Tell me how the LC250 1958 will survive after this (1 Viewer)

[rexington14]

Price killed the 200 more than anything (the Toyota version at least). Speaking of piling up on the lot I wonder what it was like back in the 2010's with Land Cruisers sitting on dealer lots. While there were probably few, I'm guessing they sat a loooooong time. An $85k... Toyota? lol. I bet they were parked out back by the service department garage bays. No way they'd be taking up valuable space out front next to all of the Corollas Camrys Rav4s and Tacomas.

GX460 was the luxury 4Runner with a V8 and it did quite well. I imagine the ~$25k+ increase in price up to an LX was an extremely tough sell for most regular folks.

 

[MRego]

You’re still whining about the 250 instead of just living your life and enjoying your 200 so it’s obviously a fair observation.

Oh I am living my life and enjoying my 200 more than you can imagine “buddy”. Don’t you worry about that. No need to get all worked up. If you don’t like the discussion there is a little button called “ignore”, press it and carry on with your life.

 

[MRego]

Price killed the 200 more than anything (the Toyota version at least). Speaking of piling up on the lot I wonder what it was like back in the 2010's with Land Cruisers sitting on dealer lots. While there were probably few, I'm guessing they sat a loooooong time. An $85k... Toyota? lol. I bet they were parked out back by the service department garage bays. No way they'd be taking up valuable space out front next to all of the Corollas Camrys Rav4s and Tacomas.

GX460 was the luxury 4Runner with a V8 and it did quite well. I imagine the ~$25k+ increase in price up to an LX was an extremely tough sell for most regular folks.

Agree. Toyota was cranking 4Runners like they are now 1958 Prados. The difference is the runners did not sit piling up. The 200 was totally niche.

 

[LX Cruiser]

The 4Runner already killed the 200. If it had been offered with a v8 I don't think the 200 would have made it to the 2016 refresh. I think it may also kill the 250. They may not be the same as the 200, but they're substitutes.

Yeah, for most people the 200 sits in this no-mans-land of not the best towing platform, still less than full size, still has a smallish 3rd row, yet costs an entire Toyota sedan’s price more than a 4Runner. Seems most people went with the 4Runner, or if they needed space, the Sequoia. But the Suburban probably outsold them all

Price killed the 200 more than anything (the Toyota version at least)

Hard to imagine a scenario where Toyota wouldn’t have 5-10x’d sales of the LC200 if they’d given us a cheaper base model option. They made it about the same price as the LX570, which makes no sense to me. Qatar gets a triple-locked cloth seats no sunroof 300 series for $55k. But both our 200 platforms had to be luxury’d out to the max. And now “poor sales” mean we don’t get the LC300.

Rather than give us a poverty pack model, Toyota chose instead to sell less than 4k per year for the entire 200 series run.

 

[Jetboy]

Price killed the 200 more than anything (the Toyota version at least). Speaking of piling up on the lot I wonder what it was like back in the 2010's with Land Cruisers sitting on dealer lots. While there were probably few, I'm guessing they sat a loooooong time. An $85k... Toyota? lol. I bet they were parked out back by the service department garage bays. No way they'd be taking up valuable space out front next to all of the Corollas Camrys Rav4s and Tacomas.

GX460 was the luxury 4Runner with a V8 and it did quite well. I imagine the ~$25k+ increase in price up to an LX was an extremely tough sell for most regular folks.

In 2015 a used LC200 was roughly the same price as a new 4Runner. I remember driving them back to back at the dealer when I bought my 4R and the LC was about $2k more for a 40k mile used version. But remember that a new LC200 would have been around $60k invoice price - and that's about where most of them sold. So, a 4 year old 2011 at $40k wasn't unusual in 2015. I don't have any direct info on it - but I'd bet that there were about 10 dealers nation wide that sold 90% of the 200s. The dealer association was pretty clear with Toyota corporate that they wanted the name Land Cruiser, but they didn't want the 200 series as it was configured.

The GX had its own set of quirks too. It did sell pretty well. But I think a v8 4Runner would have sold even better. The 4Runner body was IMO better looking and had a more functional interior layout while I liked the GX front seats better. I'm in the small percentage who prefers the GX rear door over the hatch. The GX takes a lot of plastic cutting to get to the body clearance of a stock 4Runner. And in that timeframe there weren't many aftermarket products for the GX. If the GX were in a 4Runner body - I think it would have sold 50% more. That's probably why the LC250/GX550 looks more like a 5th gen 4Runner than the 6th gen 4Runner does.

At least to my eye - the styling is more similar to a 4R than a prior Prado.

 

[Knowbuddy]

Oh I am living my life and enjoying my 200 more than you can imagine “buddy”. Don’t you worry about that. No need to get all worked up. If you don’t like the discussion there is a little button called “ignore”, press it and carry on with your life.

Whatever you gotta tell your self champ. Your actions say otherwise. lol it’s ok to not like the 250. But to post about it as much as you do. It’s hilarious. You know I change my mind I enjoy the laughs on how much you care. Keep going small king.

 

[rexington14]

In 2015 a used LC200 was roughly the same price as a new 4Runner. I remember driving them back to back at the dealer when I bought my 4R and the LC was about $2k more for a 40k mile used version. But remember that a new LC200 would have been around $60k invoice price - and that's about where most of them sold. So, a 4 year old 2011 at $40k wasn't unusual in 2015. I don't have any direct info on it - but I'd bet that there were about 10 dealers nation wide that sold 90% of the 200s. The dealer association was pretty clear with Toyota corporate that they wanted the name Land Cruiser, but they didn't want the 200 series as it was configured.

