Do you want more clearance, or no more broken shafts?
14bolts can be shaved quite a bit.
2nd long rear broken
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Do you want more clearance, or no more broken shafts?
14bolts can be shaved quite a bit.
Tapage
Club 4X4 Panamá
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I can't get both .. ?
Drop a mail to PP just to know the warranty police ..
I really like my axle .. and it's definately cheap and fast just swap axles .. and yes would be nice to have a 14B .. but will inmerse me in another thread matching wheels or buying new 8 lugs .. and then ..
Other option wil be a 6 lugs D60 rear ..
I have broken two Poly Performance FJ40 long side axles. Actually - the first twisted at the splines but held, bent (torsionally) and then grenaded at about the midpoint. PP warranteed it - but then I got bogged down with a huge hassle that they sent both sides and then wanted me to pay - sent it back and it was a mess getting my money back.
Second one wasn't broke yet when I pulled it - it was just horribly bent (again torsionally) with some minor twisting at the splines. Due to the bending - it had near to pulled the bearing out of the housing (as it was exerting non-linear forces on due to being bent) and was so wedged in the axle it was hilarious trying ot get it out of the carrier to remove.
Not overly happy - no warranty on the second one - paid for a third with overnight shipping - but that was a rip as it didn't move over the weekend - will pay more attention to the fine print on rush shipping next time.
Am running 39" Red Label Krawlers behind an FI/DUI 2F with SM420 to an ORION HD with 4.56 gears.
Funny thing is that a friend with a similar set up and a rear 4-link hammers down harder than I do and still has yet to snap his stock rear axles - pure strangeness there as I broke a stock one idling up a steep rock face with 37" MTRs like you have.
The material is definitely a step up as evidenced by the splines having a bit more twist without breaking like stock axles normally do - but I dislike the lighter tapered down torsional torque design - and would prefer a beefier mid section with less genteel tapering - in the hopes that they could stop them from bending.
Conclusion - I'm one of the folks who is less than impressed with the PP axles - and they've been polite and forward that the tires are part of the problem - but dammit - I really babied the second axle and it still couldn't take it. Hoping that this type of feedback generates interest in improving the product - or another company steps in.
Tapage - everyone here has told me to go 14 bolt or Dana 60 - but I've wimped out as of late and have been focusing on the girlfriend, surfing and hammering the flats boat out fishing....
Go with the 14B if you can indeed find the proper geared version with a Detroit - you won't regret it (do a search here for the 14B bible and other write ups - great stuff).
Ramble off.
Second one wasn't broke yet when I pulled it - it was just horribly bent (again torsionally) with some minor twisting at the splines. Due to the bending - it had near to pulled the bearing out of the housing (as it was exerting non-linear forces on due to being bent) and was so wedged in the axle it was hilarious trying ot get it out of the carrier to remove.
Not overly happy - no warranty on the second one - paid for a third with overnight shipping - but that was a rip as it didn't move over the weekend - will pay more attention to the fine print on rush shipping next time.
Am running 39" Red Label Krawlers behind an FI/DUI 2F with SM420 to an ORION HD with 4.56 gears.
Funny thing is that a friend with a similar set up and a rear 4-link hammers down harder than I do and still has yet to snap his stock rear axles - pure strangeness there as I broke a stock one idling up a steep rock face with 37" MTRs like you have.
The material is definitely a step up as evidenced by the splines having a bit more twist without breaking like stock axles normally do - but I dislike the lighter tapered down torsional torque design - and would prefer a beefier mid section with less genteel tapering - in the hopes that they could stop them from bending.
Conclusion - I'm one of the folks who is less than impressed with the PP axles - and they've been polite and forward that the tires are part of the problem - but dammit - I really babied the second axle and it still couldn't take it. Hoping that this type of feedback generates interest in improving the product - or another company steps in.
Tapage - everyone here has told me to go 14 bolt or Dana 60 - but I've wimped out as of late and have been focusing on the girlfriend, surfing and hammering the flats boat out fishing....
Go with the 14B if you can indeed find the proper geared version with a Detroit - you won't regret it (do a search here for the 14B bible and other write ups - great stuff).
Ramble off.
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I don't drive my crawler hard. It just looks that way, its must be the angle your looking from. I just ordered a set of rear PP for the 60 series axles to put under my 40 well see at GSMTR if they can hold up to the abuse?
Mike
Mike
I can't get both .. ?
Drop a mail to PP just to know the warranty police ..
I really like my axle .. and it's definately cheap and fast just swap axles .. and yes would be nice to have a 14B .. but will inmerse me in another thread matching wheels or buying new 8 lugs .. and then ..
Other option wil be a 6 lugs D60 rear ..
Custom 9" rear axle.
35 spline, six lug and good clearance.
only problem is price..
Tapage
Club 4X4 Panamá
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thanks for your comments dude .. the only issue coz I'm not getting on to 14B it's the clearance .. coz it gonna means go upper in tires and new gears for fornt .. and and and .. you know how it is.
