I have a glock 17 and SIG226, both guns are a blast to shoot. As much as I love the sig, I am more accurate with the glock. Its not sexy, but it just does what it should. I can bring to Relic if you wanted to shoot a few?
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I have a glock 17 and SIG226, both guns are a blast to shoot. As much as I love the sig, I am more accurate with the glock. Its not sexy, but it just does what it should. I can bring to Relic if you wanted to shoot a few?
Same here, except I use the medium strap. Tried a lot of others when I was a range officer at Durham Wildlife Club, and ultimately found this and the H&K (oddly enough in .40) gave me the best feel and accuracy. Glocks have never fit me just right, and just like a LC, I prefer to have something a little bit different than the masses.
SFROMAN
SILVER Star
All this gun talk has me wanting to go shoot.
We should plan a Saturday to go to the range and shoot for a few hours.
I have a couple shooting tables that I want to practice on do get an idea of how rusty I am since I have shot in a while.
We should plan a Saturday to go to the range and shoot for a few hours.
I have a couple shooting tables that I want to practice on do get an idea of how rusty I am since I have shot in a while.
Would love to go. I haven't shot my Glock 43 much, just enough to know it kinda sucked vs the 19, but bearable enough to carry.
I NEED to zero the new piston-driven 300 BLK if anyone has any interest on the rifle side of things. Maybe I could get some tips?!
I know that may be a different range, but usually just do Wake Co rifle side to the far right.
Dual super/subsonic ACOG reticle is fun to tinker with. I need to zero for supersonic and then re-learn the drops for the subsonic, because they aren't perfect and may change. So takes some time. I need to shoot the subsonic a good bit to feel good about the BDC on that side of the reticle.
I had spent a ton of time figuring out the optimal zero range based on my two main bullet types on the old 10" barrel gub, but new gub is 16".
Well here is what I know, but I was in the Army before ACOGs and grew up bird hunting, not deer hunting, long range shooting, etc.
It gets complicated when you are trying to use a fixed-mag scope with dual reticles and a BDC. You are trying to do the following:
Then once you swap over to subsonic, you to test your BDC to make sure that at 50 yards your diamond is tip or bottom or some "Kentucky Windage" that you know real well. You have to do that for each diamond if you want to be most accurate.
300 BLK Dual Reticle:
Why you can have two zeros (or even one) - bullets always drop once they leave the barrel (my picture is horrible as it looks like the bullet goes up and then back down, when it doesn't). Your site is angled down at the nose, so that you can have two points where the bullet crosses your eye's line of sight.
All of this is just me messing around - I think the Army just tells you to site in at 100 yards and use your BDC for close range - not sure. Of course, they have M16/M4, not 300 BLK so that is why I am doing this.
You can play with these for your rounds and caliber, etc:
www.hornady.com
It gets complicated when you are trying to use a fixed-mag scope with dual reticles and a BDC. You are trying to do the following:
- optimize your settings for both bullet types (super and sub)
- focus on accuracy for supersonic, and check your BDC
- learn your bullet drop compensation (BDC) for subsonic real well as it varies slightly by round, etc.
Then once you swap over to subsonic, you to test your BDC to make sure that at 50 yards your diamond is tip or bottom or some "Kentucky Windage" that you know real well. You have to do that for each diamond if you want to be most accurate.
300 BLK Dual Reticle:
Why you can have two zeros (or even one) - bullets always drop once they leave the barrel (my picture is horrible as it looks like the bullet goes up and then back down, when it doesn't). Your site is angled down at the nose, so that you can have two points where the bullet crosses your eye's line of sight.
All of this is just me messing around - I think the Army just tells you to site in at 100 yards and use your BDC for close range - not sure. Of course, they have M16/M4, not 300 BLK so that is why I am doing this.
You can play with these for your rounds and caliber, etc:
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Sounds like you just need to build a pair of each firearm/optic. Screw messing with sub/super adjustments. Either way, doesn’t this only matter if you don’t wanna spray and pray? I say that in jest but also as a serious question.
After you zero, there are no adjustments - you use the reticle.
"Spraying and praying" - - What are we shooting, aliens / zombies? Did you and Steve go to the same shooting school?
"Spraying and praying" - - What are we shooting, aliens / zombies?
Did you and Steve go to the same shooting school? 
They have schools for that? I honestly have no formal stuff. just kinda went to the range with friends, and probably have some bad habits, not dangerous, just not optimal.
I have very little optic instruction. my marlin model 99m1 tack driver .22 is really only shot at 50 yards most of the time, and i haven't shot that in at least 4 years. It would hang with the guys in my class(stockish ruger 10-22, savage, cz, etc),but couldnt keep up with the high dollar rimfires next class up (h&r, rem 40x, anschutz, etc). Using standard velocity ammo to match the age of the rifle and twist. I got dialed in at 50 with cci green tags, and stuck with them. at 100, the drop was repeatable, so I adjusted my aim instead of adjusting the scope.
if I shot high velocity or hyper velocity. 22 it would start to spiral. a little at 50 yards (noticable when measuring to the .001... at 100 yards it was quite interesting. I never played with the scope in too much wind, because if it were that windy, we would go fly sail planes instead of waste ammo.
