Overthinking things - Need some advice on a snorkel

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So I've been going back and forth on what to do about a snorkel for my 80 series for awhile now. I think it's time to make a post here and get some other perspectives on it.

So here's a rundown of my thinking. When I got my 80, it didn't have a snorkel. I was also certain I wasn't going to fit one. I simply didn't feel I needed it. I had a 1993 hilux before my 80 with a snorkel, and it wasn't ever used in its life. All it did was make vibration noise when the engine was sitting at 70km/h. My 80 is my DD. When I take it off road, which I try to as often as I can, I don't mind getting into rough stuff, but I'll tend to avoid things that have a real risk of writing off the car. Fording a river would be one of those things. I've extended my diff breathers, but I figured I would avoid water that was actually at the level of running over the bonnet. The 80 series air intake is in a great spot. With water below bonnet level I'm not too worried as long as I don't park it in the water. I also live in Australia. That's important, because in Australia we tend to have too little water, and too much dust. As I said, the 80 series air intake is great. It's high up inside the front quarter panel, and I don't know about in the US, but here in Aus it's fitted with a cyclonic pre-filter to dump out dirt and large particles, like this:
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This is already inside the front quarter panel, which will act as a natural large particle filter of its own. My air filter stays very clean as a result.

So, what's changed my mind? Well about 18 months ago I was out on a trip with a few people. We camped at a site near a small stream. Overnight there was a freak storm that dumped a bunch of rain. In the morning, the trickle of a creek was now quite an active flowing river. There was no way at all to leave where I was without crossing that river, and it was uncomfortably high. Nobody give me grief about driving through flood waters please, I know enough to do it safely, and I'm old and wise enough to happily let one of the young eager blokes volunteer his vehicle to go first :flipoff2:. It wasn't a long crossing, but the water flowed up over the bonnet of the 80. I pushed a bow wave and kept it going and got through it safe and sound with a dry filter. It was enough to make me reconsider my position though. If I'm going to find myself in a situation where I'm stuck without an uncomfortable water crossing, I'd rather be able to do it without the risk of hydrolocking my engine.

So then, if I get a snorkel, what one to get? My go-to for this would be a Safari snorkel. They're expensive, but they make good stuff and they're very popular here in Australia. My problem? They make them like this:
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So basically I'd be going from a shielded intake with a cyclonic pre-filter, to a massive unfiltered open ram scoop facing forward. I can just imagine that on dusty outback roads, possibly travelling in convoy behind a bunch of other vehicles. My nice clean air filter will look a bit different I think. I see a lot of other people here running these kind of snorkels, but honestly I think a lot of other people get them for looks and never see a water crossing in their life anyway, and I don't give a toss about looks. Since high water crossings are going to be rare for my vehicle, it seems a pretty big tradeoff to suck in dirtier air all the time for a rare event. I'd like a snorkel I could quickly attach and remove for the two minutes I'd like it every six months, if such a thing existed (and if it does, please tell me!).

So what do I do? Well, I've thought about fitting the cyclonic pre-filter from the Toyota genuine factory snorkel for the 80 series (IE, the "bird feeder", as shown here:
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The only problem is... well you know how I said I don't give a toss about looks? I lied. Damn that's ugly. I also worry it'll get snagged on branches in the bush. Technically it might be the best option to alleviate my concerns about dust though. I know I don't want the full 80 series factory snorkel though, that thing's not sealed properly for water, and it's just too fussy to fit. I'd probably get a Safari snorkel base and adapt it to fit this head. Or cheap out and adapt a china one from ebay. Either way.

All that work and what the end result looks like though, makes me go back and question if I really need one in the first place.

I don't know. Thoughts? Opinions? What would you do?
 
You could fork over the money for a moonlight. They look good, super tough, and are sleek/ won’t get caught on things
That's a stainless steel snorkel, right? The ones that have the pipe facing to the rear? I mean, I could turn the ram scoop backwards too on a generic or Safari snorkel. I don't think it does much to keep out the dust. It would give me a few less bugs in the filter though.
 
If you’re not planning on regular water crossings, I would keep the beneficial cyclonic pre-filter and save your money on the snorkel. Build for your mission.

