What Did You Do with Your 80 This Weekend? (44 Viewers)

[GW Nugget]

Wow, and I thought OME 862 at 170/260 were pretty tough, but the dog is tougher yet at 180/320 for the rear.
Driving around town empty is pretty bumpy.

180/320 is even stiffer than 170/260.
those numbers are in pounds... lb by the way.
My rear HD Slinkies are 160/320 the Slinky Intermediate is 160/270.

 

[TRAIL TAILOR]

Wow, and I thought OME 862 at 170/260 were pretty tough, but the dog is tougher yet at 180/320 for the rear.
Driving around town empty is pretty bumpy.

It should be a bumpy ride. Your springs are designed to have a load and no doubt a noticeable stinkbug rake when unloaded. Load it to the designed rate and then comment on the ride and height. Otherwise it is an unfair comment in general on whatever the product is no matter who the manufacturer is.

Flex vs std coil springs are a different ride all together. Not to mention adding the designed weight load and a nice shock changes the ride even more. These particular springs are a heavy touring/overlanding springs (300+kg spring or 660#-1000+) Once I decide to release these they will be offered in lighter versions as well.

Most complaints I see and hear about about on rough suspensions are usually because they are not being used for the designed use.

A few years back I got in a guys 80 and I felt like I was on the Oregon Trail in a chuck wagon with 4 busted wheels. I asked what he was running and when the tale was over he had extra heavy coils, NOT because of the loads he was carrying, but because he wanted more lift....

Suspensions are one of the most important components to a build. All aspects have to be accounted for to make it work to your favor and comfort. If you spend 800$ on a kit... don't expect it to ride and perform like a 2500$ kit. If you dislike your suspension, you're not going to like your rig for long. Think twice and spend once. I understand the want and sometimes need to change things up, been there and done it too many times to count. But, it will be at a cost one way or another in the end.

J

 

[KWalkerM]

These tires WILL NOT see another trip! They will be replaced with new ones soon!



Me too.



It still has full air pressure, LOL.

This is the third KM2 that's done this to me. The first one was at lower speed, the second was changed before it 'de-treaded", and this was by far the worst experience. I'm pretty sure it's just age and extreme use (airing up & down, rocks & logs, etc) that have caused it.

Hey, no rolling!!! Thats my job glad that turned out alright. I am going to have to watch that since im running km2s on the new rig

 

[KWalkerM]

Congrats! I know exactly where you got that 80 and exactly where it's PO bought those front seats. Do you live in the local area?

Haha sort of, we met up in lakes basin this summer man! I organize that trip in the hills or used to before passing it off this year. Im jumping around like 3 different locations right now

 

[GW Nugget]

Well guys the R&D extended travel aka TOUR FLEX springs set up has arrived.

SPRINGS- 75mm lift are made with XK5 German spring steel, fronts- 17mm and rears- 19mm wire diameter.

Fronts are 545-535mm with a rate of 180-270LB/"
Rears are 555-545mm with a rate of 180-320LB/"

545mm = 21.4567" which is .25" taller than an OME 850J front. What is the specs on the shocks?

With the rates at F. 180/270lb & R. 180/320 that is a set up for a heavy rig. Will TD offer a lighter duty coil?

Just for reference my Slinky F. 160/260 & R. HD 160/320 the intermediate rear is 160/270

Please give a link to your vender mud thread or .com store.

Just to let all know I'm a strong believer in the dual rate coils for an 80 series. Welcome to the 21st Century. I choose the Slinkies for the longer down travel, but I will always be PRO dual rate no matter the brand.
We now have OME, Icon, Slinky & Tuff Dog in the game.

 

[Dragos80]

It should be a bumpy ride. Your springs are designed to have a load and no doubt a noticeable stinkbug rake when unloaded. Load it to the designed rate and then comment on the ride and height. Otherwise it is an unfair comment in general on whatever the product is no matter who the manufacturer is.

