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[GLTHFJ60]

Hey Johnny didn't know if you might be interested in this https://forum.ih8mud.com/atlanta-custom-creations/610318-acc-fall-gathering-gmp.html.... Myself and a few other ohio/nky guys are planning on heading to GMP for this and just thought i would throw it out there for ya...

The diesel is coming along nicely... I need some of your motivation so i can get to work on mine... I just about got all the big ticket items sitting in the garage now...

Thanks for the invite Chris!!! While I'd love to get out to there to this event but my timeline has been pushed back far enough that I'm not sure it'll be done by then. We'll have to see how the next month or two goes before I can commit.

You're ahead of me in terms of the swap if you've got all of the driveline items already. I've still got to pick up $3-4k worth of transmission and transfer adapters before I've got everything

Did you find an NV4500 yet? There is a used parts supplier here in Knoxville that has one for $1100. I checked the mileage on it but can't remember what it was exactly, I think somewhere around 150k. Let me know if your interested.

I also just finished reading your entire thread. Its been a wealth of knowledge. I am in the process of getting my 4BD1T mocked up and wanting to do a SOA. Reading this has given me a lot of insight. THANKS and keep up the good work.

I have a 2f and trans for sale if you know of anyone wanting one.

Thanks for the compliments! This thread serves the purpose of gaining advice from the awesome members of this board, but also to document what I've done, in detail, so I can go back and use this as a reference.

I have found a NV4500, but I have not bought one as of yet. I'm planning on having Scott @ http://tndieselpower.com/ build me a NV4500 with a Dodge input and Chevy 4x4 output. It'll cost me $2100, but then I can run the significantly cheaper Dodge clutch / flywheel setup as well as my 32 spline input NP203.

Fuel pin is easy to get to whenever but there would be an advantage with the head off to get the top of the IP off and put in the governor spring. So I would suggest putting in the spring now and playing with the fuel pin later.

You're getting 60lbs valve springs right? You probably mentioned it already but I cannot remember.

Yup, I've got the 60# valve springs with the head, both of which are at the machine shop right now.

I'm still new to the world of VE pumps, so bear with me, but do I have to monkey with the fuel settings to put the governor spring in?

Thanks again for the help Mike!

 

[boots4]

I'm still new to the world of VE pumps, so bear with me, but do I have to monkey with the fuel settings to put the governor spring in?

Thanks again for the help Mike!

This was my experience when installing the governor spring. The link to the other site still works and has the trick in it so that you don't have to touch/back out the power screw. I did have to play with the idle screw but just mark that and return it to your mark and you'll at least start from where it was. Eventually you'll be playing with all those adjustments anyways.

https://forum.ih8mud.com/showpost.php?p=3376090&postcount=495

 

[gothodgie]

keeping an eye out for ya...

http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/pts/3295189862.html

 

[GLTHFJ60]

This was my experience when installing the governor spring. The link to the other site still works and has the trick in it so that you don't have to touch/back out the power screw. I did have to play with the idle screw but just mark that and return it to your mark and you'll at least start from where it was. Eventually you'll be playing with all those adjustments anyways.

https://forum.ih8mud.com/showpost.php?p=3376090&postcount=495

Mike, you are the man. I will get to this as soon as I have some free time. Those inner hex cap screws would be a PITA to get to with the head on, so the IP comes apart!

Thank you sir

keeping an eye out for ya...

http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/pts/3295189862.html

Thanks Chris! My plan is now 100% to have a custom NV4500 assembled, with a dodge input ( to use the cheaper clutch / flywheel ) and then the stronger chevy 5th gear and 32 spline output. This will allow me to run the NP203.

Thanks for keeping an eye out for me!