The GX had its own set of quirks too. It did sell pretty well. But I think a v8 4Runner would have sold even better. The 4Runner body was IMO better looking and had a more functional interior layout while I liked the GX front seats better. I'm in the small percentage who prefers the GX rear door over the hatch. The GX takes a lot of plastic cutting to get to the body clearance of a stock 4Runner. And in that timeframe there weren't many aftermarket products for the GX. If the GX were in a 4Runner body - I think it would have sold 50% more. That's probably why the LC250/GX550 looks more like a 5th gen 4Runner than the 6th gen 4Runner does.

At least to my eye - the styling is more similar to a 4R than a prior Prado.
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Yeah, I guess you could have cross shopped a brand new 4R with a used, 5 year old, approaching or already out of warranty LC200, if you wanted to. But IMO for the average 4Runner buyer (which already was one of Toyota's most expensive vehicles), a new LC200 may as well not even have existed. If I’m buying a house and I want to spend $500k, I don’t want my realtor to take me to a house that costs $850k+. It's a non-starter.

I'm not as convinced on the 4R V8. What was the take rate on the 4th gen when it was offered with the 2UZ? I doubt exact numbers are available, but from what I've seen there are a heck of a lot more of the V6 4R's out there. I'd guess at least 80%+ sold with the V6? Most buyers went with the lower cost and better fuel efficiency option.

 

[Jetboy]

I cross shopped them. I'm not sure how common it is. They're both midsize SUVs that overlap about 95% in utility. It was a pretty close call for me. A v8 4R would have been an ideal middle ground for me. I could have gone either way. The LC interior isn't super well matched to an outdoor/utility type lifestyle vs a pretty utilitarian setup in the 4R. The soft tough door panels in the 200 feel better on your elbow - they don't hold up to the abrasion or punctures from hauling 2x4s and bicycle chain rings very well. I think that's been born out by how they've aged. Hard plastics are more durable than padded pleather. No surprise there. It just depends a lot on use.

I'm sure I would have been happy with either one. Probably the same for the new 4R and LC.

 

[MRego]

Whatever you gotta tell your self champ. Your actions say otherwise. lol it’s ok to not like the 250. But to post about it as much as you do. It’s hilarious. You know I change my mind I enjoy the laughs on how much you care. Keep going small king.

Uhhh..I got a fan following my posts What do we call a fan of a small king? Oh, a small peasant? So cool buddy.

Back to the discussion.

Yeah, I guess you could have cross shopped a brand new 4R with a used, 5 year old, approaching or already out of warranty LC200, if you wanted to. But IMO for the average 4Runner buyer (which already was one of Toyota's most expensive vehicles), a new LC200 may as well not even have existed. If I’m buying a house and I want to spend $500k, I don’t want my realtor to take me to a house that costs $850k+. It's a non-starter.

Like I said, the 200 was too much of a niche market. Used or new. You are right, the average 4runner buyer did not even know what a LC200 was. The difference now is that the "LC" was downgraded to the point of being cross shopped with the Runner and (in some cases) the Runner is better equipped, so there is that.

 

[Knowbuddy]

Uhhh..I got a fan following my posts What do we call a fan of a small king? Oh, a small peasant? So cool buddy.

Back to the discussion.


Like I said, the 200 was too much of a niche market. Used or new. You are right, the average 4runner buyer did not even know what a LC200 was. The difference now is that the "LC" was downgraded to the point of being cross shopped with the Runner and (in some cases) the Runner is better equipped, so there is that.

Don’t call yourself a peasant you have a 200 and continue to complain about a vehicle you don’t like and have no intention to own.

 

[highsmith]

@MRego Show us on the doll where the LC250 touched you

 

[Catching Neutral]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Toyota offers it with the v6 turbo in the next few years

 

[MRego]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Toyota offers it with the v6 turbo in the next few years

Bingo. That would be smart.

 

[waydownsouth]

I'd prefer a non-hybrid version of the current 4cyl turbo over the TT V6, which seems to bring it's own baggage...

 

[MRego]

I'd prefer a non-hybrid version of the current 4cyl turbo

Enters the 6th gen 4runner...and one of the reasons this thread started.

 

[Catching Neutral]

I’ll be driving a new 250 in the next few days. I am stoked to form my own opinion.

 

[waydownsouth]

For me, based on current knowledge and engines avail to avail LC250 / LC600 / new 4runner : hybrid 4cyl turbo > non-hybrid 4cly > TT V6

 

[Tigerstripe40]

LC1958 per Toyotas site doesn't have MTS or the SDM, so that pretty much makes it a no-go for myself.

I am planning to buy in about 3 years -after the initial bugs are worked out, and I have come down to the LC Premium or the Trailhunter/TRD Pro 4Runner. If the Trailhunter or TRDPro had the full time 4wd system, I'd be pretty much set on the 4Runner.

I suppose its going to boil down to which vehicle I can get a better Out the door price on. I am betting the LC Premium will be more 'available' than the Trailhunter/TRDPro 4Runner and not have one of those ridiculous 'market adjustments' from the dealer.

But yeah, I think the 1958 version is going to be discontinued.

 

[SanJuanJ]

For me, based on current knowledge and engines avail to avail LC250 / LC600 / new 4runner : hybrid 4cyl turbo > non-hybrid 4cly > TT V6

So your're saying the hybrid 4cyl is the moset desireable and the TTV6 is the least desireable?

 

[waydownsouth]

So your're saying the hybrid 4cyl is the moset desireable and the TTV6 is the least desireable?

For me , yes I prefer the hybrid 4 cylinder. The TT V6 is hands down the smoother, more refined powerplant. (drove both before purchasing the LC). I'm just not convinced that the issues with the TT V6 have been resolved. I have don't have an inside scoop on these issues. I'm just putting parts and pieces of info together . I don't even claim to know if any GX550's have had issues related to the TT V6. I do know that there is a significant recall involving these motors in the LX600 and Tundra's.