Thoughts From the 200 Crew On the LC250 Reveal (2 Viewers)

[Specialeyes]

oh wow...that was just from what i read on the net...that is is bad. Yikes. And here i thought my LC suck at range.

I have a 200 series on a mild lift and 275/75/18’s. My problem is it see’s a lot of stop and go traffic and city driving. I did stretch a tank to 300 on the highway when I was driving home with it.

I’m really excited about the prospect of 27 combined on the 4cyl hybrid 250.

 

[Gr8Daneger]

I keep going over in head what would have made me jump on a new 250 instead of opting to keep my 200 for the foreseeable future.

• Split Tailgate- Toyota saw how upset everyone was with the change in the 300 and could have easily made the change on the 250. Yes, I know the the Prado never had a split tailgate, but the 250 is apparently a “real” LC in the states.
• 3rd Row- believe it or not I still use my 3rd row with all my kids and their friends, not having a 3rd row option is a no go for me. Even the GX Overtrail is 2 row only, if I could bring myself to buy a Lexus to begin with.
• Engine- say what you want about how capable a hybrid T4 is, it just doesn’t belong in the LC, it’s a Tacoma /4R engine. At least use the Turbo 6 in the GX, that way you have room for the 3rd row and better towing.

Now, I believe had Toyota done these simple 3 things they would have converted many 100/200 owners into a tighter model. Size is still up in the air for me being 6’4” and 275 lbs whether I even fit in the 250.

 

[Nothinghead]

If the hybrid LC come with the 22 gal ICE Prado fuel tank, it’s got to be better than 280 mile range.

For the highlander, the hybrid tank is almost the same capacity as the v6 (17.2 v 17.9) so they may be able to give it pretty excellent range.

 

[rscoleman]

What I think is interesting the new LC300/LX600 rides on TNGA-F global truck platform. The Tundra now is based on this platform along with Sequoia. The GX??? and LC250 are on version of TNGA-F platform. The 2024 Tacoma and eventually the 4Runner are also going to be on this TNGA-F platform.

The Upscale models are getting full time 4wd with 4 high and 4 low and locking center diff. The next level seems to bee full time 4wd with 4 high and 4 low, locking center diff and rear axle locker selectable. The next version is RWD with locking center diff for 4x4 high and low and possible rear axle locker selectable.

All in all this is kind of cool. The thing I am liking the most is that new Tacoma will have 2.4turbo hybrid engine with 6speed manual 4x4, locking rear diff. In 4door truck with 5 and maybe 6 foot bed. If some time after 2024 I need to replace my T100 for some reason my next truck is ready and waiting.

 

[777Gage]

What year is the Wrangler? If it is an earlier model year JL I know they had steering vibration kinks that they had to work out.

A neighbor has the new 392 V8 top spec trim, I'll admit to being very impressed with its capabilities, but like you said time will tell how durable they are once they hit 100K miles and beyond. Climbing underneath it though, that Rubicon model looked pretty stout as far as Wranglers go -- damn well better be for nearly $90k.

J250 seems like a solid replacement for the 2.0 Turbo or V6 Wrangler though.

Yep it's a 2019 JL - it was a lease return with 19k miles. Didn't track straight at all, researched the issue and fixed it. Super clean still looks brand new underneath.

But I don't trust any of their products - I had to Lemon Law a brand new Grand Cherokee in 1998 - both axles replaced twice, transmission replaced 4 times, fuel sending unit 4 times, radio replaced. All started at 18k miles

Walked over to the Toyota dealership and never looked back. (until this JL....) But it's a temporary stop until the LC250 is available

 

[18Cruiser]

I don't hate the looks, but prefer the 200's.

I see the use case for torque and lighter/smaller body.

Long and short, I will be keeping my 2018 for the foreseeable future. However, if it were to meet a tramatic ending I would give the 250 serious consideration.

 

[LCH21]

But I don't trust any of their products - I had to Lemon Law a brand new Grand Cherokee in 1998 - both axles replaced twice, transmission replaced 4 times, fuel sending unit 4 times, radio replaced. All started at 18k miles

Wow! I had a similar experience with a 1997 Grand Cherokee Larado with the Up-Country suspension and 5.2L V8. First re-build of the rear axle came at 12,000 miles (while on vacation) and it went down hill from there. Front and rear axles re-built 4 times each, trans rebuilt at 140,000 miles, five sets of brake rotors, four power steering pumps, air conditioner leak that could not be found - had to refill every two weeks, four water pumps, three steering stabilizers, front passenger window would roll itself down randomly, headlights would shut off when dimming from high beam, steering column groaned when turned, roof leaked at roof rack bolts, alarm failed, ABS failed at 8,000 miles. Never fixed that as it stopped better in snow without it. Limited slip failed, twice. Two fuel sending units - replaced under recall. At 240,000 miles, I donated it to Cars for Kids. Everything that had a fluid was leaking and all suspension bushings needed replacement - for the second time, and much of the electronics were failing. I took seven vacations in the GC and only two were completed without spending several days in a shop getting something fixed. Last trip was in August 2003. Got a 2004 4Runner Sports Edition V8 in Nov. 2003. Loved that 4Runner. That Grand Cherokee was the second and last Jeep I'll ever own. Yes, I am stupid. I did not learn from having a 1978 CJ7 Golden Eagle with the 304 V8. What a POS that was too.

