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AHC - Control tube No.5 Replacement. An idiots guide from this idiot.

This is my first post here. I have had LC200 for several years and do all of my own maintenance due to the fact that UK has very little support for the 200 series, and after the insane costs of dealer service it is a no brainer to do everything yourself. After all, this is a Toyota so easy to work on.

AHC dumped all the fluid somewhere on the road in deep dark Wiltshire on my way home with the kids. AHC error on the dash and everything got very bumpy. Quick troubleshoot at home it was clear that the hydraulic line from the pump to the control block had burst (No.5 tube) due to severe corrosion (car is 2014). This is a common issue as where the heat wrap is on the pipe, right at the end of it is where the corrosion is (heat wrap removed to show the difference)

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Ignore the break - this was me to aid in removal. More on this in point 5. Soak all the unions and bolts in WD40 and leave for an hour or so.

1. Pull fuse 18 in the engine bay fuse box. (50A). This will stop the pump starting.
2. Removed right rear wheel. You can see the No.5 tube union through the gap between the frame and the inner mud guard. There is NO EASY WAY to get to this union, but this is what I did. Using a 12mm ratchet spanner with a flexible neck, I removed the fixing bolt (took an hour). This allows you to lower the tube so you can get the next part done.
3. Using a crows foot and ratchet with an extension, undo the union (10mm). You may have to hold the removed pipe support with long nosed pliers whilst rotating the union. Mine was not so tight luckily.
4. Unclip the pipe from the two support along the axle and main body. No need to remove the supports but if you do a ratchet spanner is best for access (12mm).
5. Undo the hydraulic union on the left side of the underside. Cut the pipe about 150mm from the union and slide on a ratchet spanner (14mm) to disconnect the seized hydraulic union (19mm). Should have removed the rear silencer to make easier access. This union was hellish tight, and access tighter still. I removed the support bolt for the union to aid in refitting.
6. Remove the old tube.
7. WD40 the ends of the new tube as well as the ends of the two tubes you are connecting it to.
8. Slide in the new tube from left side to right side. It is a bit of a fiddle and you can bend it a little to aid in getting it through the myriad of hoses and pipes . Don't bend it too much as it will kink and then you are £140 out of pocket.
9. Connect the left side union first. In hind sight, I might of connected the right side first as it may have been easier to do point 11 but this was my choice based on ignorance. This was a real task as getting the tube and union aligned took a lot of time, and to get the union started took an hour of fiddling. Once it had bitten, an open ended 14mm and a lot of patience got it tight (very limited space with exhaust silencer in place). Bolt back up the support for the union. Do not clip in the pipe just yet.
10. This is by far the most difficult part. After lots of trials, I ended up bolting back up the union support on the left side. Then re-aligning the pipe from the pump to get the union aligned was extremely difficult through the 20mm gap! You can get your hand up in front of the frame (behind the longitudinal frame) and get your finger to spin the male union whilst your left hand is adjusting the alignment of the pipe. This took some time and trial and error, but eventually it bit. Once it was bitten I used the crows foot on an extension and once again used a lot of patience to get it fully home.
10. Clip the pipe into place in existing clamps.
11. Replace fuse (Ignition OFF).
12. Tank was empty so added 1L of fluid (£114 - 5L. Thank you Toyota!). Started car and cleared all errors several times (as pump was dry it took several attempts to get it primed as it was shut off with the error (no pump pressure). It will eventually run and start lifting the car. Get it to N height and off you go with the bleeding which has been covered elsewhere.

All in all, over 8 hours of fighting with seized unions and bracket supports, ALL of which are extremely hard to access. Good tools and patience needed with this repair.

I have made several repairs to the AHC over the years, most of it pretty straight forward. I have had faults on the accumulator as well as the damping globes, and the ride height sensors can be quite sensitive (cleaned two up to get them working again). You need techstream no question. However this repair was by far the hardest to perform even though it was a simple pipe replacement.

I hope this helps someone else who needs to do this.

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Good luck.
S
 
AHC - Control tube No.5 Replacement. An idiots guide from this idiot.

This is my first post here. I have had LC200 for several years and do all of my own maintenance due to the fact that UK has very little support for the 200 series, and after the insane costs of dealer service it is a no brainer to do everything yourself. After all, this is a Toyota so easy to work on.

