The COVID Thread
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Regardless of a person’s political or medical opinion, there were in fact refrigerated trailers outside of NYC hospitals to handle the unusually high amount of corpses in the early months of COVID. There are plenty of articles and stories in the media about this from the point of view of many different trades/occupations.
I posit that people are not more afraid of this virus because “Well I don’t know nobody who got dead from it” which I feel is directly attributable to the media saying what they want to who they want, meaning that people no longer get their news from 2 or 3 sources just after dinner every night; it comes to them when they want from whom they want. There is no longer a “national news report”. Cronkite is long dead and so is the people’s response to anything that hasn’t affected them directly. Save your breath about your opinions on Cronkite...his name is being used here simply because he was the last journalist that I’m aware of who wasn’t OBVIOUSLY hired to spin an agenda, and yes, I’m aware that he let his mind be known on occasion but it always seemed to be with great certainty of his thoughts and not because of the carrot dangling in front of his paycheck.
I’ll mention here somebody’s comment elsewhere about watching only the news that one knows will be spun in a manner that suits that viewer. We used to teach our youth that everybody’s opinion is equal (now that includes their feelings)
While that is true, it does not make every opinion valid and acceptable (because some people refuse to acknowledge facts and science, and not just about the pandemic...I’m looking at you, flat earth society). We all have the RIGHT to our opinions, but at some point logic and reason still have to be dealt with and that might mean your opinion can change...that’s not a sin or a criminal thought but it seems to be silently accepted as such.
Does anybody else remember when there was the left, the right, and the media who boiled it all down?
I grew up in a military family at the Pentagon. My dad was, among other things, Chief of Media Relations for 2 years. Yes, he had a hardcore 1950’s mentality about lots of things but he taught me that the facts and the truth need to be delivered to every single person, regardless of their intelligence, so that they can form an educated opinion. And...believe me, there were more than a few things he told me about having changed his mind on after educating himself with material from the many different views on a matter. That was difficult for him but it was important to be known.
Side rant: pictures are no longer worth simply 1000 words; they’re now worth 1000 words of propaganda to EACH entity that writes the caption.
TL/DR - form your own opinion from the facts that come from firsthand sources, not from the people who are paid to tell you what their employer wants you to know.
I posit that people are not more afraid of this virus because “Well I don’t know nobody who got dead from it” which I feel is directly attributable to the media saying what they want to who they want, meaning that people no longer get their news from 2 or 3 sources just after dinner every night; it comes to them when they want from whom they want. There is no longer a “national news report”. Cronkite is long dead and so is the people’s response to anything that hasn’t affected them directly. Save your breath about your opinions on Cronkite...his name is being used here simply because he was the last journalist that I’m aware of who wasn’t OBVIOUSLY hired to spin an agenda, and yes, I’m aware that he let his mind be known on occasion but it always seemed to be with great certainty of his thoughts and not because of the carrot dangling in front of his paycheck.
I’ll mention here somebody’s comment elsewhere about watching only the news that one knows will be spun in a manner that suits that viewer. We used to teach our youth that everybody’s opinion is equal (now that includes their feelings)
While that is true, it does not make every opinion valid and acceptable (because some people refuse to acknowledge facts and science, and not just about the pandemic...I’m looking at you, flat earth society). We all have the RIGHT to our opinions, but at some point logic and reason still have to be dealt with and that might mean your opinion can change...that’s not a sin or a criminal thought but it seems to be silently accepted as such.
Does anybody else remember when there was the left, the right, and the media who boiled it all down?
I grew up in a military family at the Pentagon. My dad was, among other things, Chief of Media Relations for 2 years. Yes, he had a hardcore 1950’s mentality about lots of things but he taught me that the facts and the truth need to be delivered to every single person, regardless of their intelligence, so that they can form an educated opinion. And...believe me, there were more than a few things he told me about having changed his mind on after educating himself with material from the many different views on a matter. That was difficult for him but it was important to be known.
Side rant: pictures are no longer worth simply 1000 words; they’re now worth 1000 words of propaganda to EACH entity that writes the caption.
TL/DR - form your own opinion from the facts that come from firsthand sources, not from the people who are paid to tell you what their employer wants you to know.
The good news is that children are "almost immune to Covid 19."
A new study just released shows that 57% of people living in the slums of Mumbai either currently have or had Covid-19, which is over 5 million people. Where only 16 % the rest of Mumbai has tested positive for Covid-19. Statistics that clearly show that social distancing does help slow down the spread of the disease. However, the study also showed that the death rate in the slums of Mumbai is lower than here in the US. Which certainly does not make logical sense given the differences between our standard of healthcare and theirs. Thats not even factoring in all of the other variables that give us a considerable advantage here in the US.
So I certainly do not dismiss the excess death count at all. I just question the accuracy of the statistics being provided to the public due to the nature of this issue and our times. I am just weird because I have always been obsessed with statistics and data sets. I blame that on my love for collecting baseball cards as a kid. That said, statistics can show whatever you like if you change the parameters of the equation. With that in mind, I like to try to consider all of the variables to the equation rather than just taking the total numbers at face value without any consideration like the average Joe on the street.
