My 84 BJ60, the Nipperwagon. SOA, 35''s, Locked.

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Yea, I definitely want to put a 6bt in the truck, but I'll turbo and kill the 3B first (if i ever gives up). I can update this thread, I've been lazy. Today while driving, I hear a loud whirling sound from the rear end, got under to find it puking apple sauce thick metallic goo, and more pinion play than I could ever imagine. Something is seriously wrong, and this will be the third time this rear end has blown up in a year. It must be the workmanship at the shop, because it's pretty hard for a 82bhp truck to blow 9.5in rear ends every few months. It was already warrantied once, but is 5 months out of original 12 month warranty (it was rebuild under warranty in February), so we'll see how it goes.

On a positive note, progress! Time to add another gauge to my collection. I figured it would be a wise investment before my 1500km trip to BC and back.

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I wonder what this is for?

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I completely forgot to take progress photos, my bad.

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Mocked up on the truck:

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Judging by the garage door, I would say that's the only way the truck will fit indoors.
 
Nice! Turbo that thing already. You'll really want it turbo'd for the hills between BC and Alta...

Check out my sig line, you'll see my turbo job. With your fab skills, you can easily make your own manifold and source a decent turbo for $2-300 and rebuild it. You'll be glad you did ;)

That's one nice shop there too! I've got a thing for wood working so I'm a little envious of all the space....
 
Here we go again. Just after my BC trip something in the driveline had started howling, it got worse over a few days so I crawled under the truck and found a thick goo seeping from the oil seal, when I grabbed the pinion not only did it have immense play in all directions, I could rotate it almost 1/4 turn with the tires on the ground. I figured the pinion bearings had worn completely, I decided to call Alberta Driveline and inquire on my issue. (The shop that has working on the rear end since day 1 of my ownership).

I called the shop first thing Monday morning and told them what had happened. I was told that the pinion bearings were sixteen months old, four months over the given warranty terms from March 2010. I decided to cut my losses and start tearing into. The oil was so thick it had the consistency of ketchup, I let it drain for almost half-an-hour and decided to pull the cover and start scooping out goo. I was scooping oil from the bottom of the differential when I felt an object, a bolt. At this point I started inspecting the differential, and it became known to me that 7 out of 9 bolts holding the cylinder cap on the locker had backed out, been chewed up by the ring and pinion and mixed with the oil damaging anything that needed lubrication in the axle. I called it a night and would call the shop in the morning.

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That next day I talked with the owner of Alberta Driveline about the issue (who has been there as long as I have ever been to Alberta Driveline). He gave me permission to finish removing the third member and bring it to the shop so we could deal with it. The diagnosis of the third member showed that the bolts had indeed backed off and caused the issue, they had not been installed correctly in January when the spider gears were replaced. They ordered the parts and called me three days later letting me know that the differential was ready to be picked up. Upon pickup we went over the differential, the pinion bearings were replaced (they fell apart upon disassembly), as well as the pinion seal and crush sleeve. I was told the carrier bearings were fine. Backlash was set to 10thou, and the locker was air tested and locked with no leaks when they applied their shop compressor to it. I asked about what looked to be a poor drive side pattern on the ring; they assured me that under load it would be fine. I was told that they would cover all the labour, and I will cover the parts; that seemed fair to me, this was four months out of the warranty period, they could have denied warranty. Up to this point I am very impressed with the customer service; they admitted their faults and repaired them.

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I took the third member to another driveline shop that carries ARB and have a proper tool with a regulator to test for air leaks in the locker. Upon inspection he noticed that out of the three air seal housing screws, two were tight while one was only half threaded in. I was upset, if that had not been noticed, I’m sure it would have fallen out within a few hundred kilometres. Backlash was checked as well, 16thou. When we applied air to the locker not only did it not lock, but you could feel the air from the seals on your hand and see the oil bubbling. Back to Alberta Driveline I go.

I talked to the owner once again, and told him everything that I had just discovered. When he saw that the bolt was not tightened he looked speechless. He took the differential and told me they would check it over. About two hours later I got the call it was ready to go. We went over the differential again, he showed me the adjusted backlash, the air seal bolts were tightened, and new o-rings were installed. Now I’m seriously double guessing the workmanship, are the carrier bearings good? Is the drive pattern going to be fine? Either way I was on my way home, with a new updated receipt with “no warranty” at the bottom.

