Thoughts From the 200 Crew On the LC250 Reveal (1 Viewer)

[Supra Turbo]

Reminds me of a quote I read somewhere that went something like a fool and their money will soon part. I paid $50k for mine and felt that was about right for what you got.

Then again maybe I’m a fool for paying nearly new MSRP for a used 200 series. At least I didn’t fork over 6 figures. That helps me sleep at night haha.

We paid over $65k for our 2013 LC in summer of 2021. The way I look at it, we bought a nearly new LC for about half of what '21s were selling for at the time with similar miles. And 3 times less than a '21 G550, the only vehicle I would put in the same sentence as an LC200. So I stand by my choice and think it was worth every penny. That said, at the end of the day, its one vehicle I could see paying six figues for.. still 2/3 of a G wagen

 

[TeCKis300]

They are special but they aren’t $70k TRd PRO special. lol on those idiots paying those prices.

I paid $26k for my 07 V8 4Runner new in January 2008 and it is still a cooler car than the new ones.

Right?! I had an '06 V8 4x4 4Runner and it was like a muscle SUV. Stuffed with the big boy drivetrain from the 100-series into Yota's smallest body on frame SUV.

My parents had an '06 GX470 and it was evident then how much better the GX was than the 4R even with a shared a drivetrain and chassis. KDSS, better switchgear, way more comfort, no less capability, etc. Which speaks to the awakening of GXOR and all the overland built GXs you see today. The new GX550 and LC250 only speaks to the goodness of the current GX/Prados. And maybe just a bit that the current gen V8 GXs might still be better than these new fangled LC250 4-bangers? I gotta give some credit to the more efficient drivetrain if they're going to see numbers in the high 20 MPGs.

 

[TheHighlander]

Know what? Take one look underneath the 250 is all you need to know. That in addition to the modular platform that Toyota has now made all SUVs off of. The new 4R will be based off it too.

What are your thoughts on the LC300 / LX600 in terms of robustness, since they share some of said platform elements with other recently revised Toyota products?
Asking as a 100 series owner. My plan is to eventually add a late model LC200 to the fleet here..

 

[xeuxaz]

What are your thoughts on the LC300 / LX600 in terms of robustness, since they share some of said platform elements with other recently revised Toyota products?
Asking as a 100 series owner. My plan is to eventually add a late model LC200 to the fleet here..

Same platform hardly means what has been implied by most Internet forums, Reddit, YouTube etc. They might share seatbelts and a steering column. Everyone seems to think the Taco, Tundra, Seq, and LC will be the same truck.

 

[Gr8Daneger]

I finally figured out the perfect use for the Prado 250!

For my daughter when she turns 16 in a few years

 

[Land Caesar]

I finally figured out the perfect use for the Prado 250!

For my daughter when she turns 16 in a few years

Yeah it’s useless for Overlanding

 

[Romer]

I watched that video about the Land Cruiser experience. I still get the experience when I drive my 40 and it has none of those toys. My 80 didnt have any of them. I used the turn assist on my 200 once to see and decided I didnt like it. I have a front locker in my 200 but don't use it. I do use the rear locker. I don't really notice any benefit from the MTS. I am sure it is there, but I wouldn't miss it if gone. I also power brake a lot which deactivates the Auto-Trac

I guess I am old school and like to be in control of the vehicle rather than the vehicle in control of me

I did find the video interesting.

Still leaning towards the GX550 Overtrail based on towing capability. However, not running out to buy either one now or for at least a couple of years. My 200 still has less than 100K miles on it and could likely last my lifetime. I am in no hurry, just excited there are options for the future. By the time I am ready, there will be plenty of real world data for me to review.

 

[shelby95]

Same here. I will miss the stealth wealth aspect of it for sure.

As far as exclusivity goes it’s less of a thing for me living in DFW. On my block alone there are 5 cruisers carrying the Toyota badge. (3 200’s including mine and a couple 100’s) Go just a mile or two out and I can show you 80’s, 60’s, and I even know of a 40 not too far away. Add in the dozens upon dozens of LX’s around here and ya, I see at least one other cruiser out there nearly every time I’m on the road.

Lakewood?

 

[Nothinghead]

I watched that video about the Land Cruiser experience. I still get the experience when I drive my 40 and it has none of those toys. My 80 didnt have any of them. I used the turn assist on my 200 once to see and decided I didnt like it. I have a front locker in my 200 but don't use it. I do use the rear locker. I don't really notice any benefit from the MTS. I am sure it is there, but I wouldn't miss it if gone. I also power brake a lot which deactivates the Auto-Trac

I guess I am old school and like to be in control of the vehicle rather than the vehicle in control of me

I did find the video interesting.