As for the 250, I wish it had other engine / drive-train options as the Bronco. So far, it appears as a cross between a 4Runner and a RAV4, with a little bit of Highlander thrown in. Maybe I am off base with that but that is how I feel as of now. I don't have an issue with it being a hybrid, it's just I don't think a high-strung turbo 4-banger is going to be as reliable as the larger, less stressed engines.

Last time at the Toyota dealer for the 35,000 mile service, a salesman tried to convince me to trade in my LC on a Grand Highlander, touting how wonderful it was and how it had all the new electronic gee-whiz gadgetry that my LC did not have. I gave him a look and he stopped talking. What was he going to do? Give me two of them for my LC?

 

[Brown98LC]

Think of the 200 series as a w140 s class (except more reliable obviously)

In terms of body and interior fit (maybe not necessarily finish compare to 300 as the 300 is nicer inside ) but in terms of how tightly everything inside feels screwed together on the body and interior, 200 series is king.

I won't talk about the frame/mechanicals because the 300 seems to be equal (and even better in some aspects). Long term is still yet to be known though...

I am just saying how everything is packaged together.

Does this mean i would rather daily drive a 200 vs a 300? Never.

The 300 is more capable off road and miles better to drive but it is also not perfect. No land cruiser has been really.

I think some aspects of this can be applied to 200 vs 250.

I think the 200 will attract a certain type of buyer in the future though and actually have a strong cult following (probably looking down at 250 cruisers) ....and can you blame them?

The 250 will be all over the roads like the 4Runner but in the US the 200 will never be that common and just get rarer.

 

[burnthestatus]

Think of the 200 series as a w140 s class (except more reliable obviously)

In terms of body and interior fit (maybe not necessarily finish compare to 300 as the 300 is nicer inside ) but in terms of how tightly everything inside feels screwed together on the body and interior, 200 series is king.

I won't talk about the frame/mechanicals because the 300 seems to be equal (and even better in some aspects). Long term is still yet to be known though...

I am just saying how everything is packaged together.

Does this mean i would rather daily drive a 200 vs a 300? Never.

The 300 is more capable off road and miles better to drive but it is also not perfect. No land cruiser has been really.

I think some aspects of this can be applied to 200 vs 250.

I think the 200 will attract a certain type of buyer in the future though and actually have a strong cult following (probably looking down at 250 cruisers) ....and can you blame them?

The 250 will be all over the roads like the 4Runner but in the US the 200 will never be that common and just get rarer.

Fit/finish of LX600 is very far inferior than LX570, so I'm assuming same applies to 300. So disappointing to me.

 

[Brown98LC]

Fit/finish of LX600 is very far inferior than LX570, so I'm assuming same applies to 300. So disappointing to me.

So you better bet that 250 fit and finish will be nowhere as good as the 300 let alone the 200...

Anyway the 250 wasn't made to have better fit and finish than a 200 I guess since it's a cheaper vehicle so there's that.

Will still be a fun daily.

 

[brandent1]

Think of the 200 series as a w140 s class (except more reliable obviously)

In terms of body and interior fit (maybe not necessarily finish compare to 300 as the 300 is nicer inside ) but in terms of how tightly everything inside feels screwed together on the body and interior, 200 series is king.

I won't talk about the frame/mechanicals because the 300 seems to be equal (and even better in some aspects). Long term is still yet to be known though...

I am just saying how everything is packaged together.

Does this mean i would rather daily drive a 200 vs a 300? Never.

The 300 is more capable off road and miles better to drive but it is also not perfect. No land cruiser has been really.

I think some aspects of this can be applied to 200 vs 250.

I think the 200 will attract a certain type of buyer in the future though and actually have a strong cult following (probably looking down at 250 cruisers) ....and can you blame them?

The 250 will be all over the roads like the 4Runner but in the US the 200 will never be that common and just get rarer.

But they’re saying the new LC here will be in “limited numbers”? Am I mis-remembering?

 

[Specialeyes]

But they’re saying the new LC here will be in “limited numbers”? Am I mis-remembering?

Maybe “limited” compared to their other models. The First Edition alone is supposed to ship 5000 units. Assuming the base and regular trims get at least the same there is 15k right there. Already 5x as many cruisers as the 200.

 

[Supra Turbo]

Maybe “limited” compared to their other models. The First Edition alone is supposed to ship 5000 units. Assuming the base and regular trims get at least the same there is 15k right there. Already 5x as many cruisers as the 200.