I used to be pretty decent with the iron slide sights on my mauser 22 and mod98, but those too havent been shot since I got glasses.
My 556 is still pure and chaste. sigh...
I have very little optic instruction. my marlin model 99m1 tack driver .22 is really only shot at 50 yards most of the time, and i haven't shot that in at least 4 years. It would hang with the guys in my class(stockish ruger 10-22, savage, cz, etc),but couldnt keep up with the high dollar rimfires next class up (h&r, rem 40x, anschutz, etc). Using standard velocity ammo to match the age of the rifle and twist. I got dialed in at 50 with cci green tags, and stuck with them. at 100, the drop was repeatable, so I adjusted my aim instead of adjusting the scope.
if I shot high velocity or hyper velocity. 22 it would start to spiral. a little at 50 yards (noticable when measuring to the .001... at 100 yards it was quite interesting. I never played with the scope in too much wind, because if it were that windy, we would go fly sail planes instead of waste ammo.
I used to be pretty decent with the iron slide sights on my mauser 22 and mod98, but those too havent been shot since I got glasses.
My 556 is still pure and chaste. sigh...
Well let's start right here, right now. Read this and we can discuss at the range as we lob 225 grain sub sonic rounds all over the range:
I've gotta bury my nose in some cisco books this weekend for two network assessment exams for a recruiting company. considering I've been network street smart in a contained/scaled/repeatable environment, and not booksmart, this weekend 8s gonna suck
Cool veteran owned company Milspin.com making gun/glock goodies, ponied up for their SS slide back plates and my 1st MAGA hat, subtle enough, maybe I won’t get beat up by millennial snowflakes.
Tashi checking daddy’s new hat, super comfortable...
USA flag on G34...
Batman on G19...
Imperial GOG on G35...
Tashi checking daddy’s new hat, super comfortable...
USA flag on G34...
Batman on G19...
Imperial GOG on G35...
LINUS
Waiting for the Great Pumpkin
^^^^^
@Mtbcoach - is your 19 with the flag a slicktop / no sights - or was pic taken prior to pressing in some?
Or do you run a Leupold deltapoint / similar?
I like the blackout backend of the flag personally- and a our flags ‘bars’ make it blend nice with the rear sight milling for anti-glare.
Like the hat too
@Mtbcoach - is your 19 with the flag a slicktop / no sights - or was pic taken prior to pressing in some?
Or do you run a Leupold deltapoint / similar?
I like the blackout backend of the flag personally- and a our flags ‘bars’ make it blend nice with the rear sight milling for anti-glare.
Like the hat too
^^^^^
@Mtbcoach - is your 19 with the flag a slicktop / no sights - or was pic taken prior to pressing in some?
Or do you run a Leupold deltapoint / similar?
I like the blackout backend of the flag personally- and a our flags ‘bars’ make it blend nice with the rear sight milling for anti-glare.
Like the hat too
It’s my 23 yr old G19, I had a nice RMR sight on it until a holster clip failed, causing it to slide down my leg when on my motorcycle on I40. I didn’t get pulled over in time to trap and it fell onto the pavement, nobody behind me and I pulled over, got off running back to retrieve it right as I watched 18 wheeler pulverize it. The G19 is scuffed but fully functional, RMR toast, going back to old school with some Trijicon night sights.
milspin has many other options of the flag and patriotic themes.
LINUS
Waiting for the Great Pumpkin
^^^^ Aha, amazing how real life makes the best backstories, yeah?
Dang, as good as the back of the slide looks, I’d never have thought it had anything but holster wear, not a full highway drop & runover life.
Glock may love to hear that one, you never know.
Cool.
Dang, as good as the back of the slide looks, I’d never have thought it had anything but holster wear, not a full highway drop & runover life.
Glock may love to hear that one, you never know.
Cool.
Phares
Mostly Useless
Speaking of old 19s if anyone has a line on a Gen 1/2 Glock 17/19 I'd be interested in taking a look for collection purposes. Thanks.
LINUS
Waiting for the Great Pumpkin
@weejub - I just saw your post from 2/13/19 about sub / super -sonic .300blk
Best reticle I’d seen was the Leupold 300blk - I found a closeout NIB of the illuminated one for ~40% of the MSRP when new. Roughly 1-5x
variable.
Reticle link: 300 Blackout | Leupold
If you want, I can dig up the box for the exact model # - by the time you buy a Eotech in 300blk & add a flip magnifier it’s the same $$.
-Found it in my GB history - 113594 is the Leupold #, hopefully the pic of mine comes in this link:
www.leupold.com
Meh, mine didn’t show up - the 3rd pic of the scopes themselves is how the MK4 .300blk does the battery - verticle on the L side of turrets, not the traditional ~10:30 position back close to eye. 2032 coin cell.
Best reticle I’d seen was the Leupold 300blk - I found a closeout NIB of the illuminated one for ~40% of the MSRP when new. Roughly 1-5x
variable.
Reticle link: 300 Blackout | Leupold
If you want, I can dig up the box for the exact model # - by the time you buy a Eotech in 300blk & add a flip magnifier it’s the same $$.
