SOA 40 ==> 60 axle swap help!

[Pipsqueekspire]

I need help! I have been searching the world for instructions on the Ruff Stuff 40 to 60 axle swap SOA kit and I cannot find anything. Ruff stuff is not too helpful. I want to confirm I am welding the frame widening platforms correctly. Does anyone know of a video or have pics of a completed project? Thanks!

Pics of my current state of affairs and piles of new parts.​

 

[EWheeler]

What springs are you using? Theres no “right way”, too many variables based on how you set it up.

Here is how i originally set mine up, shackle reversed with rear FJ60 springs up front. It ended up being too high and i put the shackle through the frame. May not be an issue if you are using shorter leaf springs.

The Asian Mistress 40 Build

Time for a new build in the Cruiser section! I have been working on my 40 over the past two years and I am finally getting to the point where I feel confident enough to take it out and beat on it a bit. I started out my 40 adventure over on MUD, but now primarily spend most of my time...

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Does anyone make taller high steer arms anymore?

I'm currently doing a Spring over and shackle reversal project on a 40 series. I have a set of trail gear high steer arms, and another set of high steer arms I got used (unknown make) I'm doing a cut and turn, but the problem is they aren't tall enough with the shackle reversal. With the caster...

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There is a metric s*** pile of information on MUD and Pirate to give you guidance. You just have to spend hours and hours reading and searching. I had a word file that had hundreds of links, photos, and info saved for each aspect of my build (lost in a hard drive crash).

 

[Firemedic831]

I know they do not mount where you are drilling

 

[Firemedic831]

Looks like you are missing a few pieces .

 

[Pipsqueekspire]

What springs are you using? Theres no “right way”, too many variables based on how you set it up.

I’m using 60 springs and keeping the shackle forward. I have the length and width measurements covered. The confusing part is exactly how the frame widening perch’s get welded on and in what order do I weld up everything.

I know they do not mount where you are drilling

thats my son cutting off the old…

 

[Pipsqueekspire]

Looks like you are missing a few pieces .

I just got the frame widening perches today. Did you do this swap?

 

[EWheeler]

The confusing part is exactly how the frame widening perch’s get welded on and in what order do I weld up everything.

Im confused how you can be confused.

You need to post photos with specific questions, not blanket “how do i’s” that ignore the 30 steps required to get from A to B.

 

[Firemedic831]

I just got the frame widening perches today. Did you do this swap?

Well I bought that exact kit 3 years ago and its still laying in the exact same spot . I was unsure how it went together as well when i got it . I ended up Linking my 40 instead .

 

[CondeCruiser]

Figure out how far forward you want the axle to sit. Tack on the front mounts. Measure your springs center of eye to center of eye. Use that same distance and tack your outboard mounts on. Pull measurements to make sure everything is square. Mock the axle up and put the weight of the truck on it to make sure your shackle angle is where you desire.

 

[matzell]

I hate to say it, but if you can not figure it out, this job may be a bit too much for you and you might want to get someone else to do it for you. Do not forget you will need to do a cut and turn on the front axle as well. That is another can of worms.

 

[White Stripe]

Top left you have your leaf perches that go to the axle. 2 for each axle. The wierd one is welded to the front right side. I don't see any bolt plates.

 

[MOTOV8R]

I’m using 60 springs and keeping the shackle forward. I have the length and width measurements covered. The confusing part is exactly how the frame widening perch’s get welded on and in what order do I weld up everything.

thats my son cutting off the old…

When I put 60 axles on my troopie I offset the hangers the amount I wanted and then made a gusset plate to support the hanger. I can probably add a pic when I find them. I did a SR though.

 

[Pipsqueekspire]

When I put 60 axles on my troopie I offset the hangers the amount I wanted and then made a gusset plate to support the hanger. I can probably add a pic when I find them. I did a SR though.

SR pics still help. Just want to see it all welded up.

My concern is that I tack things together then realized I have to cut it all off again to actually weld the small pieces

I hate to say it, but if you can not figure it out, this job may be a bit too much for you and you might want to get someone else to do it for you. Do not forget you will need to do a cut and turn on the front axle as well. That is another can of worms.

