This is probably going to be very unliked, but this is just like my opinion man. This is my issue with the LC250 (1 Viewer)

[jayp2]

Lets be honest here

There's huge demand in the US for Bronco/Wrangler pattern vehicles......2-door, 4-door etc......to the order of 2000 vehicles sold each month.

The solution that makes sense and is profitable would be for Mr T to continue to make 4R a success in the US with a theme and variation upgrade for G6

What they SHOULD have done with the LC reboot was to bring a new/update 70 series into the US for debut to compete with Ford/Jeep.......its literally guaranteed sales that far out strip the numbers of 250's they will ever sell in the US.

Lets talk "Heritage"......an updated 74 pattern with a removeable roof/2 door and a 4 door 76-ish pattern vehicle.

They would sell every vehicle they could produce if it competed with Jeep/Bronco

 

[Phillyd2]

They WILL sell every vehicle as released they will now produce.

But it is funny that what was once minority views that was considered blasphemy has now become mainstream. Welcome to fellow heretics

 

[dbbowen]

Lets be honest here

There's huge demand in the US for Bronco/Wrangler pattern vehicles......2-door, 4-door etc......to the order of 2000 vehicles sold each month.

The solution that makes sense and is profitable would be for Mr T to continue to make 4R a success in the US with a theme and variation upgrade for G6

What they SHOULD have done with the LC reboot was to bring a new/update 70 series into the US for debut to compete with Ford/Jeep.......its literally guaranteed sales that far out strip the numbers of 250's they will ever sell in the US.

Lets talk "Heritage"......an updated 74 pattern with a removeable roof/2 door and a 4 door 76-ish pattern vehicle.

They would sell every vehicle they could produce if it competed with Jeep/Bronco

dude were never going to get a 70 series here. Theres no point in even dreaming about it haha. solid axle 250 would have been literally perfect for the american market. There is nothing here that is a wagon and solid axle, it would have been the only thing with no competition. Solid axle off road ready wagon you can camp in and drive to work on monday that has a factory warrandy and good sound deadening would be sooooo good.

 

[dbbowen]

I think if you snowboard, but still say "apres-ski" then Lexus will let you buy a GX so you should be good.

Im in my mid 30s now, and ive been snowboarding since the 3rd grade. I learned what apres meant literally this winter. I also learned that people dont just bring airline bottles of booze in their jackets and buy alcohol for 400% markup on the mountain. Mind blown

 

[TurbodreamZ]

Does anyone know of the frame on the LC is any stronger than the 4Runner?

 

[Specialeyes]

Lets be honest here

There's huge demand in the US for Bronco/Wrangler pattern vehicles......2-door, 4-door etc......to the order of 2000 vehicles sold each month.

The solution that makes sense and is profitable would be for Mr T to continue to make 4R a success in the US with a theme and variation upgrade for G6

What they SHOULD have done with the LC reboot was to bring a new/update 70 series into the US for debut to compete with Ford/Jeep.......its literally guaranteed sales that far out strip the numbers of 250's they will ever sell in the US.

Lets talk "Heritage"......an updated 74 pattern with a removeable roof/2 door and a 4 door 76-ish pattern vehicle.

They would sell every vehicle they could produce if it competed with Jeep/Bronco

I was honestly against this idea a few months ago but now that the dust has settled and we know what the full line up of TNGA-F vehicles looks like I actually think cooking up a North American version of the 70 to bring here to the states may have worked on paper. But if I put my Toyota Corporate hat on I am then considering costs to develop and bring a 70 up to our standards for emissions, safety, technology, etc. Let's say they hypothetically did all of that. I think we still would have ended up with a 4R/250 equivalent in terms of frame/chassis/powertrain/bells and whistles, etc. just with 70 series styling and with all of this it still would have landed somewhere in that $58k to $70k price bracket because of the badge. TNGA-F for better (or worse) has really blurred the lines of Toyota's body on frame truck/SUV segment.

