Josh’s Cars of Japan reviews the LC250 (2 Viewers)

[Jetboy]

This confirms what I suspected. You have never actually owned a 200 and used on a daily basis. That is probably the reason you think a 4Runner and a 200 series have the same size. That’s absolutely not true. I own both of these vehicles and there is a sea of difference between the two. Quality of construction, quietness, comfort, engine, SIZE, on and on. At least now we know the source of our disagreement and why you have made various statements here that are simply unreal IMO.

Toyota says the 4Runner has more interior volume. You can argue with Toyota if you want. I'll take their word for it. I've also parked both side by side and compared. Toyota's calculation seems to match my eyes. They're both midsize SUVs with about 90 cubic feet of cargo volume. It's nonsensical to pretend otherwise. We all have tape measures and access to Toyota's spec sheets.

 

[Specialeyes]

Having owned both I do feel like the 5th gen has more usable cargo volume due to the second row folding flat and not having a third row. You can fit a lot back there and in a pinch use the roll down window feature as a sort of tailgate for some longer items. Other than that the 200 blows the 5th gen away in literally every other category. Comfort, power, towing, strength of frame and other parts, refinement and NVH as it should for costing twice as much. All that being said, when it comes to off road pursuits I do think the 5th gen is just as capable as the 200, and out of the box maybe better with approach/departure angles and a rear locker. But if I were on a expedition from Alaska to Argentina, give me the LC every time.

 

[MRego]

Toyota says the 4Runner has more interior volume. You can argue with Toyota if you want. I'll take their word for it. I've also parked both side by side and compared. Toyota's calculation seems to match my eyes. They're both midsize SUVs with about 90 cubic feet of cargo volume. It's nonsensical to pretend otherwise. We all have tape measures and access to Toyota's spec sheets.

Ok buddy. Keep telling yourself that. Ignore button activated. 2021 LC200 you are right on that.

 

[MRego]

due to the second row folding flat and not having a third row.

This is easily compensated by how much taller the 200 is, when compared to the 4Runner. Especially if you have a 2 row HE or if you just remove the 3rd row. There is no way a 4Runner has more interior volume than a 200series man.

 

[Specialeyes]

Mr Josh posted another video today covering his trip to the state fair here in Dallas and the annual car show out there. He goes back to beating on the 250 1958 regarding it's price and starts comparing it to a 5th gen in OR trim. While I agree that the base 1958 is a bit rich for what it offers his main argument is centered around the interior plastics and lack of nice bits inside and I would argue that the gap in price can be justified by the updated power train. I know that V6 is bullet proof but man it's a dog to drive and a noisy one at that.

 

[MRego]

but man it's a dog to drive and a noisy one at that.

I second that. I love my wife's 4 runner PRO. Using it in the city and short runs is very cool - TRD Exhaust sound and all. She also loves it. Things however take a bad turn when road tripping. It is definitely a dog, gear hunting all over and drooooning. After you drive the 200 v8 buttery smooth, it becomes unbearable to drive the Runner for long stretches.

 

[Jetboy]

Ok buddy. Keep telling yourself that. Ignore button activated. 2021 LC200 you are right on that.

Nothing to tell myself. If you can read and have the Internet you can look at Toyota's specs.

 

[2021 LC200]

The LC200 vs previous gen 4 Runner is to be exact 4.49 inch taller, 2.17 inch wider, 13.35 inch longer. This translates to a size bigger inside the vehicle. I can confirm having driven both that the seating position front and back is a lot roomier and the interior width considering the wide middle console significantly better. You can also see this when tall reviewers like Doug DeMuro sit in them and how much remaining clearance he has around him.

Same spoken the "bloated" comment regarding the 200 series is effectively based on nothing.

The 200 is the best of all worlds and the true King of All Roads and will always be. Or in Jetboy's logic the Emperor of All Roads. I will settle for that as well while I look down on Prado and 4 Runner owners...

 

[2021 LC200]

And for those looking at the 250 series rear seats

Or the 4 Runner.... You can see in his eyes he is real impressed...

