Theorycraft - V8 swap on an EXTREME Budget

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My truck is something to have fun with, as the years have passed my consternation over modifications either small or large has decreased.... if I want to drill a hole it gets drilled, if I want to pull out the carpet..out it goes, if I want to install BMW seats...in they go, gm engine..check, etc..etc. The only thing in my way is time and money :)

I don't chase MPG with mods and I only chase what I perceive to be an improvement in functionality/capability/performance. Of course we all have limitations on $$ and what we can spend or trade for or do the work ourselves. Its all about having fun....I do drive my truck off-road and do tackle trails / obstacles it can handle...I've got scrapes and pin-stripes and minor dents everywhere...

Whatever equals fun to each owner is the key.

AA had or has a swap guide for the LC....its been a while but it was on their website at one point. What I've learned has been from doing a swap myself and reading others threads and posting and asking questions and spending hours on some of those web sites...etc.

As noted previously...its worth a lot of "gold" to have a known solution and known path to a good clean functional setup....something that works and has proven to work. Some of these choices people make with parts...they forget all of a sudden to include what crazy $hit that they jumped through to make it work or it may be some odd-ball configuration. When something breaks or needs repair....you are money ahead by staying with known solutions, both in parts and in fabrication / approach.

In my view the character of the truck is generally the physical appearance of the body. Few if any of these trucks maintain their stock look with respect to tires,lift, etc. Personally I don't care for the stock look of the FJ60....it only looks right to me with a lift and some reasonably larger tires.

I've suggested in the past and still would suggest at present that anyone looking to do an engine swap... go read through these threads and make notes, and go surf the AA web site and this board and other boards. See what people have done. I personally like complete solutions without having to cobble up some parts from this or that...thats why I keep pointing to the combination I've suggested...its the cleanest approach. The other good thing to do is ask around from those who have done these..what would they do in hindsight or what issues have they come across. Like many things...you probably get better at an engine swap the 2nd or 3rd time around.

Also I really pay attention to posted pictures in the build threads or from web sites like Slee and others...why because you can get great ideas of what works or what may not work and learn from what others have done. The guys at Slee and these other shops....they acquired that knowledge over time and through the school of hard knocks...learn from them to the extent possible.

Like I told someone...I'll be happy to experiment with your truck but I want to know more facts before I jump off into this mess with mine. The other factor on my truck is that it has to be street-able so I've not altered it in such a way as to impact that.
 
Elbert,

What's wrong with a 5.3 and AA bellhousing with the H55 trans. Worked on my 55 and my 40 had a 327 with the stock 4 speed, using the AA bellhousing. I decided against the Mark's adapter, also.
 
Elbert,

What's wrong with a 5.3 and AA bellhousing with the H55 trans. Worked on my 55 and my 40 had a 327 with the stock 4 speed, using the AA bellhousing. I decided against the Mark's adapter, also.

I don't know the details on that swap, ...I see some references to a FJ62....looking here.. Adapter Kits | Advance Adapters.

I think you are right advance I think use to make their own bellhousing adapter for the FJ60 GM V8 to toyota manual.... I don't see that listed on their site now. I see the marks adapter... I see stuff listed for the FJ40. Maybe AA stopped making the item you are noting..I do think you are right that it was offered at one time. May need to contact AA directly...I saw something very similar but the product description says for FJ40.

I don't know offhand the differences between the AA bellhousing setup and the marks, looking at the pics the aa adatper for the FJ50 may not have the spud shaft setup..etc like the marks does.

I did come close to going with a NV4500 and using AA "universal" bell housing that has provisions for the clutch slave on either side of the bells housing, but for whatever reason back then when I jumped into the swap I did not.

Bottom line I don't know enough about the AA bell housing adapter or others who have used it, it appears it may have gone out of production for the FJ60? I've not read lately where anyone has used that so I don't know and don't want to presume..
 
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i see in part... the marks uses the 3f bell housing in addition...the AA adapter does not...true?

my pics show the marks setup back when we did my swap.

of course we are talking different engines....I have a 5.7 vortec, just for clarification and to avoid confusion..it may not make a difference for this point.
 
you can see that spud shaft in the first pic...at the center of the marks coming out the rear...that mates with the main shaft of the transmission, and then as noted you use the OEM bell housing from the toyota transmission to marry up with the marks. ON face value probally part of the game to get all the mounts right etc. Now you might have some fabrication things to execute...given the shorter overall assembly...the aa vs teh marks, which would require potential relocation of the trans mount cross member and mods to the drive shafts. Looks like the aa setup is a good bit shorter.
 
I would personally do a 4.8 Vortec (stupid cheap) and mate it to my stock 4 speed and roll out. This way I mount everything back to where the driveshafts and crossmembers are reusable.

my friend suggested the 4.8 as an alternative when and if I replace the 5.7. to get the mounts right and the driveshafts... you probally have to go with the marks...and thats one of the prime selling points I'm sure.
 
I didn't care for that extra spud shaft in the mix. On the AA adapter, just need to use the right clutch and pilot bearing, all bolts up. For me, going in a 55, everything had to be custom, driveshafts, motor mounts, etc. so no big deal.
 
