What’s the shelf life of one of these? Used or not - Lithium degrades to the point of being useless. Proactively replace after X amount of years?? 3? 5?
Which Noco Jump Starter Battery To Buy?
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davidp14
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I dont know about the noco but my anti gravity is almost 5 years old and still has plenty of juice.
I have GB40's in each of my vehicles and they've worked well, but the problem with any battery based jump starter is that the battery will eventually fail (most likely when you need it the most), which is why I'll be replacing them with capacitor based jump boxes 
The capacitor units are basically stored empty, but will quickly charge up using residual voltage from your dead battery or usb power pack to give you an instant starting boost.
Best of all, there's no battery to fail, so they'll practically last forever
I have an RFD1000 for my shop and it's been awesome.
It does have a built in back up battery to charge up the caps in case you have to jump a vehicle without a battery.
It's identical to this one from SP Tools
The capacitor units are basically stored empty, but will quickly charge up using residual voltage from your dead battery or usb power pack to give you an instant starting boost.
Best of all, there's no battery to fail, so they'll practically last forever
I have an RFD1000 for my shop and it's been awesome.
It does have a built in back up battery to charge up the caps in case you have to jump a vehicle without a battery.
It's identical to this one from SP Tools
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The NOCO GB70 is $125 today only on Amazon. Merry Christmas.
Azca
If there is a harder way - I will find it...
I had an antigravity go ballistic in my 80.
OH CRAP! Bet you never had this happen before!
Well, it is a time for firsts, at least for me anyway. The Mrs. was out shopping and came home about 45 minutes ago. She comes bouncing in the house saying "There is smoke coming out of the Land Cruiser!". Needless to say it is my baby and I drop everything and run out to the driveway...
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Anyway, I replaced with another antigravity and it expanded within a year. I have not replaced since. I will not leave these in a vehicle where the outside temp exceeds 90, just not worth it. Here, in Phoenix, that is 5 to 6 months out of the year. This is why I am going to a second battery (everything is sitting on my shelves now, just no time). Thinking about getting the NOCO for trips, but again, will not be left in the vehicle for half the year....
lumbee1
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Woofythewolf
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The project farm videos are always good.
I have one my dad got at a tech convention and its probably 3 or 4 years old now, always lived in the car in SoCal with no issues. It's gone 12 months without checking and didn't lose ANY charge. (I normally check it to ensure its charged every 6 months). I'll edit this with the brand when I check tomorrow.
A key difference of it from these "thin" ones I'm seeing people post about, could be cell type.
Mine uses 18650 cells like what power tools and older (thick) laptop batteries use. Those thin ones could possibly be using pouch cells, which can expand as people have reported. You really don't want pouch cells in a hot vehicle. 18650s will literally never expand no matter what. They can vent (and spew some fire during that), but they will contain their "explosion" very well compared to a pouch cell. Of course, pouch cell ones are a lot cheaper, mine was $165 I think.
Also, my jumper has effortlessly started a completely dead isuzu 4HE1-TC (4.8 Liter inline 4 diesel) which draws 870 amps of starter current. And it wasn't all that quick about starting either, a good 5 turns before it caught, yet didn't even take a single bar of charge.
Also, I agree that ELDC banks are the "ultimate" way to make a starter bank. Can charge them off anything (AA batteries, a small solar panel, a hand crank generator even), and you don't need to worry about temps as they're often rated at 105*C. Supercapacitors are just very bulky for the amount of energy they store (how many times you can crank it around), even if they can unleash it better than a brand new fully charged starting battery.
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Here's the pouch cells I was warning about (from Azca's incident):
I have one my dad got at a tech convention and its probably 3 or 4 years old now, always lived in the car in SoCal with no issues. It's gone 12 months without checking and didn't lose ANY charge. (I normally check it to ensure its charged every 6 months). I'll edit this with the brand when I check tomorrow.
A key difference of it from these "thin" ones I'm seeing people post about, could be cell type.
