are we talking here with this kit? I saw someone mention 300-400hp. IIRC Ryan your Lx turbo got up to 600+hp(read alot of your build thread but not all of it)

Also what would this do for MPG?

 

[Heckraiser]

I had a similar setup to what is being proposed and my MPG was unchanged from stock when I drove normally. In fact, I even got slightly better MPG in the mountains (I'm guessing because of the lack of downshifting).

 

[Dragos80]

I had a similar setup to what is being proposed and my MPG was unchanged from stock when I drove normally. In fact, I even got slightly better MPG in the mountains (I'm guessing because of the lack of downshifting).

A less powerful engine on the same car will work harder under load, than a more powerful engine will. That will translate in less energy consumed (MPG).

 

[Maltrix]

Yeah I remember Ryan expecting better MPG after his turbo but wasn't getting it and was planning to continue tweaking the tuning. That's about where i stopped in his thread so was wondering if he sorted that out and ultimately what he ended up with

I went through the thread again and found the power figures, 30-40% in hp would that go for the torque as well?

 

[DylanICON]

And this is why we can't have nice things for the 80. No shop in their right mind is going to layout the money to put a kit together when people are delusional about a $300 engine swap. Haha.

For everyone that has talked about an engine swap how many have actually done one from start to finish and had everything working? How much was the total cost when you were done??

I can certainly appreciate wanting to do something different and putting a 5.7L in an 80 is awesome, but it is no where near cost or aptitude wise what were are talking about in this thread. If everyone had the time, skill, knowledge and ability to swap in a 5.7L than mud wouldn't be needed. For others it is a struggle changing the fluids for the first time.

Yet there are always the naysayers that have never done an engine swap that see cheap LS engines in the junkyard and say oh just LS swap it. Again the adapters alone to LS swap it are half the cost of this bolt on kit. Not to mention all the labor, fabrication and electrical that goes into an LS swap. If you have the ability to do all of those things on your own, than I would expect you could do a turbo on your own as well and this thread wouldn't be targeted to you....

My first engine swap was an OBD1 4.3chevy v6 into an 84 Toyota PU with a manual trans.
So way simpler than some of the above options.
I would still prefer the reduced work and headache of this turbo kit over even the simplest swap.

 

[half k cruiser]

Having completely disassembled a 1FZ before, I can attest to just how impressively built these motors are. With the biggest issue being power to weight ratio, I can see a lot of pros to a forced induction 1FZ.

1) At 4.5l the displacement is already on par with the 2UZ
2) Rotating assembly is damn near balanced from the factory
3) Its already in there, which is the biggest one to me. No need to hack up the wiring harness, engine mounts, or factory plumbing.

If I had an 80 series that was capable of keeping up with my buddies v8 4runner I could be super happy with that. It would make those long trips out west and over the passes so much more enjoyable.

 

[alia176]

Cheap Stage I turbo

 

[dogfishlake]

The turbo 1fz-fe concept is very solid and a much needed option imo. LS swaps, diesel swaps, even 2 UZ swaps all have
their place and are great but this thread
shoud not be about that debate, it is for those who want the 1fz and what it stands for in an 80 plus kicking it up a notch to match modern power ratings. It is more than stout and reliable enough for this. I am running an intercooled, supercharged 1fz now and is much better than stock, but even I think I will switch to turbo at some point. It is fresh technology with great efficiency. And very importantly, with more mods output can be turned up much more, if you wish.