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Earlier models of the LX570 had a towing rating of 8500lbs. I forget the reduction reasoning for the later models.
Tinker's latest brutal review of LC250 (2 Viewers)
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Indeed they did. The reasoning doesn't matter - the rating is the rating. The majority of LX570s on the road are only rated to tow 7000 lbs - which is hardly "full fat" ... a hybrid LC250 with half the cylinders tows only 1k lbs less. And the new "reduced fat?" GX Prado tows 2000 lbs(!) more.
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SanJuanJ
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Forums where ppl jump in to piss on other peoples vehicle choices are weird.
its not some other persons buying choice, its the poor attempt that Toyota did/presented to us for a bean counter marketing scheme 'the land cruiser is back'
its confused, does nothing great, is saddled with afterthought hybrid systems that add uncecessary cost and complexity, has far too much plastic and low haning panels, for some reason the thought we wanted 3 different headlight styles, when all we want is the 300 (all the trim levels) and some version of the 70 series. Vehicles that Toyota already made and had the capacity to send to the USA.
We already had/have 6 or more midsize, crossover, hybrid, high strung, softer roaders to choose from in the Yota catalog.
I can appreciate someone who hauls heavy s*** around in there vechile, I use mine like work horses lol, you may have convinced me to get a 200, The Black hole of the 200 is what appeals to me the most, I believe jetboys' spot on about the tires and increasing payload so all that's left is the lacking ''black hole'' factor but adding more payload alone might be enough to feel satisfied on hauling trips. The inverter on the 250 LC is fire though, I would really really miss not having that inverter, I think you can retro fit an inverter into a 200 but not nearly as strong as 2400w boondocking in a 200 would be HOT as balls here in TX unless you kept the engine running overnight. where as the 250 the engine kicks off and the AC keeps going for awhile then the engine kicks on and off to recharge the battery it's actually quite cool that it does that not to mention the ability to recharge things and never having to maitenace/lug around a seperate generator, I often wonder if that alone outweighs the black hole/payload ability the 200 has for me... Hmm. But that sweet sweet tailgate ohhh buddy many a good beers and tools could be placed there. I don't think you can go wrong with either choices. both have their strengths the 200 can't keep me cool during a hot texas night boondocking unless that v8 is on ALL night. pros and cons pros and cons.. I may have to own both...
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What?
Again, I can’t believe I’ve wasted time with this thread. Damn it, let the people that know EVERYTHING know EVERYTHING!
I think, again this is what I think, you’re someone who loves what you drive. Again, I’m glad you enjoy and love what you have, I don’t care what you have. It’s yours, you drive it, you think it’s the bees knees because you paid someone to make it what you wanted, or maybe you’re one of those that does all his own work. Frankly, don’t believe that whopper, but hey I don’t know you.
Enjoy what you read, enjoy your opinion. Hope you live a happy and full life Tinker posted his opinion, you agree! Good for you both, and anyone else that agrees.
I don’t happen to agree with the video or his conclusions and I will continue to vomit when I see a new 4Runner, laugh when I see a sagging old LX, GX, 200, 100 and really appreciate the ones that still look good but get 9 mpg because of all the mods.
You’re the man, I’m a fool. Or….. maybe we just have different ideas of why and what we drive and the uses for such. Whichever. Have a good day in your righteousness
There’s definitely a sense of elitism here and gatekeeping energy it's fine though I think it's dying down and folks are starting to accept the LC250 as a proper light duty Land Cruiser. as a true LC fan I appreciate all of'em for their own reasons. That's why I stuck around because I've got the spirit of a true cruiserhead and some of you are armed to the teeth with useful wisdom/information you've aquired over the decades. I just hope more join the bandcamp of accepting each cruiser for their own merits and stop picking on the little brother cruiser so much. the station wagon is the Flagship Land Cruiser the 70 and 250 are Land Cruisers. all for one and one for all. suprisingly some folks really don’t share this view which sucks. The loudest critics usually seem like the ones trying hardest to divorce the ligh duty Land Cruisers ''thats not a land cruiser that's a prado'' first off there's no such thing as ''just a prado'' their is however such thing as a Land Cruiser Prado. And I don’t buy it when they say that mindset started with Toyota reintroducing the LC as a rebadged Land Cruiser Prad that attitude was around long before that. Each shine for their own reasons. like I said the station wagon is the flagship LC. Be Happy with that. the other two are Land Cruisers. It sucks that there's an entire different forum for newer cruisers and I wonder if that exist because of the elitism found here and it drove them away. I wonder...