Flex vs std coil springs are a different ride all together. Not to mention adding the designed weight load and a nice shock changes the ride even more. These particular springs are a heavy touring/overlanding springs (300+kg spring or 660#-1000+) Once I decide to release these they will be offered in lighter versions as well.

Most complaints I see and hear about about on rough suspensions are usually because they are not being used for the designed use.

A few years back I got in a guys 80 and I felt like I was on the Oregon Trail in a chuck wagon with 4 busted wheels. I asked what he was running and when the tale was over he had extra heavy coils, NOT because of the loads he was carrying, but because he wanted more lift....

Suspensions are one of the most important components to a build. All aspects have to be accounted for to make it work to your favor and comfort. If you spend 800$ on a kit... don't expect it to ride and perform like a 2500$ kit. If you dislike your suspension, you're not going to like your rig for long. Think twice and spend once. I understand the want and sometimes need to change things up, been there and done it too many times to count. But, it will be at a cost one way or another in the end.

J

180/320 is even stiffer than 170/260.
those numbers are in pounds... lb by the way.
My rear HD Slinkies are 160/320 the Slinky Intermediate is 160/270.

Thank you both for clarifying this issue.

Jason, I made an observation, not a negative criticism of the coils or your post.

I run 862 in the rear, no third row, no OEM tire carrier, but a heavy Sean-built rear bumper with a 33" spare on it.
It is a rough ride, but I like stiffer suspension setups since I hate body roll during turns.
Seeing the rate of the rear TD brought up a visceral reaction, thinking about how the car would run empty or near empty.

A rate of 320 lb would rattle my brain pretty good. I wouldn't go that far with my setup. Nothing more than the current 260 lb rate would make sense in my case. It is very rare that I load her up with people or "stuff".

The reason I asked initially was regarding my curiosity about an even softer spring rate. I am at a point at which I am debating if my stiff suspension makes a lot of sense according to my driving habits and needs.

 

[TRAIL TAILOR]

545mm = 21.4567" which is .25" taller than an OME 850J front. What is the specs on the shocks?

With the rates at F. 180/270lb & R. 180/320 that is a set up for a heavy rig. Will TD offer a lighter duty coil?

Just for reference my Slinky F. 160/260 & R. HD 160/320 the intermediate rear is 160/270

Please give a link to your vender mud thread or .com store.

Just to let all know I'm a strong believer in the dual rate coils for an 80 series. Welcome to the 21st Century. I choose the Slinkies for the longer down travel, but I will always be PRO dual rate no matter the brand.
We now have OME, Icon, Slinky & Tuff Dog in the game.

As stated, yes, these are heavy coils and I will offer lighter springs if I decide I want to continue on with this. I requested that these springs be made and Tough Dog had them made for me to test and R&D. The springs in the pictures are the only ones in existence right now, besides the 2 pair that went through testing at the Tough Dog facility. I can say that setting up the bar peeler for the tapered ends and setting up the machine for just 4 pair of coils is not cheap...

I'll post the shock lengths when I get back in the shop tomorrow.

J

 

[TRAIL TAILOR]

Thank you both for clarifying this issue.

Jason, I made an observation, not a negative criticism of the coils or your post.

I run 862 in the rear, no third row, no OEM tire carrier, but a heavy Sean-built rear bumper with a 33" spare on it.
It is a rough ride, but I like stiffer suspension setups since I hate body roll during turns.
Seeing the rate of the rear TD brought up a visceral reaction, thinking about how the car would run empty or near empty.

A rate of 320 lb would rattle my brain pretty good. I wouldn't go that far with my setup. Nothing more than the current 260 lb rate would make sense in my case. It is very rare that I load her up with people or "stuff".

The reason I asked initially was regarding my curiosity about an even softer spring rate. I am at a point at which I am debating if my stiff suspension makes a lot of sense according to my driving habits and needs.