-Found it in my GB history - 113594 is the Leupold #, hopefully the pic of mine comes in this link:
Riflescopes | Leupold
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Meh, mine didn’t show up - the 3rd pic of the scopes themselves is how the MK4 .300blk does the battery - verticle on the L side of turrets, not the traditional ~10:30 position back close to eye. 2032 coin cell.
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Thanks!
I need to shoot my ACOG more - so far I like the BDC on it. I actually also like the 4X fixed magnification.
Would be fun to literally shoot them both side by side as well as a few others
. Have you tried the ACOG or some others?
I guess there are more out there now:
▷TOP 5 Best Scopes for 300 Blackout in 2019 - [UPDATED]
LINUS
Waiting for the Great Pumpkin
^^^^^ I’ve shot the VCOG, but it’s been easily ~8yrs since I was behind a traditional ACOG with what I think is their traditional “arrow/bdc” reticle.
I’ve been slowly transitioning from any EOtech I have to the Leupold line like that 113594 - the other similar that I have are the model 171555 from the Leupold VX-6 line, same BDC meant for 5.56/62gr. It’s essentially the same chassis.
I’ve sorta quit carrying CR123’s & my Aimpoint red-dots take the same 2032 coins as is standard in alot of glass scopes with lighting, so I’m just trying to standardize, no hate on EOtech.
I also have a Sig Tango 3 that currently I do not recommend- it’s probably a single error piece, but mine is in on warranty b/c the illumination flickers from recoil (bad connection, or flawed little electronic part) - Romeo series red-dots get great marks, but I was the ‘guinea pig’ of my buddies on the Tango.
So far, so good - Sig sent a pick ticket to pay shipping to them without a peep, so I’m expecting a good result. That said, I doubt Sig supports all the different directions its’ going in 3-5yrs, between optics, suppressors, SBR rifles, ammo production, etc.
That’s why I came back to good old Leupold - they are near top of the mid-tier brands (I don’t choose to buy Schmidt&Bender, Swarovski, Stiener) - but I’m betting I get a Nightforce 1-8 FFP whenever the Sig comes back, my other top of mid-tier built units.
I’m sticking with optics that the manufacturer just makes optics, not a hand in “every pie cooling in the windowsill”. That’s what I’ve learned.
But if you mount & run same ammo between sub & super, and don’t add a suppressor in the mix to mess you up, just keeping a simple dope sheet for subsonic (or whichever you shoot less, I shoot supersonic more for $$$/rnd of it) -on a single BDC would be awesome.
I’m on either 147gr super or 220gr sub, so I follow the KISS approach on my .300blk. - I want to try that new Sig subsonic that has a deep hollowpoint, but the 147 & 220 are my go-to’s for my 9.25” / suppressed pipes.
The Tango was supposed to go on a 11” 5.56 barrel, but now that’s the one I’m eyeing a NF 1-8x for.
The Tango is also good for the 7.62 (168gr IIRC) as it behaves like a 5.56/62gr - but when the replacement lands I’ll decide from there.
HTH
I’ve been slowly transitioning from any EOtech I have to the Leupold line like that 113594 - the other similar that I have are the model 171555 from the Leupold VX-6 line, same BDC meant for 5.56/62gr. It’s essentially the same chassis.
I’ve sorta quit carrying CR123’s & my Aimpoint red-dots take the same 2032 coins as is standard in alot of glass scopes with lighting, so I’m just trying to standardize, no hate on EOtech.
I also have a Sig Tango 3 that currently I do not recommend- it’s probably a single error piece, but mine is in on warranty b/c the illumination flickers from recoil (bad connection, or flawed little electronic part) - Romeo series red-dots get great marks, but I was the ‘guinea pig’ of my buddies on the Tango.
So far, so good - Sig sent a pick ticket to pay shipping to them without a peep, so I’m expecting a good result. That said, I doubt Sig supports all the different directions its’ going in 3-5yrs, between optics, suppressors, SBR rifles, ammo production, etc.
That’s why I came back to good old Leupold - they are near top of the mid-tier brands (I don’t choose to buy Schmidt&Bender, Swarovski, Stiener) - but I’m betting I get a Nightforce 1-8 FFP whenever the Sig comes back, my other top of mid-tier built units.
I’m sticking with optics that the manufacturer just makes optics, not a hand in “every pie cooling in the windowsill”. That’s what I’ve learned.
But if you mount & run same ammo between sub & super, and don’t add a suppressor in the mix to mess you up, just keeping a simple dope sheet for subsonic (or whichever you shoot less, I shoot supersonic more for $$$/rnd of it) -on a single BDC would be awesome.
I’m on either 147gr super or 220gr sub, so I follow the KISS approach on my .300blk. - I want to try that new Sig subsonic that has a deep hollowpoint, but the 147 & 220 are my go-to’s for my 9.25” / suppressed pipes.
The Tango was supposed to go on a 11” 5.56 barrel, but now that’s the one I’m eyeing a NF 1-8x for.
The Tango is also good for the 7.62 (168gr IIRC) as it behaves like a 5.56/62gr - but when the replacement lands I’ll decide from there.
HTH