If you’re camping near a creek again, camp on the side that allows you an escape route or wait out the rising water. Flash floods are fast to build and fast to dissipate. Larger storms should be easy to forecast and avoid.
 
That's a stainless steel snorkel, right? The ones that have the pipe facing to the rear? I mean, I could turn the ram scoop backwards too on a generic or Safari snorkel. I don't think it does much to keep out the dust. It would give me a few less bugs in the filter
All snorkels raised the height of the intake above the level that dust usually settles at. People seem to agree that when your following someone else ons dusty road, the majority of the dust will live around headlight level.

I had an Amazon snorkel on my last 80 with the hat facing forward and I had significantly less dust in my filter than my girlfriends 80 without one.

prefilters do work! But most of the dust mitigation done by snorkels is because the intake is above denser level of dust.

OR SO IVE HEARD.
 
So I've been going back and forth on what to do about a snorkel for my 80 series for awhile now. I think it's time to make a post here and get some other perspectives on it.

So here's a rundown of my thinking. When I got my 80, it didn't have a snorkel. I was also certain I wasn't going to fit one. I simply didn't feel I needed it. I had a 1993 hilux before my 80 with a snorkel, and it wasn't ever used in its life. All it did was make vibration noise when the engine was sitting at 70km/h. My 80 is my DD. When I take it off road, which I try to as often as I can, I don't mind getting into rough stuff, but I'll tend to avoid things that have a real risk of writing off the car. Fording a river would be one of those things. I've extended my diff breathers, but I figured I would avoid water that was actually at the level of running over the bonnet. The 80 series air intake is in a great spot. With water below bonnet level I'm not too worried as long as I don't park it in the water. I also live in Australia. That's important, because in Australia we tend to have too little water, and too much dust. As I said, the 80 series air intake is great. It's high up inside the front quarter panel, and I don't know about in the US, but here in Aus it's fitted with a cyclonic pre-filter to dump out dirt and large particles, like this:
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This is already inside the front quarter panel, which will act as a natural large particle filter of its own. My air filter stays very clean as a result.

So, what's changed my mind? Well about 18 months ago I was out on a trip with a few people. We camped at a site near a small stream. Overnight there was a freak storm that dumped a bunch of rain. In the morning, the trickle of a creek was now quite an active flowing river. There was no way at all to leave where I was without crossing that river, and it was uncomfortably high. Nobody give me grief about driving through flood waters please, I know enough to do it safely, and I'm old and wise enough to happily let one of the young eager blokes volunteer his vehicle to go first :flipoff2:. It wasn't a long crossing, but the water flowed up over the bonnet of the 80. I pushed a bow wave and kept it going and got through it safe and sound with a dry filter. It was enough to make me reconsider my position though. If I'm going to find myself in a situation where I'm stuck without an uncomfortable water crossing, I'd rather be able to do it without the risk of hydrolocking my engine.

So then, if I get a snorkel, what one to get? My go-to for this would be a Safari snorkel. They're expensive, but they make good stuff and they're very popular here in Australia. My problem? They make them like this:
View attachment 2610168
So basically I'd be going from a shielded intake with a cyclonic pre-filter, to a massive unfiltered open ram scoop facing forward. I can just imagine that on dusty outback roads, possibly travelling in convoy behind a bunch of other vehicles. My nice clean air filter will look a bit different I think. I see a lot of other people here running these kind of snorkels, but honestly I think a lot of other people get them for looks and never see a water crossing in their life anyway, and I don't give a toss about looks. Since high water crossings are going to be rare for my vehicle, it seems a pretty big tradeoff to suck in dirtier air all the time for a rare event. I'd like a snorkel I could quickly attach and remove for the two minutes I'd like it every six months, if such a thing existed (and if it does, please tell me!).

So what do I do? Well, I've thought about fitting the cyclonic pre-filter from the Toyota genuine factory snorkel for the 80 series (IE, the "bird feeder", as shown here:
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The only problem is... well you know how I said I don't give a toss about looks? I lied. Damn that's ugly. I also worry it'll get snagged on branches in the bush. Technically it might be the best option to alleviate my concerns about dust though. I know I don't want the full 80 series factory snorkel though, that thing's not sealed properly for water, and it's just too fussy to fit. I'd probably get a Safari snorkel base and adapt it to fit this head. Or cheap out and adapt a china one from ebay. Either way.