Versus the 200 series, noting that the passenger seat is further back and more inclined already. It confirms the 250 and 4 Runner platforms are smaller inside, not a big deal but definitely not worth arguing about.

 

[2021 LC200]

Now as a friendly gesture to Jetboy, the Tundra is big and good value for money if a pickup is your thing. In fact Demuro is so impressed he puts his little dog in the middle console next...

And the rear is magnificent roomy as well + it has the awesome 3UR-FE. Good for you Jetboy!

 

[2021 LC200]

And just to make it complete, the 200 series vs the Tundra Crew Cab previous generation

Height actually similar to the real Land Cruiser and 1.93 inch wider

And a lot (25.35inch) longer, to the point it will not easily fit in quite a few garages or make it real cramped in there.

 

[Jetboy]

The 4r definitely should have had the 4.6v8. the 1gr although probably as reliable as the v8s, maybe more so, was not very smooth. And it was poorly matched with the 5 speed and 3.73 gears. But that might have killed the LC even sooner.

1GR also came in the lc200 and is the base engine in the 300. 1gr was also in the 70 series. I think it's the only engine to be in all land cruiser lines. But also def not worthy of the name!

I'm certainly not arguing that the 4Runner was better than the 200. It just should have been about $10k different from 4R to 200, not $30k.

 

[Jetboy]

The LC200 vs previous gen 4 Runner is to be exact 4.49 inch taller, 2.17 inch wider, 13.35 inch longer. This translates to a size bigger inside the vehicle. I can confirm having driven both that the seating position front and back is a lot roomier and the interior width considering the wide middle console significantly better. You can also see this when tall reviewers like Doug DeMuro sit in them and how much remaining clearance he has around him.

Same spoken the "bloated" comment regarding the 200 series is effectively based on nothing.

The 200 is the best of all worlds and the true King of All Roads and will always be. Or in Jetboy's logic the Emperor of All Roads. I will settle for that as well while I look down on Prado and 4 Runner owners...

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I guess Toyota doesn't know much about their products. Should we tell em?

 

[2021 LC200]

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I guess Toyota doesn't know much about their products. Should we tell em?

Well, I do not know how they measured but the dimensions I provided and the internal pictures and having sat in both are pretty clear. So you still insist the 4 Runner is the same size as the 200 including the important interior dimensions? Just the 200 being taller and the height of the seating surface from the ground makes a big difference. The 4 Runner is awkward low in my experience driving several AVIS rentals over the years.

Oh well, I guess another time I am happy to agree to disagree. Happy Tundra driving dude.

 

[Phillyd2]

Those using cargo space, MPG, ease of putting in child seats, etc. to compare are working overtime to miss the point.

 

[jmdaniel]

Now as a friendly gesture to Jetboy, the Tundra is big and good value for money if a pickup is your thing. In fact Demuro is so impressed he puts his little dog in the middle console next...

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And the rear is magnificent roomy as well + it has the awesome 3UR-FE. Good for you Jetboy!
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I thought you ignored him?

 

[GeoRoss]

The shark has been jumped.

 

[MRego]

I thought you ignored him?

I know I did...hahaha. It is just idiotic to argue that a 4runner is the same size (in or out) of a 200series.

 

[2021 LC200]

I know I did...hahaha. It is just idiotic to argue that a 4runner is the same size (in or out) of a 200series.

I showed all dimensions and internal pictures of the same tall car reviewer Doug Demuro and it’s right there. If anybody doubts than we should take actual leg room dimensions in a 200 and 4 runner and sort this out, not some Toyota numbers providing one dimension which suits them.

 

[Specialeyes]

I showed all dimensions and internal pictures of the same tall car reviewer Doug Demuro and it’s right there. If anybody doubts than we should take actual leg room dimensions in a 200 and 4 runner and sort this out, not some Toyota numbers providing one dimension which suits them.

Numbers aside when it comes to leg room/seating/comfort is it’s all very subjective to the individual. Personally I don’t like sitting in the second row of the 200 because the ingress under the driver/passenger seats kind of pins my toes down. I’m 5’10 with a slender/athletic build and never had that problem in any other vehicles back seat.