So you're all saying I should get the LX570 over the 06/07 LX470 right?
I need to test drive another one but in MN they aren't that plentiful 
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I need to test drive another one but in MN they aren't that plentiful 
Good 200 > Good 100 > Bad 200.
If your budget causes you to decide between a tired 2009 200 and a 2007 100 with great maintenance, low miles, rust-free, etc. then I'd go with the 100. It's just that Bad 200's abound, Good 100's are getting harder to find, and Good 200's are expensive.
If your budget causes you to decide between a tired 2009 200 and a 2007 100 with great maintenance, low miles, rust-free, etc. then I'd go with the 100. It's just that Bad 200's abound, Good 100's are getting harder to find, and Good 200's are expensive.
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Nice. I have the same ADGU Kitchen slide out. Looking at the right side of your anchor and rails, looks like they upgraded the hardware. I see two silver braces unless you added those?
Excellent points and so true.
Re. 6 vs 8 speed, the spirited feeling of the earlier trucks probably has quite a bit to do with the 3.91 gears .The later 8 speed trucks have 3.31.
2008-2015 transmission gears: 1st-3.33 2nd-1.96 3rd-1.35 4th-1.00 5th-0.73 6th-0.59
2016+ transmission gears: 1st-4.79, 2nd-2.81 3rd-1.84 4th-1.43 5th-1.21 6th-1.00 7th-0.82 8th-0.67
FWIW, I notice very little difference in ECT mode, especially compared to putting my Tundra in tow/haul mode. Same engine/trans in both vehicles; t/h makes a massive difference.
2008-2015 transmission gears: 1st-3.33 2nd-1.96 3rd-1.35 4th-1.00 5th-0.73 6th-0.59
2016+ transmission gears: 1st-4.79, 2nd-2.81 3rd-1.84 4th-1.43 5th-1.21 6th-1.00 7th-0.82 8th-0.67
FWIW, I notice very little difference in ECT mode, especially compared to putting my Tundra in tow/haul mode. Same engine/trans in both vehicles; t/h makes a massive difference.
I drive through MN a few times a year... In winter, there is ZERO vehicle I'd rather be cruisin in... Beautiful state + nice peopleSo you're all saying I should get the LX570 offer the 06/07 LX470 right?
Loved the advice to focus on quality of the specific specimen over all else...
Right? I came from a tundra too and tow haul on with granny buttons off made that thing a whole different animal. I was expecting the same with our cruiser only to be disappointed. Guess the only way to get that feeling again is a tune.
Guys, it's 100% throttle mapping. Not the trans, not the final drive ratio. Stock the 16+ feels slow because of pedal response. With the map I have selected it's more spritely than the 6-Spd in our 2013. Pedal Monster. This is the #1 mod to do for the 16+. Absolutely transforms the experience.
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Be careful in MN. I looked at a couple in Wayzata and they were rusted to crap. The salesman said that they were in excellent condition and that I was being too picky. The interiors were rough also.So you're all saying I should get the LX570 over the 06/07 LX470 right?
I wonder what the comparison would be between both with the pedal monster mapping you’ve selected. Tires and wheels being equal and all.
I'm not sure what the value would be of adding a Pedal Monster to a pre-2016. The native ECT PWR button has a sufficiently aggressive curve that most user's don't find it lacking.
Is your thought that there is a real-world acceleration difference? The Pedal Monster won't change this. WOT is WOT. According to Edmunds/Lexus there was a very slight performance gain with the 8-spd.
My thought is with all other things being equal (tires, wheels, engine, throttle mapping, weight), what is the real world difference between the 6 speed and 3.91 gears vs the 8 speed and 3.31 gears? I'm sure it's pretty much a wash, just like fuel economy.
Just looked up C&D reports.
All years 2008-2015 0-60 are at 6.8sec. 2016+ vary from 6.9 to 7.2 sec, but 2020 is listed as 6.6sec. Wonder what made the 2020 faster? Tire pressure?
Pretty marginal differences. Likely outdoor conditions, driver differences, reaction time, temperature, elevation at the point of testing can make a huge difference etc, how many extra people in the rig - lots of variables can change and provide different outcomes
Maybe a heritage edition with no back seat, no cooler box, and lighter wheels?
Taking the transmission and differential gearings as posted above at face value, I calculated the following revs at the wheel vs revs at the engine using engine rpm divided by transmission gear ratio divided by differential gear ratio. Unless I got the calculation wrong (do not think so and my xls skills are good) and/or lower revs at the wheel for certain engine rpm is not helpful (I am sure it is helpful as Power and Torque at the wheels will be higher at lower rpm), the 8 speed with 3.31 differential is ahead of the 6 speed except for perhaps one more gear change to get to say 60 or 75mph. Bottomline there is little difference, eventhough the 8 speed should be faster, since a) the engine is the same and b) the weight and c) the aerodynamics (for as aero our 200's are...), so that is why it is very close in 0-60 and fuel economy.
I am sure I could have laid this out clearer as well, however enough effort on this. All in all the gearing on the 8 speed is more favorable then the 6 speed including less need to re gear when you go up in tire diameter. The 6 speed is still a great box as it has proven itself already.
I am sure I could have laid this out clearer as well, however enough effort on this. All in all the gearing on the 8 speed is more favorable then the 6 speed including less need to re gear when you go up in tire diameter. The 6 speed is still a great box as it has proven itself already.
| rpm | 6 speed first gear | 8 speed first gear |
| 1000 | 76.80 revs at the wheel | 63.07 revs at the wheel |
| 3000 | 230.41 revs at the wheel | 189.22 revs at the wheel |
| 5500 | 422.42 revs at the wheel | 346.90 revs at the wheel |
| rpm | 6 speed second gear | 8 speed second gear |
| 1000 | 130.49 revs at the wheel | 107.51 revs at the wheel |
| 3000 | 391.46 revs at the wheel | 322.54 revs at the wheel |
| 5500 | 717.68 revs at the wheel | 591.33 revs at the wheel |
| rpm | 6 speed third gear | 8 speed third gear |
| 1000 | 255.75 revs at the wheel | 164.19 revs at the wheel |
| 3000 | 767.26 revs at the wheel | 492.58 revs at the wheel |
| 5500 | 1406.65 revs at the wheel | 903.06 revs at the wheel |
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Love that first gear in the 8 speed. I wonder why the Tundra/Sequoia didn't get it or at least an option. Would have been a perceptible difference and probably would have sold more trucks to be honest. People had the notion the 2nd/2.5gen Tundra was severely outdated for a long time.
Maybe it's not as good for towing.
Do not see how towing can be worse with more gears (why 18 wheelers have much more gears) as long as you apply S6 or S5 to prevent continuous back and forth shifting at speed.
The 2016+ being slower is probably not as significant as the numbers make it out to be. Yes, they weigh slightly more and probably need a second shift to get to 60 mph. But the deeper gearing and more flexible ratios can make it more useful for laden work and off-road crawling. I'd be happy to have the 8.
I can tell you that it's noticeable when I'm behind 8 speed trucks with how much less they have to use their brakes than I do on declines.
IMO, the big miss in the Sequoia isn't the gearing, is the lack of a center diff. Had Toyota incorporated this it would be a viable 300 surrogate. Seems like an 'Overtrail' or 'Trailhunter' Sequoia package could fill in for the missing Wagon.
There may be some improved downshifting logic in response to braking in the 8spd. I can't say that from driving both that it stands out. Perhaps with cruise engaged it does this more.
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