Here are just some variables to consider:
According to the CDC's numbers 42% of all COVID deaths have occurred in nursing homes. Which is around 65k deaths in 4 months. To put that in perspective 65% of all nursing home patients die within the first six months of being admitted. At any given time we have around 1.4 million people in nursing homes. So while higher, 65k deaths over that time period isn't that crazy.
Also according to the CDC over 80% of the COVID deaths have been people over 65. Every year over 2 million seniors die every year, which is around 171k per month. So roughly 700K seniors should have died in the last four months. The reported numbers are showing that 120k have died from COVID in the last 4 months. Problem is that its always portrayed that the 120K would be an addition to the usual 700K and that is not the case. Usually these individuals are already dealing with other medical conditions that have deteriorated their immune systems to the point where COVID can prey upon them like it does.
Dr. Fauci, Dr Clifford, and the head of the CDC Dr Redfield stated in the New England Journal of Medicine that: "If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of COVD 19 my ultimately be more akin to those of severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately .1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively". Which is exactly what the recent study in Mumbai showed. They had 35k deaths giving them a 99.3% survival rate.
Now the criteria for counting COVID deaths has completely changed. We must consider how absurd that is. If someone has heart disease and dies in a car crash we would never attribute that death to his heart disease and yet we are doing that with COVID. Unfortunately, that very scenario occurred with a college friend of mine in July. He died in a motorcycle accident due to someone running a red light. However, his death was ruled as a COVID death since it was found that he was asymptomatic. I fail to see the logic in that. It also disturbs me that there have been doctors that have brought this very issue up and when they do how quickly they are silenced. As a free society should be able to discuss these issues from all points of view, but that doest not seem to be the case with this.
Sorry I will stop before I starting jumping of the deep end and really get into this.
To me this just is not a black white issue, there is a lot of grey here.
So true, unfortunately the majority of people out there only stay within their own echo chambers and are completely unaware that they are. They are not at all cognizant of the fact that they are being manipulated and controlled by both mainstream and social media. Its crazy to see that theories of Gustave Le Bon still apply to today. I often wonder what Edward Bernays would think if he were still alive today. I wonder if he would be proud or appalled.
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A couple that I know (friends of my family) came into contact with someone who had covid. Neither of them were feeling all that great, so they decided to get tested. They got to the test site, filled out the paperwork and waited for the test to be administered. After 1.5 hours of waiting and no end in sight, they left without tests. Two days later the couple were back at home and feeling much better when they received a phone call from the testing center. They were notified that they had tested positive, that they would have to quarantine and that contact tracing would be implemented immediately. The testing center was adamant that they did indeed get tested and that their results were absolutely positive. They were forced to comply with this tracing nonsense even though no tests were actually administered. No swab was done. No blood work. Nothing. Only papers filled out.
I have a niece and nephew in Miami, same thing, signed the register to get tested (name, contact info), left after tired of waiting, got calls insisting they got tested and are positive, and will be reported positive to the state so they better quarantine. See, what happens is .... ah who the hell knows... Medicine is not perfect, which I know can drive people who can't deal with gray areas crazy. Its not like "measure the voltage in this terminal and here is the spec", they treat symptoms and hope the root cause is the right one, then treat the next symptom, repeat.
By the way, I started watching House episodes, so I am on my way to my MD certification from Amazon Prime School of Medicine.
Strange, Andrea called to get tested. Was given a 2:30 appointment. Got it done at that time. Had results within 6 hours. Came back negative.
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I wouldn’t be surprised if all people who sign up for testing but leave before it’s done will be reported as positive. Could be ‘assuming the worst’ or could be some sort of financial motivation’. Meh, who knows?
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Surprising result regarding the neck gator, but it’s not meant to be a mask so...
Also...I understand why n95 masks aren’t recommended for the general public as their is a shortage and should be prioritized for medical/first responders, BUT could they at least comment on the protection they afford the wearer against filtering incoming water droplets vs the others. My guess is n95 perform similar for incoming as they do for outgoing compared to the others.
Social distance in the rain, but worth every bite.
Three guesses who the one is with the umbrella.
Three guesses who the one is with the umbrella.
Could be Bigfoot as blurry as that pic is
How does anyone know the depths of illness and causes in the slums of India? No way there is adequate, accurate testing going on.
We can't even trust the WHO and CDC here in the states.
In no way do I believe any numbers from India, China, Korea or Russia.
"but but but there was that one case that was counted as a covid death when they died in a car accident or whatever. Can't trust the numbers now"
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How about an extra 200,000 false positives tests in NC?
I don't trust the numbers right now. I hope someday they'll straighten it out and we'll know the real numbers.
edited : extra tests reported not positives results
I don't trust the numbers right now. I hope someday they'll straighten it out and we'll know the real numbers.
edited : extra tests reported not positives results
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Statistically I can even make fun of the numbers right now.