Still leaning towards the GX550 Overtrail based on towing capability. However, not running out to buy either one now or for at least a couple of years. My 200 still has less than 100K miles on it and could likely last my lifetime. I am in no hurry, just excited there are options for the future. By the time I am ready, there will be plenty of real world data for me to review.

I remember seeing it reading somewhere that Toyota even said MTS/CRAWL are for “less experienced drivers to use the full potential of the vehicle” or something like that. I imagine most of the older wheelers on here have little use for the new gadgetry.

Yes, I called you old @Romer.

 

[Romer]

Yes, I called you old @Romer.

I am old

 

[TheHighlander]

Same platform hardly means what has been implied by most Internet forums, Reddit, YouTube etc. They might share seatbelts and a steering column. Everyone seems to think the Taco, Tundra, Seq, and LC will be the same truck.

Right, agree there has been distortion of what that means - I meant the TNGA-F platform structural components that Toyota has stated will underpin their medium and large body-on-frame vehicles going forward. When I look at some of the LC300 threads on there, especially ones focused on crash outcomes, I am thinking how the LC300 compares durability-wise to past LCs like 200 and 100 series -- and how much of that can be attributed to LC300 being made to use a shared TNGA-F platform.

 

[TeCKis300]

Right, agree there has been distortion of what that means - I meant the TNGA-F platform structural components that Toyota has stated will underpin their medium and large body-on-frame vehicles going forward. When I look at some of the LC300 threads on there, especially ones focused on crash outcomes, I am thinking how the LC300 compares durability-wise to past LCs like 200 and 100 series -- and how much of that can be attributed to LC300 being made to use a shared TNGA-F platform.

Don't get confused that TNGA-F means same parts. The news media gets lots of blame for this misunderstanding.

TNGA-F is family of ideas, commonality of constructs, shared architectures, shared designs in sub-systems, electrical, engine, etc. That does not mean exact same part numbers. TNGA platforms is expansive and it underpins the whole new generation of Toyotas portfolio well beyond just trucks. Sure, there will be parts sharing across the whole lineup where components can meet requirements. But there will definitely be different parts for models that require higher capacity, duty cycle, or tailoring for requirements.

The LC300 will have a bespoke chassis, major structural components, and suspension components that is different from the 250.

Even in the current 200-series, there's architectural and platform commonality to the Tundra, Sequoia, even 150-series and 120-series.

 

[TheHighlander]

Don't get confused that TNGA-F means same parts. The news media gets lots of blame for this misunderstanding.

TNGA-F is family of ideas, commonality of constructs, shared architectures, shared designs in sub-systems, electrical, engine, etc. That does not mean exact same part numbers. TNGA platforms is expansive and it underpins the whole new generation of Toyotas portfolio well beyond just trucks. Sure, there will be parts sharing across the whole lineup where components can meet requirements. But there will definitely be different parts for models that require higher capacity, duty cycle, or tailoring for requirements.

Thanks for the clarification! Is there a resource that provides a list or even better some visualization of components shared / distinct between vehicles using TNGA-F? I've read some Toyota Press Releases on TNGA-F for global body-on-frame vehicles and even there it isn't really clearly spelled out. I'm sure the LC250 will be a quality vehicle regardless. I still plan to eventually get an LC200 in Lexus guise. Just prefer the V8.

 

[TeCKis300]

Thanks for the clarification! Is there a resource that provides a list or even better some visualization of components shared / distinct between vehicles using TNGA-F? I've read some Toyota Press Releases on TNGA-F for global body-on-frame vehicles and even there it isn't really clearly spelled out. I'm sure the LC250 will be a quality vehicle regardless. I still plan to eventually get an LC200 in Lexus guise. Just prefer the V8.

That's probably only known by mother Toyota. We can glean some of that detail through parts references to see where there are shared part numbers.

 

[OGBeno]

That's probably only known by mother Toyota. We can glean some of that detail through parts references to see where there are shared part numbers.

This is the designer of the TNGA-F platform. Formerly Toyota's Robotics Division chief.

It's in Japanese but worth the translation. Three parts.

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[stonepa]

Think of the 200 series as a w140 s class (except more reliable obviously)

In terms of body and interior fit (maybe not necessarily finish compare to 300 as the 300 is nicer inside ) but in terms of how tightly everything inside feels screwed together on the body and interior, 200 series is king.

I won't talk about the frame/mechanicals because the 300 seems to be equal (and even better in some aspects). Long term is still yet to be known though...

I am just saying how everything is packaged together.