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I didn't care for that extra spud shaft in the mix. On the AA adapter, just need to use the right clutch and pilot bearing, all bolts up. For me, going in a 55, everything had to custom, driveshafts, motor mounts, etc. so no big deal.


thats been one of my gripes about the marks in hindsight....I was totally green to the LC and swapping engines over to it when we started and we just dove in. I don't care for the spud shaft or its install or adjustments... I have learned this through the school of hard knocks and I did not pay attention to that when we did this swap some years ago....I just saw where it worked and we went with it. I don't recall anyone using the AA adapter (bellhousing) on the 60..it appears the assembly will be a good bit shorter which may be a non issue on a 40 but might be on the 60.
As I've expressed previously...I won't be doing the marks adapter again. I believe my friend has one of the AA adapters soaking up dust in his shop...he has a 40 project though.
 
I'm curious as to why there isnt more talk of the ranger units?
Seems like it's always mentioned, and that the main downfall is additional whine, but then it seems like there isn't more talk,
when it seems like such a simple and smart swap?
 
Ranger units are expensive and mostly unnecessary IMO. A set of 3.70 gears and maybe a 5 speed or auto will all give you the RPMs you need in a vehicle with brick aerodynamics.

Again, going cheap is the theme here.

4.8s can be had SUPER cheap with low miles. Like $500 cheap.
 
As far as straight forward user friendly plug and play options, the kit from Icon TLC seems to be the ticket. But as I understand, its designed to use a new 5.3 Erod package. Now that they are NLA, I dont know how much that changes things. I guess you just have to buy GM parts separately. Of course "budget" takes on a different meaning going that route. I used to be a bit of a purist. But I have personally driven several GM vehicles a LOT of miles. Never had a lot of complaints with the powertrain.
 
I actually am just starting a 6.0 swap as we speak, and picked up a ranger to do it.
Just haven't seen a whole lot of info on the swap. (I.e. All of the exact parts actually needed to complete mating the ranger to the ls motor)

AA sells a clutch kit, but it's spendy as well.
So I'm trying to figure out more cost effective ways to mate the two.

My primary reasons for going with the ranger I that it seems simple.
I don't have a welder yet, so the fact that everything supposedly stays in place, is awesome. Secondly, who doesn't want to drive a 6.0 with a manual?!?

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I actually am just starting a 6.0 swap as we speak, and picked up a ranger to do it.
Just haven't seen a whole lot of info on the swap. (I.e. All of the exact parts actually needed to complete mating the ranger to the ls motor)

AA sells a clutch kit, but it's spendy as well.
So I'm trying to figure out more cost effective ways to mate the two.

My primary reasons for going with the ranger I that it seems simple.
I don't have a welder yet, so the fact that everything supposedly stays in place, is awesome. Secondly, who doesn't want to drive a 6.0 with a manual?!?
Fxxx yeah, awesome! we need more porn, where is it (me says while drooling)
 
I did the ranger torque splitter with a carbureted Chevy. Kept the stock 4 speed. I used all GM accessories on the engine, including the a/c, and can put a Tbi in if I feel adventurous.

I never drove an FJ60 stock, so I can't compare, but the ranger+ Toyota 4 speed shifts like a truck. I have read that this is because the ranger gear box keeps thing turning longer that without, so it's harder to synch the gears, but I dunno. It fits the rest of the truck, it's not a Cadillac or something.

The ranger was something like $1,750 I think. Most costly single thing I bought after the OME suspension kit.

I bought a running truck for the motor and everything on it. Brackets and such will eat up some money.

I would do it the same again, although I might grab a crate motor new next time. JEGS puts them on sale cheap from time to time.
 
I think that approaching something as large as a swap with the overriding factor being "Extreme Budget" is going to hamstring you from the start. The odds are that each corner that you cut will come back to visit some time in your future. Even once swapped, you are going to have normal maintenance issues just like any other vehicle, why add to that repairing things like over heating issues etc. This is going to be one of, if not the biggest job you will ever do to your truck, go big or regret it when you start thinking of changes to your swap.

In relation to specific equipment, I do not think that you are going to find any one concise list and even if you do I don't see any two lists being the same. There are simply too many variables to choose from to make any one parts list the definitive choice. Building in future reliability and ease of maintenance should be top priority. Technology is growing by leaps and bounds, save up and buy the most current components you can afford. The difference between the SBC and the LSX platform is HUGE. The differences within the LSX series is also notable.

The best advice I can give anyone looking to do their own swap is go old school, in the process, not the equipment. Buy a spiral notebook, write everything down. Separate all the components to sub systems. Research each part as you go and record (on paper) what you find. Research every swap thread that you can find, write down what they used and figure out why the issues they encountered occurred.

In the end, it is just a machine, all this equipment has already been figured out. It is up to you as the individual to chart your own course, all the information is out there for you to use.

"Knowledge without experience is just information"-Mark Twain Keep this in mind as you read, lots of posts out there by those that are just passing on what they read somewhere else. This is NOT a one:banana: job! Take your time, save your $$$ and if you are lucky you might only go 40% over your original budget. :)
 
I never drove an FJ60 stock, so I can't compare, but the ranger+ Toyota 4 speed shifts like a truck. I have read that this is because the ranger gear box keeps thing turning longer that without, so it's harder to synch the gears, but I dunno. It fits the rest of the truck, it's not a Cadillac or something.

Interesting info, never heard this before. Makes sense that the input shaft is probably still spinning with the clutch in.
 
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