AHC dumped all the fluid somewhere on the road in deep dark Wiltshire on my way home with the kids. AHC error on the dash and everything got very bumpy. Quick troubleshoot at home it was clear that the hydraulic line from the pump to the control block had burst (No.5 tube) due to severe corrosion (car is 2014). This is a common issue as where the heat wrap is on the pipe, right at the end of it is where the corrosion is (heat wrap removed to show the difference)

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Ignore the break - this was me to aid in removal. More on this in point 5. Soak all the unions and bolts in WD40 and leave for an hour or so.

1. Pull fuse 18 in the engine bay fuse box. (50A). This will stop the pump starting.
2. Removed right rear wheel. You can see the No.5 tube union through the gap between the frame and the inner mud guard. There is NO EASY WAY to get to this union, but this is what I did. Using a 12mm ratchet spanner with a flexible neck, I removed the fixing bolt (took an hour). This allows you to lower the tube so you can get the next part done.
3. Using a crows foot and ratchet with an extension, undo the union (10mm). You may have to hold the removed pipe support with long nosed pliers whilst rotating the union. Mine was not so tight luckily.
4. Unclip the pipe from the two support along the axle and main body. No need to remove the supports but if you do a ratchet spanner is best for access (12mm).
5. Undo the hydraulic union on the left side of the underside. Cut the pipe about 150mm from the union and slide on a ratchet spanner (14mm) to disconnect the seized hydraulic union (19mm). Should have removed the rear silencer to make easier access. This union was hellish tight, and access tighter still. I removed the support bolt for the union to aid in refitting.
6. Remove the old tube.
7. WD40 the ends of the new tube as well as the ends of the two tubes you are connecting it to.
8. Slide in the new tube from left side to right side. It is a bit of a fiddle and you can bend it a little to aid in getting it through the myriad of hoses and pipes . Don't bend it too much as it will kink and then you are £140 out of pocket.
9. Connect the left side union first. In hind sight, I might of connected the right side first as it may have been easier to do point 11 but this was my choice based on ignorance. This was a real task as getting the tube and union aligned took a lot of time, and to get the union started took an hour of fiddling. Once it had bitten, an open ended 14mm and a lot of patience got it tight (very limited space with exhaust silencer in place). Bolt back up the support for the union. Do not clip in the pipe just yet.
10. This is by far the most difficult part. After lots of trials, I ended up bolting back up the union support on the left side. Then re-aligning the pipe from the pump to get the union aligned was extremely difficult through the 20mm gap! You can get your hand up in front of the frame (behind the longitudinal frame) and get your finger to spin the male union whilst your left hand is adjusting the alignment of the pipe. This took some time and trial and error, but eventually it bit. Once it was bitten I used the crows foot on an extension and once again used a lot of patience to get it fully home.
10. Clip the pipe into place in existing clamps.
11. Replace fuse (Ignition OFF).
12. Tank was empty so added 1L of fluid (£114 - 5L. Thank you Toyota!). Started car and cleared all errors several times (as pump was dry it took several attempts to get it primed as it was shut off with the error (no pump pressure). It will eventually run and start lifting the car. Get it to N height and off you go with the bleeding which has been covered elsewhere.

All in all, over 8 hours of fighting with seized unions and bracket supports, ALL of which are extremely hard to access. Good tools and patience needed with this repair.

I have made several repairs to the AHC over the years, most of it pretty straight forward. I have had faults on the accumulator as well as the damping globes, and the ride height sensors can be quite sensitive (cleaned two up to get them working again). You need techstream no question. However this repair was by far the hardest to perform even though it was a simple pipe replacement.

I hope this helps someone else who needs to do this.

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Good luck.
S
How strong is the heat wrap? Do you think it can be removed with a razor blade from underneath the truck? How do you recommend accessing it? You think I can just feel around for it and pull it off with pliers?
 
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Thank you. That's very useful. I too had a similar issue one night with my 2014 model. It was fixed by the dealer under warranty so I was lucky this time. I too face the same issue with regular maintenance and am learning and doing my own maintenance. After this is repaired, I got the truck treated with Krown rust prevention and hoping there won't be any more corrosion-related issues and AHC leaks from these joints. 1 year after this was fixed, I changed the AHC fluid and did bleeding (manually without using techstream). Got 5Ltr AHC fluid for £89 from Roughtrax.
 