Does this mean i would rather daily drive a 200 vs a 300? Never.

The 300 is more capable off road and miles better to drive but it is also not perfect. No land cruiser has been really.

I think some aspects of this can be applied to 200 vs 250.

I think the 200 will attract a certain type of buyer in the future though and actually have a strong cult following (probably looking down at 250 cruisers) ....and can you blame them?

The 250 will be all over the roads like the 4Runner but in the US the 200 will never be that common and just get rarer.

Hey now, my 1992 500SEL is still blasting the freeways here in Seattle. I’ve had it 31 years - zero regrets and other than needing a replacement steering rack at 100k miles has been 100% reliable. That car is a prime example of ‘they don’t build them like they used to”.

That was my first expensive car. And still the best.

 

[Brown98LC]

Hey now, my 1992 500SEL is still blasting the freeways here in Seattle. I’ve had it 31 years - zero regrets and other than needing a replacement steering rack at 100k miles has been 100% reliable. That car is a prime example of ‘they don’t build them like they used to”.

That was my first expensive car. And still the best.

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They called this generation s class ( the Phantom/ghost) in the Middle East.

 

[Girl Dad of 3]

Weighing in here as a recent 200 series (2020 LX) purchaser that contemplated getting a GX 550 or LC 250.

It depends what you are buying the vehicle for. If you want something built like a tank that will go anywhere and last forever, it has to be the 200. The new GX and LC 250 are not remotely in the same class as the older models.

However, I would not want the 200 as a daily driver. Old tech, gas mileage, size and weight. For daily driving and light duty, i would consider leasing not buying the new GX or LC. It’s a nice looking vehicle that can handle that kind of work well.

With that said, however, the things that have distinguished the Land Cruiser nameplate are the former qualities. If you’re not getting that rugged durability, strength, and go-anywhere-do-anything, you’re not getting the best of an LC. There are plenty of other options that can do what a GX 550 or LC 250 can do, and perhaps better.

For a high tech daily driver light duty lease, an Audi Q7 or Genesis GV80 (and many other vehicles) can do what the GX and LC do.

Bottom line; If you want a real land crusher, get a 200 series. If you want a nice SUV and like the look and feel of the GX / LC 250, it’s a fine choice but there are a lot of good options in that space.

 

[Supra Turbo]

Weighing in here as a recent 200 series (2020 LX) purchaser that contemplated getting a GX 550 or LC 250.

It depends what you are buying the vehicle for. If you want something built like a tank that will go anywhere and last forever, it has to be the 200. The new GX and LC 250 are not remotely in the same class as the older models.

However, I would not want the 200 as a daily driver. Old tech, gas mileage, size and weight. For daily driving and light duty, i would consider leasing not buying the new GX or LC. It’s a nice looking vehicle that can handle that kind of work well.

With that said, however, the things that have distinguished the Land Cruiser nameplate are the former qualities. If you’re not getting that rugged durability, strength, and go-anywhere-do-anything, you’re not getting the best of an LC. There are plenty of other options that can do what a GX 550 or LC 250 can do, and perhaps better.

For a high tech daily driver light duty lease, an Audi Q7 or Genesis GV80 (and many other vehicles) can do what the GX and LC do.

Bottom line; If you want a real land crusher, get a 200 series. If you want a nice SUV and like the look and feel of the GX / LC 250, it’s a fine choice but there are a lot of good options in that space.

A GX550 has nearly the same gas mileage (when factoring in premium gas), size and weight.

 

[krice118]

Weighing in here as a recent 200 series (2020 LX) purchaser that contemplated getting a GX 550 or LC 250.

It depends what you are buying the vehicle for. If you want something built like a tank that will go anywhere and last forever, it has to be the 200. The new GX and LC 250 are not remotely in the same class as the older models.

However, I would not want the 200 as a daily driver. Old tech, gas mileage, size and weight. For daily driving and light duty, i would consider leasing not buying the new GX or LC. It’s a nice looking vehicle that can handle that kind of work well.

With that said, however, the things that have distinguished the Land Cruiser nameplate are the former qualities. If you’re not getting that rugged durability, strength, and go-anywhere-do-anything, you’re not getting the best of an LC. There are plenty of other options that can do what a GX 550 or LC 250 can do, and perhaps better.

For a high tech daily driver light duty lease, an Audi Q7 or Genesis GV80 (and many other vehicles) can do what the GX and LC do.

Bottom line; If you want a real land crusher, get a 200 series. If you want a nice SUV and like the look and feel of the GX / LC 250, it’s a fine choice but there are a lot of good options in that space.

Just here to say leasing is dumb.