The price it's a little problem uh
I was thinking in the rear FF from 80 series .. I can reuse my 3rd member and safe my R&P and ARB . .with a FF and aditional strength .. ?
Well at the end here a little short video of the trip ... ( all before I broke the axle .. ) enjoy !
YouTube - Video Trinidad-Chileno Club4x4
keep the opinions coming !
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shaved rockwell?
Just kidding.
Just kidding.
Damn Mike - you're too modest! Get a new front driveshaft fabbed up while you're at it
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BTW, the only real reason to do a 14 bolt is because they are Stupid cheap here in the states.
Once you start pouring money into them, you are better off building another axle.
Also remember that some of the Non US spec 60's came with Dana 60 rear axles as well..
Once you start pouring money into them, you are better off building another axle.
Also remember that some of the Non US spec 60's came with Dana 60 rear axles as well..
Liar's, both of you!
lol Capt would be dissapointed.http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-11/485145/1247921-WPBFishing144.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-11/485145/1_multipart_xF8FF_4_Picture349.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-11/485145/1247921-GSMTR06081.jpg
http://nfcruiserheads.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=258.0;attach=853;image
Tapage
Club 4X4 Panamá
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How much it's cheap .. ?
Thought I can source a 14B here for about 300 - 400 hope with 4.56 already and a Detroit .. maybe need to spend 100 - 150 USD in bearings and seals .. welding perches and soo ..
but gonna need a new set of wheels ..
Here I can source a rear D60 out from a 60 series .. but are more strong than mine .. ? are SF too so I really don't thing they are .. ?
BTW no comments on the 80 series rear FF .. ?
Nice pics ..
amazing .. did you broke something .. ?
you can upgrade the 60 to 35 spline if it isn't already, those are mighty strong shafts based on size alone.
If you put an 80 series rear in, you'd have an axle that is 4" (correct me if I'm wrong) wider than your front with the same backspaced wheels. You'd have to either widen the front or run two different types of wheels at the same time.
If you can get a D60 that will bolt into your rig, that will probably be the most inexpensive route.
If you can get a D60 that will bolt into your rig, that will probably be the most inexpensive route.
I did not read every post but here is my 2 pennies. I dont think anyone beats there rear cruiser harder than I do. I do have the poly pros and have broken it once. but the damage was done when I had leaf springs in the rear now that I am linked hammer down. Why you say does it make a difference. If you have a good track bar you wont have a problem and I would say go for it but if you dont put one in. whe the leaf sprngs wrap up on hard climbs the axle shafts get shock loaded continously. when the housing is braced you dont get the constant loading and unloading of the axle you just get the forces applied by the tire.
This force is mutiplied exponentially when the axle is wrapping up at the same time.
All around once I went linked I have broken much fewer parts.
Cam
This force is mutiplied exponentially when the axle is wrapping up at the same time.
All around once I went linked I have broken much fewer parts.
Cam
Fundamentally, there is always someone that beats harder on a rig than you. law of averages amigo..
SF 14 bolts are not common in the states.. I would not expect them to be any more plentiful in Panama...
The D60 center section is much stronger than the toy unit. Plus it can easily be upgraded to 35 spline. SF is not a huge deal. With some 35 spline SF alloy SF shafts you would be able to beat the living hell out of your truck with no breakage.
Six lug too..
Tapage
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I'm actually running 2" wheel spacers per side .. to the 4" wider are not big deal to me .. but yes they are the 6lugs ..
If I decide go to the swap rear axle route I would prefeer a FF instead of a SF .. ( more of the same ) no matter if it's a D60 .. ?
would be great found a D60 FF 6 lugs .. they exist . ?
thought not be too hard to sel my rear 3rd member or just swap it onto my 80 series rear ..
Just a note .. maybe are not really important .. but I drop a mail to PP just to know the warranty statements .. and get no reply yet .. and one of the most important think to me living in other country it's the customer service ..
If I decide go to the swap rear axle route I would prefeer a FF instead of a SF .. ( more of the same ) no matter if it's a D60 .. ?
would be great found a D60 FF 6 lugs .. they exist . ?
thought not be too hard to sel my rear 3rd member or just swap it onto my 80 series rear ..
Just a note .. maybe are not really important .. but I drop a mail to PP just to know the warranty statements .. and get no reply yet .. and one of the most important think to me living in other country it's the customer service ..
as far as customer service goes I would give them a thumbs up. shipped them my broken axle and tracked it. The day they recieved it an hour later I had a tracking number with the new axle on the way.
Tapage
Club 4X4 Panamá
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as far as customer service goes I would give them a thumbs up. shipped them my broken axle and tracked it. The day they recieved it an hour later I had a tracking number with the new axle on the way.
Thanks dude .. that's worth to me .. and make me feel better .. ?
Jim .. you talk you are near to PP .. can you share your experience from other people that use PP axles . ?
yeh my gutt tells me you will not break a pp axle. you really have to bind them up in a severe way to break one. And they take some amazing abuse.
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