Theorycraft - V8 swap on an EXTREME Budget

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Still think you should buy a full running truck, even if you have to immediately pull the drivetrain and all wiring etc, everything but the frame, body and axles. The moment you make a deal to buy it post the remnants up for sale... You price it right and that stuff will be sold before you get it home. Then one weekend of work and it is gone.
 
Just be careful buying NV4500's alone there are a lot of variations - as I'm doing my own research for my own close-future swap.
 
@cruisermatt. Yeah I am finding the same thing. Best bet is there seems to be less variation with never versions, post 2002. Definitely stay with the GM/Chevy version, while the Dodge can be mated it takes a bit of modification and a different bell housing.
 
Maybe it was the truck you were driving. I have an 02 Dodge 3500 with a 360 and an NV4500. Its a truck, but when you hit 2500 RPMs that thing jumps and gets to be a lot more fun. I never expected "sporty". I had an 88 4RNR with a 22RE, that was sporty for a truck. :)
 
Yeah I don't really equate "sporty" and "truck" outta this. I have driven an old Chevy with the NV4500 in it when I was in high school and it was just fine. Was attached to a V6 4.3 long bed single cab.
 
I've read multiple swaps and can't believe nobody goes for the toyota swap... Not a diesel but a newer drivetrain (tacoma). Seems to me easier to do a body swap over a newer 4x4 V6 tacoma chasis with a 5 or 6 speed manual trans. Wheel base and width is of by less than 4 in and will require some fab, but no gremlins to fix after body goes on an updated chasis/drivetrain. Best I've seen is an 80 drivetrain/chasis on a 60 body... Any thoughts?
 
It's not necessarily the swap itself physically but all the mating of necessary electrical connections and whatnot that become the hard part. Saw your other post and have to agree that if you think it is as simple as just dropping the FJ60 body on the new Tacoma from with everything then I got a nice bridge I want to sell you, and tell you what I will make you a good deal and sell it to you at a special price.

The reason most go with a Vortec is that it is a simple swap in the fact that everyone and their mother has thrown on in some sort of vehicle. I have seen them in everything from a early 90s Nissan 240sx, to a 70s Datsun pickup to just about every American muscle car you can think of. The power plant is small form factor making it that much easier to shoehorn into something and really the reliability of the power plant has hit fleet status. While the Toyota purist screams it is the logic behind such a swap that wins. Simply swapping in a 1JZ or a v8 from a tundra or Lexus ES series just isn't feasible because all the ancillary parts would all have to be custom made.

Oh and with regards to the 60 body on an 80 chassis you do realize that about 4-6" has to be chopped from the chassis to make it fit the 60 body. And that is the easy route.
 
Newer toyotas have complicated computers with integrated harnesses (body, engine, tranny) very hard to make the motor run right without all the adjoining electronics. At least that is my understanding. Body swap poses the same problem: how do you get all the gauges, lights, etc working? Sounds like a project for an electrical engineer, not a backyard mechanic.
 
You will learn a great deal reading through swap threads but it is the little things that you miss that will slow your roll. If you are even considering doing a body swap, 60 on 80 you best be very proficient at fabricating or have some deep pockets. If you are considering a 60 on something like an FJC or Tacoma, same thing with a lot more involved as much of the electronics that effect the motor stem from origins outside the motor and trans.

I stand behind the approach of making the motor, trans and T-case stand alone with no other input. KISS. In the end you want a vehicle that is easy to operate and maintain and that with as little explanation as possible a 3rd party mechanic can work on without having to figure out what is what (time is money).
 
You will learn a great deal reading through swap threads but it is the little things that you miss that will slow your roll. If you are even considering doing a body swap, 60 on 80 you best be very proficient at fabricating or have some deep pockets. If you are considering a 60 on something like an FJC or Tacoma, same thing with a lot more involved as much of the electronics that effect the motor stem from origins outside the motor and trans.

I stand behind the approach of making the motor, trans and T-case stand alone with no other input. KISS. In the end you want a vehicle that is easy to operate and maintain and that with as little explanation as possible a 3rd party mechanic can work on without having to figure out what is what (time is money).

As he said very eloquently in the other thread:

It's rather difficult to mix and match automotive electrical harnesses and different chassis types.

I seamlessly wired my OBDI 5.0 GT Harness into my FJ60 and it took a lot of time. It's not that hard with a an OBD I Ford harness because it's for all intents and purposes standalone. Most OBD 2 harnesses are fully integrated into the vehicle with extras like climate control, anti-theft, anti-lock brakes and potentially traction control. There is no plug and play way to disable these things on many vehicles. Modern CAN BUS systems look for serialized major components in their control bits. If those don't match the ECU's programming on some engines (Ford and GM for example), it will not run at all. The reason many GM engines are easily-swapped is because someone has already cracked the ECUs and removed all that crap that will leave you with a bricked ECM if said ancillary CAN system is left unhooked.