All that work and what the end result looks like though, makes me go back and question if I really need one in the first place.

I don't know. Thoughts? Opinions? What would you do?
I've been having the same debate and have yet to pull the trigger on a snorkel. When I do, I'm going to use a Donaldson Topspin as a pre-filter. It's not the greatest looking option, but IMO, better than the OEM.

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If you’re not planning on regular water crossings, I would keep the beneficial cyclonic pre-filter and save your money on the snorkel. Build for your mission.

If you’re camping near a creek again, camp on the side that allows you an escape route or wait out the rising water. Flash floods are fast to build and fast to dissipate. Larger storms should be easy to forecast and avoid.
That is a fair point, and it's what has stopped me doing anything so far. There's every chance after this thread I'll still sit on this for another 18 months.

Now that I've asked the question here though, I might play this out a bit more and try and figure out, if I did decide I wanted one "just in case", or if I found myself wanting to handle water more often, which one would I get with the dust issue in mind?

I've looked at the stainless snorkels a bit more. They're pricey. Not sure I like the "chromed up" look, especially on an 80. The "moonlight" ones with the black powder coating are an improvement though. One advantage I see is they're tough, basically acting as a brush bar on that side of the cab. I don't think I've heard of people having problems with the ARB or Safari ones breaking though. The plastic ones can flex, which might be better in real life than being solid. There's also no option to keep a cyclonic pre-filter.

If I went with a traditional plastic snorkel, I could always try out a cyclonic head vs a regular one. In the city it probably won't make a bit of difference, so I could just keep the traditional ram scoop on normally, and switch out the head to a cyclonic pre-filter if I was going on a trek to somewhere particularly dry and dusty. That might be the way to go actually. Best of both worlds.
 
I've been having the same debate and have yet to pull the trigger on a snorkel. When I do, I'm going to use a Donaldson Topspin as a pre-filter. It's not the greatest looking option, but IMO, better than the OEM.
Thanks, I've seen them around but haven't looked into them very much. Any specific things that make you favour that over OEM? Just looks, or is there something technical? I don't actually have a clue how well the Toyota snorkel pre-filters work myself, I just assume they work well because.... Toyota.
 
Keep an eye out for something second hand, I’ve managed to pick up 3 safari snorkels (the top spec one with lifetime warranty) for $50, $50 and $70.
The two $50 ones had a cracked cover, but you can buy the front cover for like $8 and the ram head for like $65.
so even at $120 it’s a great option, but to hell with paying ~$500...

(edit I’m in Australia as well)
 
I've been having the same debate and have yet to pull the trigger on a snorkel. When I do, I'm going to use a Donaldson Topspin as a pre-filter. It's not the greatest looking option, but IMO, better than the OEM.

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i have had this topper and i really like it, the bottom has louvers like OP's inside fender prefilter....it makes the air going down into the snorkel vortex... i have NEVER thought a front facing snorkel topper was a good idea like so many have.

 
Keep an eye out for something second hand, I’ve managed to pick up 3 safari snorkels (the top spec one with lifetime warranty) for $50, $50 and $70.
The two $50 ones had a cracked cover, but you can buy the front cover for like $8 and the ram head for like $65.
so even at $120 it’s a great option, but to hell with paying ~$500...

(edit I’m in Australia as well)
bruh can you get one of those fancy stainless ones or are they just made like by an exhaust shop?
 
@Nemesis1207 Is your 80 gas or diesel? If you are diesel and plan on running higher boost with an aftermarket turbo, using a 4" inlet path (Like a moonlight snorkel with a moonlight airbox) is required. I'm not sure if that is a consideration for you or not.
 
It has been proven on here that the cheap Chynese snorkels also help when in a rollover.

Buy the cheap one, then buy a clear cyclonic inlet from a Farmall tractor or something like that. They have tractors in AUS, right?

A couple folks here have done something similar.
 
