1HD-T injector removal prep (1 Viewer)

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New to the forum - I'm adding this some months on but felt compelled to express thanks to HillCountryTX for the effort. The trick for tapping them up worked sweet and eased my stress level of maybe screwing something up on a first time job.

Engine running got progessively rougher and not helping with low rev rattles at all. More black belch at startup too and idle speed has dropped away after being stable for years. Maybe pump needs a look but hoping not. Cheers to all

HDJ81 1990
Ongoing project and money pit
 
@4byfour, thanks! I'm glad this thread was helpful for you. The trick for tapping them to get the injectors out is all @Sarmajor ! Without that little trick I think I would still be spraying PB Blaster and trying to use a slide hammer or something :)

Sorry the injector change out didn't fix your issue. I changed my injectors out after about 144,000 kms on the engine, thinking that would increase our relatively poor fuel mileage (12mpg - 17 mpg, US Gallons), but it didn't really change the fuel mileage at all. I'm thinking it is either our Injection Pump (IP), or some fuel setting that I just don't have the knowledge/tools (i.e. EGT probe, etc.) to diagnose and fix.
 
Did you have black smoke before, has it gone now?
 
Thanks. That's the same mileage that we're all getting in Canada (we've been blessed with the HDJ81's since 2005).

The best I know of is a buddy with a 5-spd HDJ81 who gets 15 mpg, but average is about 17 mpg. 17 is what I've been getting since I got the truck in 2008.

In my opinion, the 1HD-T (which is awesome) just doesn't get great mileage.

When I had my BJ74 I would get 27 mpg.
My HDJ-81 has the automatic and I just got back from a 3400 mile trip through the western states. I checked each fill for mpg: 21.5 mpg high to 19.5 low, with a majority of driving at 20.5 mpg. I found that keeping the engine below 2400 (hence a cruise speed below 70 mpg) contributes to decent mileage. No roof accessories but we were loaded and used that A/C and center console fridge.
Scot
 
Im still waiting for my rebuilt injectors to be returned. I have gone the rebuild route. With down time so far Im thinking I should have pulled the pump at the same time for bench testing. Gut feeling is that Im gonna end up doing that way anyway.
I replaced the thermo wax plunger gizmo years ago with a blanking plate and that fixed idle issues at the time. Also, since installing Webasto about 5 years ago I have never observed any diesel seep from seals in winter. My inclination was to leave the pump well alone, but with all the info on Mud I feel a little more at ease with the prospect. I like to do stuff myself - tou know whats actually been done & save $$.
 
Thank you for tip, especially how to get nozzles out with the clamp method. Worked fine.
I just changed nozzles on my 94 HDT 80. 400.000 km on odo, 160.000 since last nozzle overhaul. It smoked pretty much, and consumption has been 1.1-1.2 litre/10 km normal driving. On higway at 120 km/h, up to 1.4 liter/ 10k with roof tent, that is.

Tip for getting the nozzle leakage pipe back into place: Put on only the inner bolt first, with gasket. Then insert one gasket on next nozzle underneat nozzle leakage pipe that will hold the gasket in place. Insert bolt. And then the next one etc.
Will come back on new diesel milage.
 
More part numbers for this thread in regards to the 1993/94 1HD-T injector washers.

EPC lists 11176-17020 for 93/94 1HD-T as well as for the 1HD-FT in many markets. These are discontinued and there is no sub from what I've seen on EPC. There is reference here to using the same washer on the 1HD-T from late 1992 (date of the injection pump/injector/piston change) through 1995/98 on the 1HD-FT. The injector washer number is 11176-27011, which in EPC is good for the 1HD-FTE and 15BT in certain markets. New it is 3.5mm thick (as opposed to the early 1HD-T which is thinner).

A buddy had a Diesel Performance Parts (DPP) 1HZ/1HD-T engine gasket kit I took a look at. It comes with all washers for the the early 1HD-T, late 1HD-T and 1HZ injectors. I checked the late 1HD-T ones and compared them to 11176-27011.

The DPP and OEM are within 0.026mm. So for anyone who is looking for a sub for "seat, injection nozzle" 11176-17020 there you go.

For some reason this shows as a good part in the North American system.

Copper is the DPP washer and silver is the OEM washer.

hth's
gb

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Where can I find out if injectors PN 23600-17010 (1991 HDJ81) are compatible with injection pump PN 22100-17620 (1993 HDJ81 (mine))?
On Partsouq for the PN 22100-17620 inj pump, it only lists 3 injectors w PN 23600-1703[0,1,or 2].

