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I have (and had) several landcruisers, and now have added a '25 LC250. The 250 seems to be quite polarizing within the community, and I thought I would offer up my opinions as it compares to other models (and 4runners).

My background:
I've owned my '77 FJ40 since 1990, bought when I lived in Gilbert Arizona. In addition to this I (currently) own two 100 series and one 200 series. Gone but not forgotten are an FJ60 and an FJ62. I traded a 2018 4runner in on the 250.


Notes for each:
Love the short wheelbase '40 for wheeling. Spent 5 years wheeling it stock out west, but modified it for longer trips when I came back east. It now has reverse shackle, a 350TBI, NV4500, and 4.88 Air Lockers.

I really enjoyed my FJ60 and FJ62 experiences, I wish I had not sold them. Those may be my favorites in hindsight.

The 2001 100-series is great for around town and short trips, and is a candidate for engine swap someday. Love the 100 series styling. It does not have a map screen, the climate controls are not tied into the computer, and the dash allows for standard sized radios/gps screen.

The 2003 is a much better travel rig with the overdrive transmission, but mine has given me trouble with the electronics. To keep the heat/air/radio working I have had to replace the gps screen twice, and they are getting hard to find. You can't really get around these type issues unless you convert it to manual controls. Not trivial.

The 2016 200 series is a nice vehicle with more power, but frankly my least favorite. The exterior styling doesn't look good/unique to me, and the interior is more about leather and wood than I care for. It doesn't have much of a soul. It gets around 10mpg with me driving.

The 4runner was an ok vehicle, we put 85k miles on it, but felt a bit like a sardine can and I had to wring the neck on the 6 cylinder to make it go. I found the seats to be on the uncomfortable side.


Other vehicles considered:

We considered the new 4runner and the GX550. The new 4runner styling didn't move me and the interior room felt like the older 4runner, maybe even smaller in the drivers seat. We were not able to drive a GX550 with adaptive suspension, that was the main selling point for us.


Things I like about the 250:

One thing I like most about the 250 include the hybrid motor. WIth 450+ ft-lbs of torque peaking at 1700 rpm, if you close your eyes you could be driving a well sorted diesel. It has tons more power than the 4runner it replaced, and is more responsive at all speeds than my gas 200. Being my first hybrid, it is a *little* quirky, but not enough to really notice. The hybrids that are tuned for max mpg's are much more quirky (I was once *upgraded* to a prius on a rental car).

I would say the ride is much better than the 4runner, and on par with the lc200. Firm, but not harsh. Very enjoyable to me. We were wanting to try out the GX550 with the adaptive suspension, but after driving the 250 we decided to stop waiting for a GX we could test.

The electronics are neat, but to be honest I haven't figured them out completely. I have turned off some of the "assist" features.

On paper the interior space is similar to the 4runner, and smaller than the 200. This is pretty misleading in my opinion, as the 250 feels much bigger inside. The footbox is more comfortable but the headroom is where the real difference is. The roof is taller and gives the perception of room everywhere. I feel that the 250 is comparable to the 250 when driving.

Although it is a bit odd for some inexplicable reason, I sure like the camera rear view mirror when I have lots of dogs in the car.

I find the driver and passenger seats to be very comfortable. I really like that the drivers seat moves down and away when the car is turned off.


Things I don't like:

Frankly, there aren't many. The battery box in the rear cargo area raises the floor height. This does suck with my two large aging dogs, and in general when loading stuff in the rear. But isn't going to be that big of a deal in the long run, we will adapt to it.

I will need to spend more time learning all the bells and whistles of the electronics before I can judge them. Right now I have uttered some expletives until I researched what needed to be done.

I don't like that the side mirrors rotate down when the car is in reverse.

Conclusions:

I am happier with the 250 than I am with the 200. I am *much* happier with it than the 4runner, and I think this would be the case with the latest generation. I read a lot of negative posts about the 250, most people seem to want to make the landcruiser more luxurious. I understand the appeal of a big gas guzzling luxury behemoth, but that isn't me. I am the guy who always lusted after the simple smaller landcruisers that the rest of the world could get.
 
I have (and had) several landcruisers, and now have added a '25 LC250. The 250 seems to be quite polarizing within the community, and I thought I would offer up my opinions as it compares to other models (and 4runners).