I wasn't taking it as criticism at all, sorry if I came across that way. I have just run into more and more people that don't understand the whole spring to load concept in general and was posting more for educational and experience based purposes.

In fact, if you put these on your current rig they would beat the hell out of you, IMO. I run very heavy rigs and most people I know do as well.

If I go into production with these I'd like to make a "light" spring say in the 0-300 kg or 0-660# range.

J

 

[Dragos80]

I wasn't taking it as criticism at all, sorry if I came across that way. I have just run into more and more people that don't understand the whole spring to load concept in general and was posting more for educational and experience based purposes.

In fact, if you put these on your current rig they would beat the hell out of you, IMO. I run very heavy rigs and most people I know do as well.

If I go into production with these I'd like to make a "light" spring say in the 0-300 kg or 0-660# range.

J

I might add some sliders and skid plates at some point in the future, so a high load rate, might make more sense then than it does now.
Maybe I'll just put the third row back in for a better ride feel.
Also contemplating about an OBA system sitting right on the original spare tire carrier somehow.

 

[orttauq]

So the V8 swap continues, this weekend the custom aluminum radiator w/20" fan went in:

Exhaust run also completed (Borla Pro XS), snug fit under the newly installed auxiliary fuel tank:

Pictures like this should not be allowed!! Some of us have mortgages.

 

[Bryanfzj80]

I was bored at work and i put this together.

 

[bj70_guy]

Accuride 400 lb locking slides

plus piece of plywood = fridge slide

 

[landheaven]

I was bored at work and i put this together.

So fun. Where is that?

 

[Dragos80]

I was bored at work and i put this together.

I like this trail more than the rocky one on Gold Mountain.

 

[TRAIL TAILOR]

I might add some sliders and skid plates at some point in the future, so a high load rate, might make more sense then than it does now.
Maybe I'll just put the third row back in for a better ride feel.
Also contemplating about an OBA system sitting right on the original spare tire carrier somehow.

Easy and cheap way to test is to go grab a few bags of play sand from the LHS. Find the perfect weight and design and build from there.

Just my .02

J

 

[Dragos80]

Easy and cheap way to test is to go grab a few bags of play sand from the LHS. Find the perfect weight and design and build from there.

Just my .02

J

That's funny.
Today I wanted to see what the effect of a second battery would have on the right side of the car. I don't want to bother pulling a battery out of a different car so I will ask my son to stand on the front bumper.

 

[TRAIL TAILOR]

That's funny.
Today I wanted to see what the effect of a second battery would have on the right side of the car. I don't want to bother pulling a battery out of a different car so I will ask my son to stand on the front bumper.

You'd be surprised at what I've used for modeling weight..... I used to know the exact weight of a case of Bud Light in both bottles and cans....

J

 

[Bryanfzj80]

So fun. Where is that?

Pilot rock trail its just north of silverwood lake off of the 173.

 

[Bryanfzj80]

I like this trail more than the rocky one on Gold Mountain.

Lol i still liked gold mountain alot but if u ever want to come try this trail lmk im always in there this trail is close to my home

 

[jtwopark]

Thank you both for clarifying this issue.

Jason, I made an observation, not a negative criticism of the coils or your post.

I run 862 in the rear, no third row, no OEM tire carrier, but a heavy Sean-built rear bumper with a 33" spare on it.
It is a rough ride, but I like stiffer suspension setups since I hate body roll during turns.
Seeing the rate of the rear TD brought up a visceral reaction, thinking about how the car would run empty or near empty.

A rate of 320 lb would rattle my brain pretty good. I wouldn't go that far with my setup. Nothing more than the current 260 lb rate would make sense in my case. It is very rare that I load her up with people or "stuff".

The reason I asked initially was regarding my curiosity about an even softer spring rate. I am at a point at which I am debating if my stiff suspension makes a lot of sense according to my driving habits and needs.

make it simple, just put some fox shocks on!