In other news, I picked up a alternator / water outlet / AC setup from a '96 Cummins Ram. This will allow me to run more common parts and give me the factory look I lust after

 

[Wyoming]

In other news, I picked up a alternator / water outlet / AC setup from a '96 Cummins Ram. This will allow me to run more common parts and give me the factory look I lust after

Are you sure yuo can run the Dodge alternator? I was told by the guys at Dodge that it was controlled by the CPU and that it gave progressive amps according to what was turned on in the car. I was told I had to run a Chevy single wire alternator. I'll be bent if you can make a Dodge alternator work (Wouldn't have had to refab that alt bracket either).

Good to see you back at it Johnny!

 

[GLTHFJ60]

Are you sure yuo can run the Dodge alternator? I was told by the guys at Dodge that it was controlled by the CPU and that it gave progressive amps according to what was turned on in the car. I was told I had to run a Chevy single wire alternator. I'll be bent if you can make a Dodge alternator work (Wouldn't have had to refab that alt bracket either).

Good to see you back at it Johnny!

I have no clue! This came off of a '96, so the truck doesn't have a computer, at least not one to control the motor.

I'll have to research this and see, but I know this alternator has been used for a couple of 4bt swaps before.

Thanks Wyo!

 

[StevoJonesFJ60]

Just make sure you get an alternator that is externally regulated and install a regulator. They should be that way, I know mine was.

There is a basic computer in the auto trucks and the voltage is regulated by means of it. It is a common thing that fails so most dodge guys end up running an external votage regulator found on the manual trucks.

 

[1974FJ]

Are you sure yuo can run the Dodge alternator? I was told by the guys at Dodge that it was controlled by the CPU and that it gave progressive amps according to what was turned on in the car. I was told I had to run a Chevy single wire alternator. I'll be bent if you can make a Dodge alternator work (Wouldn't have had to refab that alt bracket either).

Good to see you back at it Johnny!

I hear those alternators are tricky......
If you need any help with that let me know, I know a guy

ohyeah, that same guy has a dodge engine adapter/bellhousing/SBC Con-O/ 13" flywheel/ f250 master/slave for sale..........

 

[Tapage]

hey Johnny how are doing the contour fans .?

did you know .. ( can measure ) how much space you have in between fans and water pump ?

 

[GLTHFJ60]

I hear those alternators are tricky......
If you need any help with that let me know, I know a guy

ohyeah, that same guy has a dodge engine adapter/bellhousing/SBC Con-O/ 13" flywheel/ f250 master/slave for sale..........

Yeah, alternators are fun aren't they? Damn diodes, resistors and s***.

You officially selling the manual transmission stuff? Call me later today.

hey Johnny how are doing the contour fans .?

did you know .. ( can measure ) how much space you have in between fans and water pump ?

I'm loving the contour fans! I've yet to get all the way through a tank of fuel, but I feel like my highway power is better, which should mean that my mileage is better. I never notice them kicking on when the truck is on and they keep the motor nice and cool.

I'll try to get out later today and measure it up for you.

 

[lt1fire]

If you're going custom NV make sure you get the lower chevy 1st gear

 

[GLTHFJ60]

If you're going custom NV make sure you get the lower chevy 1st gear

Not possible unfortunately.

There were two major versions of the NV4500 for Chevy, the early and late. Early had a narrower front bolt pattern and the significantly lower first gear ratio. Soon after the release of that transmission, Dodge began producing their version of the NV4500, with a wider front bolt pattern, the 5.7:1 first gear ratio and the 5th gear nut problem ( due to the output shaft not being fully splined I believe ).

When Dodge came out with this version, Chevy modified their design to be closer to the Dodge unit so that each transmission cost for Chevy, from the common supplier New Venture, was less, since New Venture was making more of essentially the same transmission. This is where the 2nd revision of the Chevy NV4500 comes in.

Now, with this later version of the Chevy NV4500, the gear ratios were all the same as the Dodge unit, but without the 5th gear problem. Essentially the only place where the Chevy and Dodge transmissions differed were in the input shaft size and spline count, the output spline count and style of tail housing. Input and output shafts can be swapped between the later Chevy and all Dodge NV4500s.