Mine uses 18650 cells like what power tools and older (thick) laptop batteries use. Those thin ones could possibly be using pouch cells, which can expand as people have reported. You really don't want pouch cells in a hot vehicle. 18650s will literally never expand no matter what. They can vent (and spew some fire during that), but they will contain their "explosion" very well compared to a pouch cell. Of course, pouch cell ones are a lot cheaper, mine was $165 I think.
Also, my jumper has effortlessly started a completely dead isuzu 4HE1-TC (4.8 Liter inline 4 diesel) which draws 870 amps of starter current. And it wasn't all that quick about starting either, a good 5 turns before it caught, yet didn't even take a single bar of charge.
Also, I agree that ELDC banks are the "ultimate" way to make a starter bank. Can charge them off anything (AA batteries, a small solar panel, a hand crank generator even), and you don't need to worry about temps as they're often rated at 105*C. Supercapacitors are just very bulky for the amount of energy they store (how many times you can crank it around), even if they can unleash it better than a brand new fully charged starting battery.
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Here's the pouch cells I was warning about (from Azca's incident):
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I own the smallest one they make. GB20 I believe it is. I've started 1FZs frequently without issues.
Also, I've started my 40s dead 2F a few times which takes long crank times. No problems there!
Also, I've started my 40s dead 2F a few times which takes long crank times. No problems there!
I saw that deal too and couldn’t pass it up
beatit swollen (i've shared this model previousluy) I've had this for a few years and needed it, but no go...
that's 3 years old...
This may be next one:
Amazon product ASIN B07FTG9PBK
that's 3 years old...
This may be next one:
Amazon product ASIN B07FTG9PBK
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South Texas 97
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I second Greg_B on Project Farm comparison - very thorough science based comparisons on lots of stuff.
Interesting video here. Project Farm does some interesting comparisons.
Interesting video here. Project Farm does some interesting comparisons.
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FJRanger
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The Autowitt super cap says its good up 6 liter gad engines and 4 liter diesels. Anyone with a 1HZ/D give it a try? The capacitor idea is a great idea, what are the downsides?
All the compact jumpers I used, haven't tried the GB70, fail to turn over our hdft. Shoot, the Costco ones wouldn't even start our Sienna
All the compact jumpers I used, haven't tried the GB70, fail to turn over our hdft. Shoot, the Costco ones wouldn't even start our Sienna
Woofythewolf
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The capacitor ones don't hold very much energy. So on a hard to start vehicle it may not be a good idea, as you'll get maybe 10-20 seconds of cranking rather than a minute.
But for modern EFI vehicles that start on the second or third rotation, that's not an issue at all. For a diesel in cold weather, I would be concerned about it. Especially for grid heaters and glow plugs which need a lot of energy to heat up, not just a quick burst of power.
Also as you get into the higher amp draw (the starter on an Isuzu 4.8L I4 diesel, the 4HE1-TC, draws 860 amps according to the manual IIRC), the clamp style means it won't work at all. You'd need to put proper terminals on the jump pack and bolt them to the posts to get the contact resistant low enough.
But for modern EFI vehicles that start on the second or third rotation, that's not an issue at all. For a diesel in cold weather, I would be concerned about it. Especially for grid heaters and glow plugs which need a lot of energy to heat up, not just a quick burst of power.
Also as you get into the higher amp draw (the starter on an Isuzu 4.8L I4 diesel, the 4HE1-TC, draws 860 amps according to the manual IIRC), the clamp style means it won't work at all. You'd need to put proper terminals on the jump pack and bolt them to the posts to get the contact resistant low enough.
Hi, I have the Noco GB40 however after a house move I have lost the clamp leads. Could anyone suggest a reasonable replacement set ?
Many thanks
Many thanks
MoJ
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$25 from Noco
NOCO - Jump Starters - Boost Accessories
BOOST Accessories Collection - our accessories are durable and safe, intended for use with GB20, GB30, and GB40 Boost models. Melt and smoke-free, these clamps keep you safe and ensure a secure connection.
Gb 70 still has not exploded, jumped vehicles tons of times. The GB150 has done lots of work with the vehicles I haul and has jump started 18 wheelers a few times already.