 

[jayp2]

dude were never going to get a 70 series here. Theres no point in even dreaming about it haha. solid axle 250 would have been literally perfect for the american market. There is nothing here that is a wagon and solid axle, it would have been the only thing with no competition. Solid axle off road ready wagon you can camp in and drive to work on monday that has a factory warrandy and good sound deadening would be sooooo good.

You're also not going to get a solid front axle vehicle out of Mr T

If Toyota's goal was to sell more vehicles then they would be offering something to compete with the 2000 vehicles that Jeep and Ford sell every single month and have for years on end.

The LC doesnt even fit into the GR offerings for enthusiasts.....

Suffice it to say.....the motivation behind the LC250 offering is at best unclear.....

 

[jayp2]

I was honestly against this idea a few months ago but now that the dust has settled and we know what the full line up of TNGA-F vehicles looks like I actually think cooking up a North American version of the 70 to bring here to the states may have worked on paper. But if I put my Toyota Corporate hat on I am then considering costs to develop and bring a 70 up to our standards for emissions, safety, technology, etc. Let's say they hypothetically did all of that. I think we still would have ended up with a 4R/250 equivalent in terms of frame/chassis/powertrain/bells and whistles, etc. just with 70 series styling and with all of this it still would have landed somewhere in that $58k to $70k price bracket because of the badge. TNGA-F for better (or worse) has really blurred the lines of Toyota's body on frame truck/SUV segment.

If Jeep and Ford can do it and hit a price point.....then you know that Toyota could as well

Its a matter of choosing to do so.

The global 70 is due for a major update......that means R&D.....why not make inroads into the US market?

Japan is being offered a new 70 series this year too

 

[Banandalorian]

Im in my mid 30s now, and ive been snowboarding since the 3rd grade. I learned what apres meant literally this winter. I also learned that people dont just bring airline bottles of booze in their jackets and buy alcohol for 400% markup on the mountain. Mind blown

and those people buy new Lexuses...it all makes perfect sense

 

[Jeremy556]

Does anyone know of the frame on the LC is any stronger than the 4Runner?

No one knows for sure, but there is no reason it would be. Exact same capacities, dimensions, powertrains, towing, etc.

 

[M1911]

I guess. I just put it in 4hi when it snows. Then when i want to have fun I put it in 2 high. drifting an open diff full time 4wd sucks. The power is always constantly hunting for the tire with the least traction. Driving is a lot of fun to me. Full time 4wd removes some of that fun

1) in snow a part-time 4wd system gets worse traction than a full time system. When you go around a corner, a parttime system has more wheel slip than a full time system due to the fact that the front and rear driveshafts must turn at the same speed while the front and rear of the vehicle take different length paths around the corner.

if you want a Torsen system to behave like a part time system, you just lock it and now the front and rear driveshafts turn at the same speed.

2) when it snows around here you are often changing from snow covered to wet pavement to dry pavement and back. A full time system seamlessly handles those changing conditions with no need to shift into or out of 4wd.

3) in rainy conditions a full time system has excellent traction. In a part time system you are in RWD during rain and thus have less traction.

4) yes, I drifted RWD cars in the snow on public roads when I was an irresponsible teenager. I’m no longer an irresponsible teenager and no longer do irresponsible things on public roads. Furthermore, drifting a RWD sports car with a manual transmission is a far different prospect than drifting a top-heavy, 5,000 lb, SUV with an automatic transmission— you can’t just depress the clutch.

 

[Specialeyes]

My 200 was my first experience driving a full time 4WD vehicle and I definitely felt the improvement of it in the rain versus any RWD vehicle I previously owned. Just more planted, less washout. Tires make a big difference here as well but having had Wildpeak AT3W’s on my current 200 and my previous 4R I would still give the edge in rain and snow handling to the one with full time 4WD. Also if you’re drifting anywhere outside of a track or some type of closed trail or course you’re a moron.