Curious if the 23600-17010 injectors will work with my injection pump above.
 
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Where can I find out if injectors PN 23600-17010 (1991 HDJ81) are compatible with injection pump PN 22100-17620 (1993 HDJ81 (mine))?
On Partsouq for the PN 22100-17620 inj pump, it only lists 3 injectors w PN 23600-1703[0,1,or 2].

Curious if the 23600-17010 injectors will work with my injection pump above.
Post a 'wanted' add in the classified section... I think @SteveJackson may have had some for sale.

Quick check here's a lightly used set:
 
This one is giving me fits. So close to firewall. All the others came out so easy using your method
 
Alright, so here's my attempt at capturing what I did to remove the existing injectors on my 1991 HDJ81 (5spd) with 144,000 kms on it. My recommendation is to go slow and steady and not try to set a speed record (no problem for me!), as a broken part or ruined thread will take even longer to fix. Please know that this is the first time I've ever done anything like this, so go easy on me :)

FYI, the entire process (removal of old injectors and installation of new injectors) took me about 4.5 hours from start to finish. The tools I used can be found in my very first post on this thread. I have updated the first post to reflect what I actually used.

Also, I used the Toyota Factory Service Manual (FSM) for step-by-step guidance, but did not follow it to the letter. My suggestion is to see what the FSM says and see what I did and decide for yourself...I'm always amazed at the tricks that other folks have come up with that can shave time off this process! For me being able to see photos of what the heck is going on is a big step in the right direction.

1. Loosen the turbo intake pipe on one side. The FSM is pretty easy to follow here...however, I did not actually completely remove the turbo intake pipe like the FSM says to do...instead, I disconnected the tiny rubber hose on the side of the intake pipe at the plastic tee portion (see the photo below). I did not want to tear 25+ year old rubber. The tiny rubber hose's connection to the cast intake pipe itself was on VERY tight. The tiny rubber hose's connection to the plastic tee, however, was easily removed, so that's where I disconnected it. After removing the 4 12mm bolts holding the intake pipe on to the rest of the engine (three of the bolts actually hold the intake pipe on, while the fourth secures the accelerator linkage assembly to the intake pipe), make sure that you grab the metal gasket that sits between the intake pipe and the rest of the engine...it's very thin and easy to lose! FYI, I did not remove the accelerator linkage at all either, just unbolted it from the intake pipe. Once the bolts on the intake pipe were removed I was able to move the entire intake pipe about 3-4 inches in any direction, but remember that it is still connected to the larger diameter rubber hose located on the driver's side of the engine, so be gentle. I was able to do the injector removal/reinstall without much trouble with intake pipe resting out of the way with it resting on a block of wood to hold it up away from the injectors.
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2. Loosen the 6 injection pipe union nut connections using the 17mm flare wrench. I used an adjustable wrench that had 4 sides to do this and it wasn't too difficult. It's righty-tighty, lefty-loosey when you're facing the injectors from the passenger side...sometimes it can be confusing when you have threading like this going on :) There are no gaskets or anything that will come out...just some diesel fuel (not much). I used a shop rag to dry off some of the diesel after undoing the injection pipes. The injection pipe ends will simply rest up against the injector. You can move the metal injection pipes with your fingers slightly, but you really don't have that much flexibility...they are pretty stiff. However, you can push on the metal injection pipes to remove the injectors when the time comes...until then I just let the injection pipes rest against the injectors.

Here's a photo with the union nut undone (keep in mind that all of step 3 & part of step 4 below were already completed when I took this photo, but the principle is the same here):
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3. Loosen the nozzle leakage pipe (the metal squiggly thing that connects the top of the 6 injectors together) using a 12mm hex. I had to use a small extension on my ratchet to get some of them loose because of clearance issues and my limited ability to reach into the engine bay while standing on the ground beside the vehicle. Below is a picture of what the leakage pipe looks like after the 6 top hollow bolts have been removed. Keep in mind that there are two small copper gaskets for each hollow bolt...one copper gasket is on the top of the nozzle leakage pipe, and one is below it...you will be installing new ones when the time comes, but the old ones are easy to bump off and lose down in the engine...so be careful.
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I completely removed the leakage pipe from the engine bay...to do this you'll want to disconnect the leakage pipe from the fuel...I did this at the more accessible part of the fuel hose (see two photos below...before and after). The connection that the FSM says to remove is very difficult to access, so I decided to remove the connection down lower (see before and after photo). The one drawback to this is that it makes removing the leakage pipe from the engine bay area more difficult because you have to wrangle a 3-4 inch rubber fuel pipe that has a funky bend to it.