My background:
I've owned my '77 FJ40 since 1990, bought when I lived in Gilbert Arizona. In addition to this I (currently) own two 100 series and one 200 series. Gone but not forgotten are an FJ60 and an FJ62. I traded a 2018 4runner in on the 250.


Notes for each:
Love the short wheelbase '40 for wheeling. Spent 5 years wheeling it stock out west, but modified it for longer trips when I came back east. It now has reverse shackle, a 350TBI, NV4500, and 4.88 Air Lockers.

I really enjoyed my FJ60 and FJ62 experiences, I wish I had not sold them. Those may be my favorites in hindsight.

The 2001 100-series is great for around town and short trips, and is a candidate for engine swap someday. Love the 100 series styling. It does not have a map screen, the climate controls are not tied into the computer, and the dash allows for standard sized radios/gps screen.

The 2003 is a much better travel rig with the overdrive transmission, but mine has given me trouble with the electronics. To keep the heat/air/radio working I have had to replace the gps screen twice, and they are getting hard to find. You can't really get around these type issues unless you convert it to manual controls. Not trivial.

The 2016 200 series is a nice vehicle with more power, but frankly my least favorite. The exterior styling doesn't look good/unique to me, and the interior is more about leather and wood than I care for. It doesn't have much of a soul. It gets around 10mpg with me driving.

The 4runner was an ok vehicle, we put 85k miles on it, but felt a bit like a sardine can and I had to wring the neck on the 6 cylinder to make it go. I found the seats to be on the uncomfortable side.


Other vehicles considered:

We considered the new 4runner and the GX550. The new 4runner styling didn't move me and the interior room felt like the older 4runner, maybe even smaller in the drivers seat. We were not able to drive a GX550 with adaptive suspension, that was the main selling point for us.


Things I like about the 250:

One thing I like most about the 250 include the hybrid motor. WIth 450+ ft-lbs of torque peaking at 1700 rpm, if you close your eyes you could be driving a well sorted diesel. It has tons more power than the 4runner it replaced, and is more responsive at all speeds than my gas 200. Being my first hybrid, it is a *little* quirky, but not enough to really notice. The hybrids that are tuned for max mpg's are much more quirky (I was once *upgraded* to a prius on a rental car).

I would say the ride is much better than the 4runner, and on par with the lc200. Firm, but not harsh. Very enjoyable to me. We were wanting to try out the GX550 with the adaptive suspension, but after driving the 250 we decided to stop waiting for a GX we could test.

The electronics are neat, but to be honest I haven't figured them out completely. I have turned off some of the "assist" features.

On paper the interior space is similar to the 4runner, and smaller than the 200. This is pretty misleading in my opinion, as the 250 feels much bigger inside. The footbox is more comfortable but the headroom is where the real difference is. The roof is taller and gives the perception of room everywhere. I feel that the 250 is comparable to the 250 when driving.

Although it is a bit odd for some inexplicable reason, I sure like the camera rear view mirror when I have lots of dogs in the car.

I find the driver and passenger seats to be very comfortable. I really like that the drivers seat moves down and away when the car is turned off.


Things I don't like:

Frankly, there aren't many. The battery box in the rear cargo area raises the floor height. This does suck with my two large aging dogs, and in general when loading stuff in the rear. But isn't going to be that big of a deal in the long run, we will adapt to it.

I will need to spend more time learning all the bells and whistles of the electronics before I can judge them. Right now I have uttered some expletives until I researched what needed to be done.

I don't like that the side mirrors rotate down when the car is in reverse.

Conclusions:

I am happier with the 250 than I am with the 200. I am *much* happier with it than the 4runner, and I think this would be the case with the latest generation. I read a lot of negative posts about the 250, most people seem to want to make the landcruiser more luxurious. I understand the appeal of a big gas guzzling luxury behemoth, but that isn't me. I am the guy who always lusted after the simple smaller landcruisers that the rest of the world could get.
Well written and clearly thought out. I embrace the PRADO thing; I could be wrong, but the first PRADO was a 70-series if I am not mistaken.