I'll just share personal experience since there is plenty of other information available. I had my first 80 for 15 years without a snorkel. I am not afraid to cross streams etc where necessary but I don't seek them out. Not having a snorkel didn't seem to be missing anything. After getting my second 80 I installed a snorkel because I had seen firsthand how much it reduced dust on friends vehicles. Dust is the primary concern where I live as well. After getting the snorkel (even with the front facing inlet) there was a noticeable reduction in dust getting to the air filter. The air filter lifespan easily doubled with the snorkel before needing to replace or clean the filter.

Then a couple years ago I added the OEM Pre-cleaner (birdfeeder). Yeah, I know not everyone likes the look, especially the Aussies. :) but I don't mind the look. With the pre-cleaner my air filter is staying clean even longer than it was with the standard inlet. I drive a lot of miles each year offroad in dusty conditions and I just recently replaced my OEM paper filter after running the same one (with no cleaning needed) for more than 2 years since before installing the pre-cleaner.

Air filters aren't that expensive so it's not about the cost saving of longer filter life, but having a filter stay clean for that long means much less dust getting into the engine. Those cost savings are worth it to me. Again, this is my personal experience.
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Untitled by Adam Tolman, on Flickr
 
I'll just share personal experience since there is plenty of other information available. I had my first 80 for 15 years without a snorkel. I am not afraid to cross streams etc where necessary but I don't seek them out. Not having a snorkel didn't seem to be missing anything. After getting my second 80 I installed a snorkel because I had seen firsthand how much it reduced dust on friends vehicles. Dust is the primary concern where I live as well. After getting the snorkel (even with the front facing inlet) there was a noticeable reduction in dust getting to the air filter. The air filter lifespan easily doubled with the snorkel before needing to replace or clean the filter.

Then a couple years ago I added the OEM Pre-cleaner (birdfeeder). Yeah, I know not everyone likes the look, especially the Aussies. :) but I don't mind the look. With the pre-cleaner my air filter is staying clean even longer than it was with the standard inlet. I drive a lot of miles each year offroad in dusty conditions and I just recently replaced my OEM paper filter after running the same one (with no cleaning needed) for more than 2 years since before installing the pre-cleaner.

Air filters aren't that expensive so it's not about the cost saving of longer filter life, but having a filter stay clean for that long means much less dust getting into the engine. Those cost savings are worth it to me. Again, this is my personal experience.
Untitled by Adam Tolman, on Flickr

Untitled by Adam Tolman, on Flickr
What's your setup? Safari with OEM birdfeeder? I've been tossing around the idea of getting one for mine, and yours looks effectively identical to what I envisioned. More pictures if you got 'em!

We've had some deep crossings lately. While they haven't proved to be an issue, I want to remove that "what if" that's in the back of my mind.
 
I personally would skip the snorkel. As you stated the OEM setup works well and even worked when you had to make a surprise high water crossing.

I agree there's always the potential to improve on dust ingress and such with a properly setup snorkel but at the same time its easy to swap an air filter slightly more often.
 
What's your setup? Safari with OEM birdfeeder? I've been tossing around the idea of getting one for mine, and yours looks effectively identical to what I envisioned. More pictures if you got 'em!

We've had some deep crossings lately. While they haven't proved to be an issue, I want to remove that "what if" that's in the back of my mind.
I have a Safari clone (knock-off) snorkel with the "birdfeeder" pre-cleaner. The diameter of the OEM snorkel opening is smaller than the safari snorkel so the pre-cleaner doesn't fit over the outside of the snorkel body like the standard inlet. I used some heat to expand the top of the snorkel and cut some short slots in the top of the snorkel (similar to how the standard inlet head has slots on the bottom) so that the pre-cleaner tube fits inside of the snorkel body instead of the other way around. I used a 4" rubber plumbing coupler over the junction with two hose clamps just to make sure it was sealed well. Has works well for the past couple years.

IMG_4995 by Adam Tolman, on Flickr

IMG_5017 by Adam Tolman, on Flickr
 
You don't need the snorkel for most water crossings. It is more important that you install appropriate diff breathers and waterproof the distributor.
Yes, the stock intake design is good, but the snorkel will provide cleaner and cooler air for the engine.
I convoy through central Niger. Sand, dirt, and dust are everywhere--may be similar to your area. There's no water crossing--all the water is either deep below the surface or in isolated oases. Every vehicle has a snorkel. Every driver here recommends one.
 

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