Tinker's latest brutal review of LC250 (5 Viewers)

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Lithium-ion batteries can be extremely reactive. Once an explosion is triggered, it proceeds very quickly, releases toxic gases, and is difficult to contain.

I can't comment on Tesla garage fires as much. However when it large concentrations of lithium batteries are present, they can cause catastrophic explosions.


Personally, I'm glad our hybrid has an old-school NiMH battery. I believe the LC250 does as well.
Isn't it a sort of positive-feedback reaction? Once one cell cooks off, it starts a cascade iirc.
 
Isn't it a sort of positive-feedback reaction? Once one cell cooks off, it starts a cascade iirc.
I will let a chemist/chemical engineer answer that one :). I know people who were evacuated from the Fire No. 3 area, so it's a bit close to home. I also have a friend who worked in lead-acid battery recycling. He noted that even a single lithium-ion battery - if it somehow made it into their process by accident - could react near instantly and cause a small fire/explosion.
 
you can make what I stated and still meet EPA demands
and a car that is easy/cheap to fix and can stay on the road longer is very 'green' as well
is it more 'green' to design a transmission to be rebuilt cheap/easy or to have to build an entire new car because a $10 part in a transmission 'totals' the car?
That is an ethos that needs re-introduction into mainstream culture! Stop by Angus Barn for me, I love that place 🤤 prime rib and sweet potato
 
FWIW - usually the term of art is "thermal runaway" and it happens in lithium batteries more often because they are significantly more energy dense. That combined with the chemical reactions of the battery components results in bad outcomes. Once the heat and discharge exceeds a critical point where one or more cells start to melt and decompose the chain of successive chemical reactions between the various components release flammable gasses and shortly in succession release oxygen. Since the combustible gasses and oxygen are both released together with a lot of heat - it's basically a self sufficient fire that will continue to restart and can't be smothered - super difficult to extinguish.

But - gasoline burns pretty well too and we've learned to manage it and make it safe. Don't put the gas tanks outside the frame rails. Put a firewall between the hot and flammable stuff and the people. That sort of thing. Lithium batteries should be very safe if the vehicle is engineered properly. In this case - I'd rather have a lithium battery that's smaller in size and mounted outside of the passenger cabin and properly waterproofed. The Ford powerboost is a better battery configuration.
 
Just for a fun comparison to where Toyota is putting a lot more effort into the products - the new Rav4 PHEV has 839 miles of combined range. 839 miles!! And 320hp.
Looks like it can tow a smoker too : )

I really like it, though in all honesty.

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