There is nothing really mall crawler about the LC 250 other than measuring metal thickness, CV axles, rear axle tube, etc. Pretty sure the 200-series never came with a rear locker or sway bar disconnect either. None of the 70-series I have worked with or owned had port injected NA V8 engines either. People get very worked up over titles, especially Toyota people.

I have many small LC 250 complaints, though it is a very good SUV and a true Land Cruiser if that even matters. Ground clearance is an issue, as is door thunk, and other barely perceptible quality hallmarks, but hey, it is a PRADO and not a Lexus. Should quality be better, I think so though I was not willing to spend the money on a loaded GX550 Overtrail + and still have quality gripes. I was also afraid of GX550 engine failure (luckily does not seem to be a thing).

Appreciate your grounded perspective of the LC 250 compared to the other Toyotas you have owned/own.
 
Pretty sure the 200-series never came with a rear locker or sway bar disconnect either.
It doesn't need a sway bar disconnect - it has KDSS as does the GX550 (e-KDSS)
 
I think most other markets besides North America it could be optioned at least
Good point, and my 76 FJ40 did not have a rear locker either; guess maybe it was not a real Land Cruiser either :rofl:

It's all just kind of silly splitting hairs over "real" and "light duty," "fake,""non-robust" Land Cruiser badged vehicles.
 

I hope my reply didn't come of as snarky. My opinion is based on Dan Edmunds' articulation test for both the 200 series and the Toyota version of the 250 with the sway bar disconnect and the 200 scored better. That is my only metric.

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I hope my reply didn't come of as snarky. My opinion is based on Dan Edmunds' articulation test for both the 200 series and the Toyota version of the 250 with the sway bar disconnect and the 200 scored better. That is my only metric.

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Not at all, and I am not trying to make a point at your expense. Just having fun with all the emotions wrapped up in what is and is not considered a "real" Land Cruiser. My last off roader was an Xterra so I find the badge protection arguments hilarious.
 
Unfortunately, mine doesn't seem to have a middle position.
Sorry, yeah. I realized I said that wrong when I got in my cruiser again.
There’s not a middle position, you just push again on the one that’s lit up so neither are lit up.
 
I have (and had) several landcruisers, and now have added a '25 LC250. The 250 seems to be quite polarizing within the community, and I thought I would offer up my opinions as it compares to other models (and 4runners).

My background:
I've owned my '77 FJ40 since 1990, bought when I lived in Gilbert Arizona. In addition to this I (currently) own two 100 series and one 200 series. Gone but not forgotten are an FJ60 and an FJ62. I traded a 2018 4runner in on the 250.


Notes for each:
Love the short wheelbase '40 for wheeling. Spent 5 years wheeling it stock out west, but modified it for longer trips when I came back east. It now has reverse shackle, a 350TBI, NV4500, and 4.88 Air Lockers.

I really enjoyed my FJ60 and FJ62 experiences, I wish I had not sold them. Those may be my favorites in hindsight.

The 2001 100-series is great for around town and short trips, and is a candidate for engine swap someday. Love the 100 series styling. It does not have a map screen, the climate controls are not tied into the computer, and the dash allows for standard sized radios/gps screen.

The 2003 is a much better travel rig with the overdrive transmission, but mine has given me trouble with the electronics. To keep the heat/air/radio working I have had to replace the gps screen twice, and they are getting hard to find. You can't really get around these type issues unless you convert it to manual controls. Not trivial.

The 2016 200 series is a nice vehicle with more power, but frankly my least favorite. The exterior styling doesn't look good/unique to me, and the interior is more about leather and wood than I care for. It doesn't have much of a soul. It gets around 10mpg with me driving.

The 4runner was an ok vehicle, we put 85k miles on it, but felt a bit like a sardine can and I had to wring the neck on the 6 cylinder to make it go. I found the seats to be on the uncomfortable side.


Other vehicles considered:

We considered the new 4runner and the GX550. The new 4runner styling didn't move me and the interior room felt like the older 4runner, maybe even smaller in the drivers seat. We were not able to drive a GX550 with adaptive suspension, that was the main selling point for us.


Things I like about the 250:

One thing I like most about the 250 include the hybrid motor. WIth 450+ ft-lbs of torque peaking at 1700 rpm, if you close your eyes you could be driving a well sorted diesel. It has tons more power than the 4runner it replaced, and is more responsive at all speeds than my gas 200. Being my first hybrid, it is a *little* quirky, but not enough to really notice. The hybrids that are tuned for max mpg's are much more quirky (I was once *upgraded* to a prius on a rental car).

