Don't forget the decimation of Cash for Clunkers. Here are the numbers... shocking really
Land Cruiser Wagon 4WD
1991 / 1,176
1992 / 623
1993 / 626
1994 / 309
1995 / 364
1996 / 127
1997 / 76
^ the saddest thing I've read on the inter webs in a while
Any guess as to how many FJ80's and how many FZJ80's remain on the road in the US?
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^ the saddest thing I've read on the inter webs in a while
You bought a jeep liberty crd.... Known to be a complete s*** box... Did you expect the value to go up? Maybe because it has an anemic diesel?
I think decent fzjs have bottomed out. At this point they will only appreciate as long as they are maintained
Nope don't expect it to go up and I didn't buy it thinking that. I was just using it as an example of small batch vehicles doesn't make its value go up. What I do know is I have had 50K trouble free miles since I bought it with 42K after I fixed the known issues that you probably have heard. Would I recommend it to someone that doesn't maintain their own vehicle? Absolutely not. I wouldn't recommend an 80 to those same folks either.
Regardless of the liberty and their known problems, a light duty unibody SUV is no comparison to a heavy duty body on frame SUV with a long heritage in off-road mastery. That heritage is what drives the value up. The liberty has no heritage other than the badge.
58% of all US market 80 series still on the road, when even the newest is now old enough to smoke cigarettes
is pretty daqrn good.
I did my part to save a 97 from CfC. Bought ours right in the middle of that.
I seriously doubt that the FJ80 values will ever exceed the FZJ80's and most likely lag. Why? With collectibles, it's not always sheer numbers once an item gets hard to find. It's the desirability. With the improvements made between 91 and 97, anyone who has interest in ever driving it will want the FZJ, and then, preferably the 95-97 OBDII versions. They're essentially the same vehicle, except for the drivetrain. The later FZJs are much easier to deal with by slapping on a code reader for home or pro, since cost/ease of maintenance is also another factor in value.
is pretty daqrn good.I did my part to save a 97 from CfC. Bought ours right in the middle of that.
I seriously doubt that the FJ80 values will ever exceed the FZJ80's and most likely lag. Why? With collectibles, it's not always sheer numbers once an item gets hard to find. It's the desirability. With the improvements made between 91 and 97, anyone who has interest in ever driving it will want the FZJ, and then, preferably the 95-97 OBDII versions. They're essentially the same vehicle, except for the drivetrain. The later FZJs are much easier to deal with by slapping on a code reader for home or pro, since cost/ease of maintenance is also another factor in value.
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It would seem to me, based on the combined effects of the overall sparseness of 80's remaining, the sparseness of good examples of those numbers remaining, the desirability, the long range heritage in off-road mastery, and that simply these things are good vehicles w a cult following, that the chances are good that cost appreciation is set to occur, but potentially set to occur on a pretty impressive level. I'd argue the FZJ80's and the FJ80's both have factors that make them desirable, and that might keep them around the same rate of appreciation in the long term.
My goal with raising the question was first, its pretty neat knowing i have one of the top 10% condition and mileage examples of only 3,452 remaining on the road. That means, even in my own state of Missouri, at best, there are only 69 examples on the road, of which maybe 5 are of equal condition and potential long term comparable value, and second, to get folks' opinions on whether the 80's will ever be seen rolling up on stage at a barrett jackson event in 10 yrs, or will they be more viewed as cooler AMC Pacers by the collector market. I think it will be the former.
My goal with raising the question was first, its pretty neat knowing i have one of the top 10% condition and mileage examples of only 3,452 remaining on the road. That means, even in my own state of Missouri, at best, there are only 69 examples on the road, of which maybe 5 are of equal condition and potential long term comparable value, and second, to get folks' opinions on whether the 80's will ever be seen rolling up on stage at a barrett jackson event in 10 yrs, or will they be more viewed as cooler AMC Pacers by the collector market. I think it will be the former.
Work related sources (auto parts retailer), I'm not sure if there's a public document out there since a lot of the time you have to pay for the information. WSJ does publish sales figures and other interesting info: http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html?mod=topnav_2_3024
I think I'm gonna go buy up a couple of 80 series now and save them for the Barret Jackson 2025.
I read somewhere that there were about 3,000 LXs sold in Canada between 96-97. Toyota stopped selling LCs in Canada in the 80s. I think the numbers will start dropping significantly over the next few years because of rust.
2 centavos worth, it might be best if they don't rise too much in scarcity and value. Mine's a driver, and between the cults and gangsters and other worthless, I don't want to hide it away under wraps and just bring it out on Sunday mornings. IMHO, the more valuable they become, the more likely they won't be where you parked it when you go to get in.
This is being sold as a rare classic locally.
I agree with the claim of "very few left".
He could also make a claim for their OFF ROAD capabilities, that's where I saw most of them, usually 3 or all 4 wheels off the side of the road.
I guess everything becomes classic
at some point, but your Land Cruiser is classic before it's time.
I agree with the claim of "very few left".
He could also make a claim for their OFF ROAD capabilities, that's where I saw most of them, usually 3 or all 4 wheels off the side of the road.
I guess everything becomes classic
The 80 will have the same fate as the 2JZ Supra TT.
The few clean, stock 80s will probably go up in value since those owners will highly value them on the used market.
If they are recognized as mainstream 'collectable' suv's,
many will have been modified, damaged, destroyed and parted out.
Others will have been run into the ground, deferred maintenance.
The 60 and 40 are 'vintage' and have that appeal, because the styling is retro.
80s kind of skirt the line, so they don't have that kind of appeal yet.
The few clean, stock 80s will probably go up in value since those owners will highly value them on the used market.
If they are recognized as mainstream 'collectable' suv's,
many will have been modified, damaged, destroyed and parted out.
Others will have been run into the ground, deferred maintenance.
The 60 and 40 are 'vintage' and have that appeal, because the styling is retro.
80s kind of skirt the line, so they don't have that kind of appeal yet.
Good luck and more power to you on that.
The last time i saw one of those was about a year after I bought my '76 FJ55, new.
Haha, that's why my quest has lasted 8 years now.Good luck and more power to you on that.
The last time i saw one of those was about a year after I bought my '76 FJ55, new.
They are definitely getting harder to find but they are out there. I bought mine, for $5k and the only thing it had was a bad white paint job over the stock color, other than that it was original, including tools under the seat. And I had no idea what I had and tore it all apart.
"Tools under the seat" would not be original. 
On a FJ55 there were. The back seat flipped up and that is where the hand crank, and tools for the jacks were stored. *not my photo.
The line blurs.............