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I agree with the sentiment to "enjoy what works for you" but on an internet forum it's inevitable you're going to get some comparisons and spirited debates. I also think that while very opinionated, @TeCKis300 was being respectful and open minded until someone chimed in with a post in a harsher tone that confused some facts. He did say he likes the 250 for what it is, its just not for him, and the LX570 balances his needs better.
This is just ignorance talking. @TeCKis300 has done more to contribute to the wealth of knowledge in the 200 forum than perhaps any other member (maybe @turbo8). He's done many technical write-ups that have helped countless members, including myself, make the most of our trucks.
:edit: all that Fiat Panda talk got me a little randy. I wonder what it costs to import one?
This is just ignorance talking. @TeCKis300 has done more to contribute to the wealth of knowledge in the 200 forum than perhaps any other member (maybe @turbo8). He's done many technical write-ups that have helped countless members, including myself, make the most of our trucks.
:edit: all that Fiat Panda talk got me a little randy. I wonder what it costs to import one?
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Agreed,
This thread is about 8 pages of pointless information from "Prado Parrots" who have never driven a 250.
Its crazy going from the 80 series group to the 250 group pages, 80 series group is very technical and reserved, few pissing matches and the group members who post are actual owners. No haters or "Prado Parrots" repeating misinformation they heard from youtubers videos.
joseywales
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I stopped reading all the BS after a page and a half. The sheer volume of s***-talk from people that don’t own, and some of whom have never even sat in a 250 is beyond ridiculous. There are exactly 2 small things I don’t love about the 250, and that’s it. I’m getting 23 mpg out of mine (highway) with a 2” lift and 275/70R18 Toyo RT Trails on it. My 5.7 powered Tundra managed 11 mpg in similar circumstances. Once you actually live with the 250, it’s hard not to appreciate it for what it is, and also for what it isn’t.
All the 200 owners that are here pissing and moaning because they didn’t get the 300 can go back to the 200 section with all their unfounded negativity and mind their own business.
Seems like most "Prado Parrots" here on MUD are 200 owners - there's a few of them that are quite passionate. A couple of them must have took it too far and were banned.
To illustrate, this very thread was actually originally posted in the 200 series section. lol. The mods moved it here.
All the LC talk is well and good but can we go back to the Panda please?
www.fiat.com
Inject this directly into my veins.
Grande Panda 4x4: A Bold Reimagining of an Icon | Fiat COM
FIAT unveils the Grande Panda 4x4 concept: bold design, electrified all-terrain capability, and a vision of sustainable mobility rooted in heritage.
www.fiat.com
Inject this directly into my veins.
If you want Panda vibes here in the US snag yourself a 1st or 2nd gen Rav4 AWD with a 5 speed manual
says its all BS and then proceeds to compare apples to oranges to try and prove some point.
of course a 5.7 V8 huge full size pickup built for vastly different jobs/purposes than a 250 gets different MPGs
Thank you for knocking the BS down.
Thank you number 2 for summarizing the real causation of this barrage of threads comparing the 200s with Prados. All could have been avoided by Toyota simply adding "PRADO" to the back of the 250 and telling its customers, IDK...the truth i.e. we are NOT bringing the new Land Cruiser (300) to the US, BUT we will offer the LC Prado to you as a (confusing IMO) option to the new 6th gen 4Runner and GX550. Have at it.
OR, instead of investing billions and billions to create an entire new vehicle/niche (costs billions even with 'shared' parts), just send us vehicles that are already designed, being built, and fit into the lineup
just saved billions AND gave the people what they want
just saved billions AND gave the people what they want
I’m not buying it. That elitist gatekeeping attitude was around long before any naming confusion.
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There it is man the one and only Panda real true king suvAll the LC talk is well and good but can we go back to the Panda please?
Grande Panda 4x4: A Bold Reimagining of an Icon | Fiat COM
FIAT unveils the Grande Panda 4x4 concept: bold design, electrified all-terrain capability, and a vision of sustainable mobility rooted in heritage.
Inject this directly into my veins.
Haha, that looks kind of similar to a highschool project video I made featuring my mkiii supra, j-turns, handbrake and peeling out getting dirty to a techno soundtrack. I think I got a B.
Having something like this available for like US$25,000 would be a dream.
I'd have 3.