I would say the ride is much better than the 4runner, and on par with the lc200. Firm, but not harsh. Very enjoyable to me. We were wanting to try out the GX550 with the adaptive suspension, but after driving the 250 we decided to stop waiting for a GX we could test.

The electronics are neat, but to be honest I haven't figured them out completely. I have turned off some of the "assist" features.

On paper the interior space is similar to the 4runner, and smaller than the 200. This is pretty misleading in my opinion, as the 250 feels much bigger inside. The footbox is more comfortable but the headroom is where the real difference is. The roof is taller and gives the perception of room everywhere. I feel that the 250 is comparable to the 250 when driving.

Although it is a bit odd for some inexplicable reason, I sure like the camera rear view mirror when I have lots of dogs in the car.

I find the driver and passenger seats to be very comfortable. I really like that the drivers seat moves down and away when the car is turned off.


Things I don't like:

Frankly, there aren't many. The battery box in the rear cargo area raises the floor height. This does suck with my two large aging dogs, and in general when loading stuff in the rear. But isn't going to be that big of a deal in the long run, we will adapt to it.

I will need to spend more time learning all the bells and whistles of the electronics before I can judge them. Right now I have uttered some expletives until I researched what needed to be done.

I don't like that the side mirrors rotate down when the car is in reverse.

Conclusions:

I am happier with the 250 than I am with the 200. I am *much* happier with it than the 4runner, and I think this would be the case with the latest generation. I read a lot of negative posts about the 250, most people seem to want to make the landcruiser more luxurious. I understand the appeal of a big gas guzzling luxury behemoth, but that isn't me. I am the guy who always lusted after the simple smaller landcruisers that the rest of the world could get.
We are very similar! In the driveway/barn are my 40’s,(73&76) 62’s,(88&88) 80,(95) 100,(05) 200(14) now 250(25) since February and I’ve put 1300 (all mine) miles so far. Starting to get use to it for sure. No regrets.

2024 2dr Bronco too (wife)
 
"Well written and clearly thought out. I embrace the PRADO thing; I could be wrong, but the first PRADO was a 70-series if I am not mistaken."

The 70 series was the successor to the 40 series and was split into 2 lineages: a leaf-sprung workhorse (heavy duty per Toyota) and a coil-sprung "light duty" version. I think the light duty 70 was originally called the Bundera, which was changed to Prado for the 1990 models.

When I was living in the States, the only Prado I saw were Lexus GX's, but now that I'm the UK, I see the appeal of Prados. Where a lot of people go wrong (I was one of them) is that 1) they have not driven a 250 and/or 2) they are comparing them to 80s, 100s, and 200s. Once I got over the naming scheme, I found the 250 to be a great vehicle in its own right. I'll add that I've driven the 2.8L diesel and the flat cargo area is really nice compared to the hybrid version.

 
Should quality be better, I think so though I was not willing to spend the money on a loaded GX550 Overtrail + and still have quality gripes.

This was my same feeling between the 550 ($84k) and the 250 ($68k).

I ended up with a 250 and have overall enjoyed it and the hybrid system (my first).

I never really enjoyed my 200. It was just so heavy feeling & lumbersome. My 5g 4R was just rough all around and I didn’t enjoy it at all. It had a steering wheel wobble that would not go away and drove me nuts.

The 250 feels like a super super nice 4R in its size, drives more spritely and is more nimble feeling. I really enjoy it, for the price point compared to the others.

I probably miss my 100 series the most, looking back I should have kept it.
 
The 250 feels like a super super nice 4R in its size, drives more spritely and is more nimble feeling.
IMO, you guys are correctly 👍getting the gist of it by comparing the 250 with the 4Runner (as an evolution) and stop the non-sense comparison with the 200 caused by Toyota and their marketing dept. :rolleyes:
 
IMO, you guys are correctly 👍getting the gist of it by comparing the 250 with the 4Runner (as an evolution) and stop the non-sense comparison with the 200 caused by Toyota and their marketing dept. :rolleyes:
I’ve always felt that way. It’s obvious a 150/250 is not a 200/300.
 