I’m having the turn done at a shop. This kit comes with nothing. No instructions no pics no videos. My specific question is do you know of a pic or video. If you don’t then you’re not helping. Sure I can figure it out but boy it would be helpful if someone else who knew how to do this job had a pic or a video. Do you?

 

[Pipsqueekspire]

Well I bought that exact kit 3 years ago and its still laying in the exact same spot . I was unsure how it went together as well when i got it . I ended up Linking my 40 instead .

It’s too late for me. I already cut off all the old mounts and rivets.

What springs are you using? Theres no “right way”, too many variables based on how you set it up.

Here is how i originally set mine up, shackle reversed with rear FJ60 springs up front. It ended up being too high and i put the shackle through the frame. May not be an issue if you are using shorter leaf springs.

The Asian Mistress 40 Build

Time for a new build in the Cruiser section! I have been working on my 40 over the past two years and I am finally getting to the point where I feel confident enough to take it out and beat on it a bit. I started out my 40 adventure over on MUD, but now primarily spend most of my time...

www.pirate4x4.com

Does anyone make taller high steer arms anymore?

I'm currently doing a Spring over and shackle reversal project on a 40 series. I have a set of trail gear high steer arms, and another set of high steer arms I got used (unknown make) I'm doing a cut and turn, but the problem is they aren't tall enough with the shackle reversal. With the caster...

forum.ih8mud.com

There is a metric s*** pile of information on MUD and Pirate to give you guidance. You just have to spend hours and hours reading and searching. I had a word file that had hundreds of links, photos, and info saved for each aspect of my build (lost in a hard drive crash).

Ive been searching but haven’t found anything about this kit yet. Grrrrrr

 

[MOTOV8R]

What springs are you using? Here is how i originally set mine up, shackle reversed with rear FJ60 springs up front. It ended up being too high and i put the shackle through the frame. May not be an issue if you are using shorter leaf springs.

I had to do shackles through the frame as well. Makes for some funky shackles. It was still taller than I wanted so ended up doing SUA with some rear 60 series OME springs up front for the added length.

 

[Pipsqueekspire]

When I put 60 axles on my troopie I offset the hangers the amount I wanted and then made a gusset plate to support the hanger. I can probably add a pic when I find them. I did a SR though.

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Wow you must have sent a long time getting those old hangers off so neatly!

 

[EWheeler]

Lots of applicable pics in the first link in my first post. Even though it is shackle reversal, the outboarding is essentially the same regardless if it is for a spring hanger or shackle hanger. Click the link to Pirate4x4 Asian Mistress build thread. Lots of photos on page 4, which is the page the link takes you to.

 

[Pipsqueekspire]

What springs are you using? Theres no “right way”, too many variables based on how you set it up.

Here is how i originally set mine up, shackle reversed with rear FJ60 springs up front. It ended up being too high and i put the shackle through the frame. May not be an issue if you are using shorter leaf springs.

The Asian Mistress 40 Build

Time for a new build in the Cruiser section! I have been working on my 40 over the past two years and I am finally getting to the point where I feel confident enough to take it out and beat on it a bit. I started out my 40 adventure over on MUD, but now primarily spend most of my time...

www.pirate4x4.com

Does anyone make taller high steer arms anymore?

I'm currently doing a Spring over and shackle reversal project on a 40 series. I have a set of trail gear high steer arms, and another set of high steer arms I got used (unknown make) I'm doing a cut and turn, but the problem is they aren't tall enough with the shackle reversal. With the caster...

forum.ih8mud.com

There is a metric s*** pile of information on MUD and Pirate to give you guidance. You just have to spend hours and hours reading and searching. I had a word file that had hundreds of links, photos, and info saved for each aspect of my build (lost in a hard drive crash).

Thanks!

 

[vfrer]

Here's a shot of mine. SR with 60 axles and 40 stock springs.

 

[Pipsqueekspire]

Here's a shot of mine. SR with 60 axles and 40 stock springs.View attachment 3811031

Thanks. Do you have a pic of the welds around your diff for the cut out (non ubolt) passenger side spring perch? This helps!