I decided to check the carrier cap bolts that they replaced, because at this point my trust level with their work is pretty low. Some of the bolts were nowhere near tight, and there looked to be a slight sign of red loctite on only one bolt, but the others showed no solid evidence. It looked as if they went to the used bolt bin, found the same thread pitch bolts, and grinded them to make them fit. They were covered in greasy gunk, so even if red loctite was applied, it was not in the environment to cure. This was the worst bolt of all, it had been grinded down so the head had a small enough diameter to fit in the locker; how the hell do you properly torque a bolt when there is no head, let alone no threads. I pulled this bolt out using an 8mm 1/4 socket with my fingers.

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After I cleaned all the bolts, threads and applied loctite I started re-assembling. I replaced the axle bearings, seals, and ARB air line fittings. I took the truck for a test drive, the rear howls like a motherf**ker! It's obnoxious, anything over 50km/h under load puts a high pitch howl throughout the interior of the truck. To add to the issues the locker made some crazy snapping noises when taking the odd turn for the first couple hundred kilometers, and the locker is not locking properly. So where am I at now you ask? I'm ordering a new locker, a new ring and pinion, new bearings, a solid spacer, and replacing everything. I'll be using a shop I trust because this is the last time I ever want to deal with the rear end on this truck, $5000 on a rear end in two years is stupid. I don't want to take this picture again in the future.

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That's some major suck! Sorry to hear about your ordeals and I hope your new shop is a good one.
 
Holy crap, that sucks. So you came in three times total, talked to the owner directly, and they made some half-assed ground-down bolts and hand-tightened them with no locktite? You'd think after that interaction with the owner, he would go in back and personally supervise whoever was putting your third together. Unless neither one of them knows what they're doing.
 
Holy crap, that sucks. So you came in three times total, talked to the owner directly, and they made some half-assed ground-down bolts and hand-tightened them with no locktite? You'd think after that interaction with the owner, he would go in back and personally supervise whoever was putting your third together. Unless neither one of them knows what they're doing.

You got it, it really is sad. I don't know whether the owner is completely oblivious to what goes on behind the shop door, or they just wanted to half ass fix it and get this young kid out the door. On a positive note, the customer service at the shop is above par; I was always treated extremely well, only if their quality of work could back that up. I'm in the middle of writing a review of my experience from day 1 to my current situation with the shop, people need to hear about these things. I also think that the shop expects me to know a lot less than I actually do.

It's the same thing with tuner shops around here for my Corolla. I refuse to take it to anyone to get work done that I can ever do myself. I had one shop that I used last year but it is no longer around, it seems that everyone wants high quality of work, but they are not willing to pay for it. I tell every shop I deal with, "do the work properly, if it costs me a bit more to have it done right the first time it's not an issue".
 
You got it, it really is sad. I don't know whether the owner is completely oblivious to what goes on behind the shop door, or they just wanted to half ass fix it and get this young kid out the door. On a positive note, the customer service at the shop is above par; I was always treated extremely well, only if their quality of work could back that up. I'm in the middle of writing a review of my experience from day 1 to my current situation with the shop, people need to hear about these things. I also think that the shop expects me to know a lot less than I actually do.

It's the same thing with tuner shops around here for my Corolla. I refuse to take it to anyone to get work done that I can ever do myself. I had one shop that I used last year but it is no longer around, it seems that everyone wants high quality of work, but they are not willing to pay for it. I tell every shop I deal with, "do the work properly, if it costs me a bit more to have it done right the first time it's not an issue".

I ran into the same problem with my old honda race car. Nobody wanted to work with it since nothing was stock. When I found a shop that would do the work, they couldn't figure out what they were doing, so eventually I ended up learning to build everything myself and getting help from friends. I hope to never take my LC to anyone for any reason. If it needs to be done, I'll do it myself.
 
So the night before we left to Golden I had an endless list of things to accomplish mechanically on the truck, yet for some crazy reason I decided to do this. We didn't go to bed that night, but it was worth it.