I have (and had) several landcruisers, and now have added a '25 LC250. The 250 seems to be quite polarizing within the community, and I thought I would offer up my opinions as it compares to other models (and 4runners).

My background:
I've owned my '77 FJ40 since 1990, bought when I lived in Gilbert Arizona. In addition to this I (currently) own two 100 series and one 200 series. Gone but not forgotten are an FJ60 and an FJ62. I traded a 2018 4runner in on the 250.


Notes for each:
Love the short wheelbase '40 for wheeling. Spent 5 years wheeling it stock out west, but modified it for longer trips when I came back east. It now has reverse shackle, a 350TBI, NV4500, and 4.88 Air Lockers.

I really enjoyed my FJ60 and FJ62 experiences, I wish I had not sold them. Those may be my favorites in hindsight.

The 2001 100-series is great for around town and short trips, and is a candidate for engine swap someday. Love the 100 series styling. It does not have a map screen, the climate controls are not tied into the computer, and the dash allows for standard sized radios/gps screen.

The 2003 is a much better travel rig with the overdrive transmission, but mine has given me trouble with the electronics. To keep the heat/air/radio working I have had to replace the gps screen twice, and they are getting hard to find. You can't really get around these type issues unless you convert it to manual controls. Not trivial.

The 2016 200 series is a nice vehicle with more power, but frankly my least favorite. The exterior styling doesn't look good/unique to me, and the interior is more about leather and wood than I care for. It doesn't have much of a soul. It gets around 10mpg with me driving.

The 4runner was an ok vehicle, we put 85k miles on it, but felt a bit like a sardine can and I had to wring the neck on the 6 cylinder to make it go. I found the seats to be on the uncomfortable side.


Other vehicles considered:

We considered the new 4runner and the GX550. The new 4runner styling didn't move me and the interior room felt like the older 4runner, maybe even smaller in the drivers seat. We were not able to drive a GX550 with adaptive suspension, that was the main selling point for us.


Things I like about the 250:

One thing I like most about the 250 include the hybrid motor. WIth 450+ ft-lbs of torque peaking at 1700 rpm, if you close your eyes you could be driving a well sorted diesel. It has tons more power than the 4runner it replaced, and is more responsive at all speeds than my gas 200. Being my first hybrid, it is a *little* quirky, but not enough to really notice. The hybrids that are tuned for max mpg's are much more quirky (I was once *upgraded* to a prius on a rental car).

I would say the ride is much better than the 4runner, and on par with the lc200. Firm, but not harsh. Very enjoyable to me. We were wanting to try out the GX550 with the adaptive suspension, but after driving the 250 we decided to stop waiting for a GX we could test.

The electronics are neat, but to be honest I haven't figured them out completely. I have turned off some of the "assist" features.

On paper the interior space is similar to the 4runner, and smaller than the 200. This is pretty misleading in my opinion, as the 250 feels much bigger inside. The footbox is more comfortable but the headroom is where the real difference is. The roof is taller and gives the perception of room everywhere. I feel that the 250 is comparable to the 250 when driving.

Although it is a bit odd for some inexplicable reason, I sure like the camera rear view mirror when I have lots of dogs in the car.

I find the driver and passenger seats to be very comfortable. I really like that the drivers seat moves down and away when the car is turned off.


Things I don't like:

Frankly, there aren't many. The battery box in the rear cargo area raises the floor height. This does suck with my two large aging dogs, and in general when loading stuff in the rear. But isn't going to be that big of a deal in the long run, we will adapt to it.

I will need to spend more time learning all the bells and whistles of the electronics before I can judge them. Right now I have uttered some expletives until I researched what needed to be done.

I don't like that the side mirrors rotate down when the car is in reverse.

Conclusions:

I am happier with the 250 than I am with the 200. I am *much* happier with it than the 4runner, and I think this would be the case with the latest generation. I read a lot of negative posts about the 250, most people seem to want to make the landcruiser more luxurious. I understand the appeal of a big gas guzzling luxury behemoth, but that isn't me. I am the guy who always lusted after the simple smaller landcruisers that the rest of the world could get.
That's a very helpful comparison between several Toyota products. Thank you for taking the time to write that up for the benefit of the rest of us.
 

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