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4. Remove the injectors by removing the bolt, washer, nozzle holder clamp, injection nozzle and the copper seat. This is where @Sarmajor 's advice came in handy, big time!!! Thanks! You'll want to make some sort of injector remover rig to do the injector removal. The easiest way is to use the nozzle holder clamp (piece of metal that holds the injector in the engine). The brilliant part is realizing that you can turn the nozzle holder clamp upside down, use the existing 14mm bolt and convex washer as a fulcrum, and then make sure you use a metal washer to protect the surface you'll be reacting against when you pound the other end of the clamp (the end with a small dimple) with the light tap of a hammer. See the photo below for my first attempt, which almost ended in catastrophe.

An almost catastrophe...
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You'll see I have the nozzle holder clamp turned upside down with the 14mm bolt head acting as the fulcrum. The mistake I made was that when I went to hit the small, dimple end of the upside down nozzle clamp with a hammer I was actually making an small indentation on the engine block threaded bolt hole. I almost ruined some of the threading on the engine block, but luckily I was able to get the old bolt back in without having to re-thread the hole...yikes! The solution is to put some sacrificial material between the fulcrum (the 14mm bolt head) and the engine block...I chose to use a cheap metal washer that distributed the impact of the small hammer blows to a wide enough area on the engine block that nothing gets nicked or damaged! I figured out that a small ratchet extension (3 inches or so) for a 3/8 ratchet will fit perfectly over this small, dimpled end and allows you to hit the extension with a light blow from the hammer while focusing the impact cleanly on the clamp. See the photo below for an example of the setup I used:

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I was able to get all 6 injectors out WITH their copper seats using this upside-down nozzle holder clamp method. I did not have to use any PB Blaster before or during the removal...so the o-ring AND the copper seat both came out with the injector, which is extremely lucky, or a testament to how well this injector removal method works :) On average, to remove any single injector probably took 12-15 relatively light blows of a normal hammer to dislodge the injector. I would have to reposition the washer at times, as each time you hit the injector moves slightly. You will also have to reposition the upside down nozzle clamp after several hammer blows for the same reason. I had another person help me do this, so I could hold the "injector removal rig" in place while the other person hit the ratchet extension squarely with a light tap of the hammer. No twisting or anything else was done to the injector during removal...simply the light hammer blows. It's crazy how well it works. I hope others find the same!

Below is a photo of the old injectors that I removed:
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And here's one of an old injector vs. a new injector:
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And finally here's one of the new injector with the copper seat and the rubber o-ring before being installed:
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Reinstallation is pretty easy if you just do everything in reverse (I know, classic easier said than done). Just remember to put a new copper seat back in, then the new injector with the new o-ring back in. Of course, this depends on whether you're buying new injectors, or having your existing injectors serviced and reconditioned as to what parts you actually need to get or need to install prior to injector installation.

The hardest part about reinstallation was getting the nozzle leakage pipe back into place. It has some weird dimensions and really takes some creative arm movements to get it back in with the short rubber fuel pipe attached. The other part that takes some finesse is the placement of the new copper washers on the nozzle leakage pipe as there is a copper washer (aka gasket) on both the bottom and top of each nozzle leakage pipe connection. Placing the pipe back onto where you have a tiny copper washer sitting in a very small lip holding it on takes some steady hands :)

Now, be sure to reconnect the turbo intake tiny rubber hose at the plastic tee and don't forget the intake pipe's metal gasket when reattaching!

Once everything was installed again, torqued properly, and seated, you can go and start the truck. I did NOT have to prime anything or use the fuel filter manual pump or anything like that...the truck coughed a bit when we first started it, but it came alive after a second or two! So it started on the first attempt and even then it only took an extra second or two more than normal...amazing!

So far, after driving it for a couple days with the new injectors I've noticed that it is more responsive when accelerating, smoother, and hopefully, more fuel efficient! I hope to report back with fuel usage after we have a chance to go through a couple tanks of diesel.

I will go back and edit this how-to in the future as I hear from others, or decide to add additional detail as necessary. Hopefully this helps others out too!
I just wanted to revive a old thread the "built-in" tool was a success for me this is my second time doing injectors and this saved me alot of time THANKYOU great tip on using a washer to save your treaded hole.
 

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