You know you drive an awesome truck when you get attractive woman flashing their phone numbers on their laptops from another car on the highway.:grinpimp:

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12 hours, 4 quarts of bondo, and 8 rattle cans later...

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The color is GM Cordova Brown, it matches perfectly. It's unbelievable.

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Random Corolla shots.;p

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See it yet?

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Wait, what does that valve cover say again? Nissan?:D

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Dude that totally sucks about that shop. I just don't know how someone obviously liked cars enough in the first place to work in a shop, and the work they do is awful.

Nice Corolla! Have any videos of it on youtube or something?

Did you paint the whole cruiser or just the side? Girls don't go nuts over my 60 :frown:
 
Long time no update, the graphics card crashed on my laptop, so being able to transfer and upload images has become a pain in the ass. I also had a 3000 word review on the driveline shop written up, but the laptop crashed before I posted it. I'll be getting a new computer soon, and you can bet that review will be posted up on every forum that has to do with vehicles.

I pulled the cover off of my diff to figure out why my diff wasnt locking, they replaced the leaking o-ring with one much too large, which ripped leading the rear locker to not lock at all. Hopefully if all goes good, I'll be able to afford a new ARB equipped third for the rear in a few weeks.

I would say out about 80% of teeth have cracks. I reached up to one tooth and a chunk of tooth literally transferred to my fingers when I touched it, I have no idea how it's still intact. You can see just how s***ty that drive pattern is.

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But I do have good news, other than saving 15% by changing my car insurance to Gieco I found one of these at Pick N Pull:

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These are equipped with 3.0L 5cyl turbo diesels, the turbo should be a great match for my 3.4L 4cyl 3B. T25 with a t3 flange, .48 a/r on the exhaust, nice and small. Time to fab a manifold.:D

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Are you sure the rear axle isn't even a little bit tweaked? This shop seems pretty bad but I wonder if there is a reason its been such a trouble spot and they just weren't good enough to find it. I'd hate to see you blow another diff due to something else. You got screwed enough as it is. I couldn't believe the picture of that bolt they ground the head off of. That is some serious laziness.
 
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Are you sure the rear axle isn't even a little bit tweaked? This shop seems pretty bad but I wonder if there is a reason its been such a trouble spot and they just weren't good enough to find it. I'd hate to see you blow another diff due to something else. You got screwed enough as it is. I couldn't believe the picture of that bolt they ground the head off of. That is some serious laziness.

The axle housing is fine, if the rear housing was bent if I couldn't notice it while driving, I would assume I would notice the tires wearing improperly. Every time I have had a problem with the rear diff is directly related to Alberta Driveline's poor workmanship. The first time it went back they didn't install the spider gears properly, the second time was because the bolts holding the housing together were not torqued and fastened properly when the spider gears were replaced again, the third time was because I had the backlash and preload double checked and it was way out of spec, the locker also did not lock, and the pattern looked poor on the drive side, but I was told "as the diff sees load the pattern will shift to a proper position on the tooth". Now it's the forth time, I think, I've almost lost count; the "acceptable pattern" they left me with howls like a banshee, and I get chunks of metal in the oil that I have now changed twice in 5000km in order to at least save the bearings. All in just over a year in a half time.
 
Mmmmmm 3B Turbo
 
That roof rack looks sweet KingSpence - low profile to the roof, stout enough to walk on/take a beating from trees etc. I want to get some time to make one similar to that. I was going to do round pipe, but the square tube looks easier to get the angles right and looks good on the truck too...

Top Stuff!!!

How did you end up clamping it to the roof gutters?
 
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That roof rack looks sweet KingSpence - low profile to the roof, stout enough to walk on/take a beating from trees etc. I want to get some time to make one similar to that. I was going to do round pipe, but the square tube looks easier to get the angles right and looks good on the truck too...

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How did you end up clamping it to the roof gutters?

I love the rack, and it has proved handy more times than I had ever thought. I'm always having to carry stuff up there for work, and being the size it is you can pretty much put anything on it. I've had three of us up on the rack on day when we were out wheeling, so it holds over 500lbs. I'll take a photo of the gutter brackets I made, super and easy; all I used was a vice, hammer, and a drill. I thought about going round pipe as well, but the square stuff it much easier to work with.
 

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