The FJ60 has among the strongest frames ever offered on an SUV, coming in close with 80 series and 97+ Wranglers. Switching to anything short of an F-350 would be a downgrade. The 60 series has very robust drivetrain components which are on par or stronger than most 1/2 ton truck offerings. Tacomas are a downgrade in overall strength.

I've built a custom chassis for my rock crawler before and it's not easy task. If you miscalculate anything on something like an SUV, you risk collapsing the body by not properly supporting it at the body mounts. It's not an easy task.

For me it was far less work and money to change the entire powertrain of my FJ 60 and run with a centered rear axle and Dana 300 case than it was to try to adapt a split case to a Ford transmission or adapt a Ford engine to Toyota stuff. In the end, it was easier to build a custom rear axle than it was to adapt this. I also had a backup plan of using an Isuzu axle if my Ford 9" tribute Toyota axle failed.

Tirade aside, I am against the whole "kit" mentality of many of the 4x4 community. Guys get so nervous about pretty minor things like cross members and driveshafts with transmission changes. My entire powertrain with a running 5.0 HO, ZF S5-42, Dana 300, drive flanges, front and rear driveshafts cost less than an H55F just to put things in perspective. It clearly was more work, but the costs of looking outside the box are not as high as you think. Obviously you can tell I'm a Pirate guy who happens to also love FJ60s, and didn't want to turn mine into a rock crawler.
 
I'll agree with most everything fordfascist said above with one major exception.

For me it was far less work and money to change the entire powertrain of my FJ 60 and run with a centered rear axle and Dana 300 case than it was to try to adapt a split case to a Ford transmission or adapt a Ford engine to Toyota stuff. In the end, it was easier to build a custom rear axle than it was to adapt this. I also had a backup plan of using an Isuzu axle if my Ford 9" tribute Toyota axle failed.

I used a np203 to adapt the Ford auto tranny to my split tcase because there was no other good options. It's been a great combo for me personally.
 
Ya know what we really need now? A Hemi swap.
 
I'll agree with most everything fordfascist said above with one major exception.



I used a np203 to adapt the Ford auto tranny to my split tcase because there was no other good options. It's been a great combo for me personally.

No disagreement here. There were actually a couple options to hook the ZF to the Split case, but I didn't really want to get into all the iterations, nor did I have the desire for a doubler. The doubler was clearly the current way to do it. I chose to run with a centered D 300 for noise reduction since the split cases are known for being a bit whiny.
 
Yeah, I was not really looking for a doubler either, but it was the cheapest alternative for me. And I wanted to keep the stock axles... D18 was not in the option list ;)
 
I love the NV4500/NP205 combo in my 60, shifts smoothly and quickly, It drives completely different from the one in my 3500 dodge diesel, I guess it's the difference in the torque curves with the motors, but I love the fact that I have a stout transmission transfer case combo, every upgrade I did to my truck was at least as strong if not stronger than what it was replacing....
 
I love the NV4500/NP205 combo in my 60, shifts smoothly and quickly, It drives completely different from the one in my 3500 dodge diesel, I guess it's the difference in the torque curves with the motors, but I love the fact that I have a stout transmission transfer case combo, every upgrade I did to my truck was at least as strong if not stronger than what it was replacing....
@SharpasMarbles Do you have a build thread somewhere? Which version of the NV4500 did you get and how hard was it to mate it to the Gen.III/IV block? I have been doing lots of gathering for that and seriously, why the hell is it so hard to find a damn manual transmission!!!
 
@SharpasMarbles Do you have a build thread somewhere? Which version of the NV4500 did you get and how hard was it to mate it to the Gen.III/IV block? I have been doing lots of gathering for that and seriously, why the hell is it so hard to find a damn manual transmission!!!

Because people like them.

From my research you can adapt any NV4500 to any Chevy V8 it just depends on how much you want to spend on adapters.

I'm putting a 92-94 GM NV4500 in mine. I see it as a huge trump over the H55f. Deeper overdrive by a lot, and a lower first in every version, the lowest being 6.34:1 in the earliest which is what I'm searching for.

Plus it opens you up to tons of transfer case options, like an Atlas...
 
@SharpasMarbles Do you have a build thread somewhere? Which version of the NV4500 did you get and how hard was it to mate it to the Gen.III/IV block? I have been doing lots of gathering for that and seriously, why the hell is it so hard to find a damn manual transmission!!!
My NV4500 is an early model 94 chevy with the 6.34 first gear, I had to trim the tail shaft 7/8'' to mate up to the 205. I got mine back in 94 when I built my hi-lux .
Here is my build thread
LQ4 in 1987 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ-60
 
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