For whatever reason, the Chevy NV4500 clutch and flywheel setup is extremely expensive, but the Chevy output spline count gives you tons more options for transfer cases and whatnot. Therefore, my custom NV will be a later style case, with the Dodge input shaft and the chevy output shaft, with chevy 4x4 tail housing.

Hope that clarifies the NV4500 tech a bit

 

[Wyoming]

Not possible unfortunately.

There were two major versions of the NV4500 for Chevy, the early and late. Early had a narrower front bolt pattern and the significantly lower first gear ratio. Soon after the release of that transmission, Dodge began producing their version of the NV4500, with a wider front bolt pattern, the 5.7:1 first gear ratio and the 5th gear nut problem ( due to the output shaft not being fully splined I believe ).

When Dodge came out with this version, Chevy modified their design to be closer to the Dodge unit so that each transmission cost for Chevy, from the common supplier New Venture, was less, since New Venture was making more of essentially the same transmission. This is where the 2nd revision of the Chevy NV4500 comes in.

Now, with this later version of the Chevy NV4500, the gear ratios were all the same as the Dodge unit, but without the 5th gear problem. Essentially the only place where the Chevy and Dodge transmissions differed were in the input shaft size and spline count, the output spline count and style of tail housing. Input and output shafts can be swapped between the later Chevy and all Dodge NV4500s.

For whatever reason, the Chevy NV4500 clutch and flywheel setup is extremely expensive, but the Chevy output spline count gives you tons more options for transfer cases and whatnot. Therefore, my custom NV will be a later style case, with the Dodge input shaft and the chevy output shaft, with chevy 4x4 tail housing.

Hope that clarifies the NV4500 tech a bit

Holy Hey-soos! We sure do build some stuff that will give the average mechanic a headache figuring out. I mean, what if we sold our vehicles to some guy with zero machanical inclination and it had an issue down the road and he took it to some garage. There would be a lot of head scratching.

 

[GLTHFJ60]

Holy Hey-soos! We sure do build some stuff that will give the average mechanic a headache figuring out. I mean, what if we sold our vehicles to some guy with zero machanical inclination and it had an issue down the road and he took it to some garage. There would be a lot of head scratching.

Hell yeah man! These are highly customized vehicles

Half the reason why I document everything through this thread is so I remember how I figured all of this stuff out!!

 

[1974FJ]

Hell yeah man! These are highly customized vehicles

Half the reason why I document everything through this thread is so I remember how I figured all of this stuff out!!

you got that right....
"Well, it's a '49, '50, '51, '52, '53, '54, '55, '56 '57, '58' 59' automobile"

 

[GLTHFJ60]

you got that right....
"Well, it's a '49, '50, '51, '52, '53, '54, '55, '56 '57, '58' 59' automobile"

So true. My default answer is "Title says it's an '87."

 

[GLTHFJ60]

Tech updates:

1. My DD Jetta blew a head gasket last week, which is getting repaired for me due to time constraints, but the $1500 bill is going to slow this build.

2. The 4bt head is done at the machine shop, but I need to find time to get my ass down there to pick it up.

3. Thanks to djinn and his Oddie buildup, I've purchased the throttle cable I will use. It will get here next week.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/LOK-TC-1000HT/

 

[1974FJ]

Tech updates:

3. Thanks to djinn and his Oddie buildup, I've purchased the throttle cable I will use. It will get here next week.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/LOK-TC-1000HT/

FYI, these are amazing. I plan to upgrade to this later. I think mine is moments away from breaking inside the sleeve. The autozone one im running is super cheap. I dont really trust it not leaving me stranded...

 

[GLTHFJ60]

That fricton-less cable does look sweet, but the one I got already has the ends I need to hook it up to my existing pedal and the VE throttle arm

 

[StevoJonesFJ60]

Well I just found the throttle linkage I am gonna run.
Thanks Johhny.