Good for Toyota as a company, but definitely makes the vehicle less special. People want what they can't have. Hopefully it won't become the next 4Runner TRD in terms of numbers at every corner. In 2015 it was somewhat exciting to see one on the street, now its like seeing a tree.

 

[04UZJ100]

Good for Toyota as a company, but definitely makes the vehicle less special. People want what they can't have. Hopefully it won't become the next 4Runner TRD in terms of numbers at every corner. In 2015 it was somewhat exciting to see one on the street, now its like seeing a tree.

It will. That’s exactly what Toyota wants. They milked the 120 4Runner platform for over 20 years with literally no mechanical changes.

I’ll keep my 200s, 100, and 4Runner V8 which is quite special and unique.

 

[Land Caesar]

I Had a 40,80,100 and then bought a new Sienna with a plan for a good used 200 next.

My Sienna 4cyl non turbo hybrid has approximately 1/2 the HP and Torque of the new 250. Fully loaded to the hill with Hundreds of lbs of cargo , a cargo box on top and carrier on rear, full of passengers…. it Doesn’t try very hard at 70mph up long inclines. It can tow 3,000 lbs just fine.

As I started to look at the 200 series used purchase prices and the mpg, with high miles… I like many others, are contemplating the new 250 “Land Cruiser.” I say Land Cruiser because a Prado is a Land Cruiser. Just look at the Gx460 “Prado” , it’s very much like a 100 series.

More importantly… I compare this new model to an improvement over the 100 series. More HP and More Torque with similar size.

It isn’t a replacement for the 200… and not meant to be. It’s a Good vehicle with a change. The “change” is the problem.

If they offered this with the 6cyl…. It would be the best… or One if the best designs from many enthusiasts.

I think Toyota Gave us a Fuel Efficient Cruiser, as they see the next 10-20 years of fuel prices Sky rocketing.

Haters Drink the Haterade… why? Just go buy a Gx 550?

This new 250 is my Choice over the Awesome 200.

Nothing wrong with more Offroad Body on Frame Toyotas out there!

Ps
Mr Ts Hybrid Technology is Rock solid , add to that Reliability of the Land Cruiser and you have a Modern Cruiser “Lite” for those that don’t require the Lx 600 or Gx 550 or a ………….Used 200 series.

 

[brandent1]

I Had a 40,80,100 and then bought a new Sienna with a plan for a good used 200 next.

My Sienna 4cyl non turbo hybrid has approximately 1/2 the HP and Torque of the new 250. Fully loaded to the hill with Hundreds of lbs of cargo , a cargo box on top and carrier on rear, full of passengers…. it Doesn’t try very hard at 70mph up long inclines. It can tow 3,000 lbs just fine.

As I started to look at the 200 series used purchase prices and the mpg, with high miles… I like many others, are contemplating the new 250 “Land Cruiser.” I say Land Cruiser because a Prado is a Land Cruiser. Just look at the Gx460 “Prado” , it’s very much like a 100 series.

More importantly… I compare this new model to an improvement over the 100 series. More HP and More Torque with similar size.

It isn’t a replacement for the 200… and not meant to be. It’s a Good vehicle with a change. The “change” is the problem.

If they offered this with the 6cyl…. It would be the best… or One if the best designs from many enthusiasts.

I think Toyota Gave us a Fuel Efficient Cruiser, as they see the next 10-20 years of fuel prices Sky rocketing.

Haters Drink the Haterade… why? Just go buy a Gx 550?

This new 250 is my Choice over the Awesome 200.

Nothing wrong with more Offroad Body on Frame Toyotas out there!

Ps
Mr Ts Hybrid Technology is Rock solid , add to that Reliability of the Land Cruiser and you have a Modern Cruiser “Lite” for those that don’t require the Lx 600 or Gx 550 or a ………….Used 200 series.

If I had never owned or driven a 200 series, I’d probably write something similar to this.

 

[04UZJ100]

There are people who see a car as an appliance and those that see a Cruiser as one of the most over built and durable trucks on the road. They appreciate the fact that it has always been in a league of its own from everything Toyota and on the road.

The 250 is not the latter. Period.

 

[Land Caesar]

If I had never owned or driven a 200 series, I’d probably write something similar to this.

If I didn’t know… about the 250 or drive it…I’d respond like that

I’ve driven the 200 plenty

 

[Land Caesar]

There are people who see a car as an appliance and those that see a Cruiser as one of the most over built and durable trucks on the road. They appreciate the fact that it has always been in a league of its own from everything Toyota and on the road.

The 250 is not the latter. Period.

How do you know this?

Where is that information documented?

Or is this Simply Hyperbole and Opinion?

 

[04UZJ100]

How do you know this?

Where is that information documented?

Or is this Simply Hyperbole and Opinion?

Know what? Take one look underneath the 250 is all you need to know. That in addition to the modular platform that Toyota has now made all SUVs off of. The new 4R will be based off it too.