 

[Specialeyes]

If Jeep and Ford can do it and hit a price point.....then you know that Toyota could as well

Its a matter of choosing to do so.

The global 70 is due for a major update......that means R&D.....why not make inroads into the US market?

Japan is being offered a new 70 series this year too

Wasn’t the 70 just “updated” though? They announced the new model at the same time as the 250. I watched some guys YouTube review of one last night and it’s still a VERY basic, VERY old truck compared to everything on sale here in the states.

 

[TexasHusker]

The new LC isn't really an LC, just like the FJ Cruiser wasn't an LC.

THIS is a LC:

 

[Patassa]

dude were never going to get a 70 series here. Theres no point in even dreaming about it haha. solid axle 250 would have been literally perfect for the american market. There is nothing here that is a wagon and solid axle, it would have been the only thing with no competition. Solid axle off road ready wagon you can camp in and drive to work on monday that has a factory warrandy and good sound deadening would be sooooo good.

Niche but Grenadier?

 

[jayp2]

Wasn’t the 70 just “updated” though? They announced the new model at the same time as the 250. I watched some guys YouTube review of one last night and it’s still a VERY basic, VERY old truck compared to everything on sale here in the states.

It got updates as per review published in AU, It got a new motor iirc

But yes, it was pretty minor updates

Still solid axles etc but I believe they added some of the additional safety bs

To me, the simplicity is the attraction.....and most Jeep/Bronco owners I know feel the same.

If it were up to me I'd leave it as is and keep churning out minor varients to satisfy various markets and save the R&D

But I suspect it will sell better in the US with updated/better riding suspension than a dual solid axle rig

Lots of folks however claim that the 70 is due for a redesign.......personally I think its a waste of R&D

Sell what you go and can produce on existing machinery

 

[Rednexus]

The new LC isn't really an LC, just like the FJ Cruiser wasn't an LC.

THIS is a LC:

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Did not know the LX600 came in Nori too. Awesome color, will make a great off-road rig for someone 10-15 years from now .

 

[GatorBait1551]

Did not know the LX600 came in Nori too. Awesome color, will make a great off-road rig for someone 10-15 years from now .

It's gonna make a great offroad rig for someone this year. Custom lx600 builds! - https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/custom-lx600-builds.1326108/post-15415683

 

[Jetboy]

The LX is a strange product. Functionally - it's a highlander with less useful interior and worse highway manners. It serves no purpose as it is sold in the USA to me other than conspicuous consumption. Technically somewhere under that 7 inches of ground clearance and compact SUV size interior is the bones of an adventuremobile. But it isn't really anything like what I think of as core Land Cruiser. They're practically never used for it during the first 10 years of life. It's cool that it exists. But it's not a product that does anything very well. Out fo the box it's roughly on par with a Rav4 Adventure. And it really doesn't do what I think of as Land Cruiser stuff very well.

 

[prwillard2]

It got updates as per review published in AU, It got a new motor iirc

But yes, it was pretty minor updates

Still solid axles etc but I believe they added some of the additional safety bs

To me, the simplicity is the attraction.....and most Jeep/Bronco owners I know feel the same.

If it were up to me I'd leave it as is and keep churning out minor varients to satisfy various markets and save the R&D

But I suspect it will sell better in the US with updated/better riding suspension than a dual solid axle rig

Lots of folks however claim that the 70 is due for a redesign.......personally I think its a waste of R&D

Sell what you go and can produce on existing machinery

70 just got redesigned in 2023/2024. Absolutely zero chance they come in to the US. You've got an HZJ77 per your signature, only way to get the 70s is to import one that's 25 years old.

The 70s in Oz and around the globe are just as expensive as the GX550 and new 250. They'd sell like absolute dog s***e in the USA.

Vinyl seats, manuals, no diesel (toyota is never bringing their diesels in, let's get real), like riding a covered wagon.

The 70 isn't made for US roads/trails/etc. American's are too stupid to realize it's not always a race to get somewhere.