How strong is the heat wrap? Do you think it can be removed with a razor blade from underneath the truck? How do you recommend accessing it? You think I can just feel around for it and pull it off with pliers?
The heat wrap comes off quite easily if you can find the lip. Mine was wrapped twice around length ways. It came off very easily unwrapping it by hand. Pipe is pristine underneath it.

I would be careful cutting the wrap as if you damage the coating on the pipe it may be the start of future corrosion, but it could be cut with a razor blade easily.

Hope this helps
S
 
Thank you. That's very useful. I too had a similar issue one night with my 2014 model. It was fixed by the dealer under warranty so I was lucky this time. I too face the same issue with regular maintenance and am learning and doing my own maintenance. After this is repaired, I got the truck treated with Krown rust prevention and hoping there won't be any more corrosion-related issues and AHC leaks from these joints. 1 year after this was fixed, I changed the AHC fluid and did bleeding (manually without using techstream). Got 5Ltr AHC fluid for £89 from Roughtrax.
Thanks for the tip on where to purchase. Toyota prices are horrendous.

I find the maintenance quite easy on these. I have had 7 LC throughout my life (mostly 80 and 100, but this is my first 200), with the exception of access to some parts (bleed plugs etc), they are reasonable to work on. AHC is a work of art and you just cannot beat that D4-D V8.
 
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Does anyone know the height in neutral mode, from ground to fender on the front and rear wheels? On level ground that is? I’m trying to figure out if I’m sitting too high or have it correct. Thanks
 
Does anyone know the height in neutral mode, from ground to fender on the front and rear wheels? On level ground that is? I’m trying to figure out if I’m sitting too high or have it correct. Thanks

Here's measurements from wheel center to fender lip, which takes the tire size out of equation. F - 19", R - 20.75"

 
When my AHC failed, I had to drive home about 120 miles home on Highway/Motorway. Not sure of what would happen, I drove slowly at 45-50 mph (just smooth tarmac no bumps or potholes). Later to the garage around town traffic I drove at 10-20 mph max. Nothing else broke and I gained more confidence on the truck that it will get you home but I always wanted to know what if this happened in a deserted place.

What will happen if we have to drive with AHC failed and the car at its lowest setting? Will it bend any other components and will anything else break? and is there any speed that is safe to drive at this point?
 
When my AHC failed, I had to drive home about 120 miles home on Highway/Motorway. Not sure of what would happen, I drove slowly at 45-50 mph (just smooth tarmac no bumps or potholes). Later to the garage around town traffic I drove at 10-20 mph max. Nothing else broke and I gained more confidence on the truck that it will get you home but I always wanted to know what if this happened in a deserted place.

What will happen if we have to drive with AHC failed and the car at its lowest setting? Will it bend any other components and will anything else break? and is there any speed that is safe to drive at this point?
A member had some emissions codes on the rubicon that disabled ahc and he was stuck in low.
Had to be towed out, skid plates looked pretty well beat, but no suspension damage.
Carry a code read/reset tool!
 
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When my AHC failed, I had to drive home about 120 miles home on Highway/Motorway. Not sure of what would happen, I drove slowly at 45-50 mph (just smooth tarmac no bumps or potholes). Later to the garage around town traffic I drove at 10-20 mph max. Nothing else broke and I gained more confidence on the truck that it will get you home but I always wanted to know what if this happened in a deserted place.

What will happen if we have to drive with AHC failed and the car at its lowest setting? Will it bend any other components and will anything else break? and is there any speed that is safe to drive at this point?
I drove mine quite a bit after pump failed, or whatever. Definitely not good to hit bumps, not sure what components it may have buggered, but now with OME it is back on the road and all seems fine. AHC is gone.
 
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Where is everyone getting their AHC fluid? I have 2 liters of Toyota (PN 08886-81221) left over from my last service and need 3 more. The local Toyota dealer said Toyota is "no longer selling" AHC fluid and "it is no longer in the system." He recommended an aftermarket brand called Pentosin. I also found something called Ravenol, but I haven't found anyone in the US selling it.

I also found 2.5 liters (corrected) of Toyota fluid on Amazon for $78.
The local Lexus Stealer has liter jugs (08886-81221) in stock at $58 per liter.
 
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You are looking for the 2.5 liter metal cans now. If you have some plastic containers still, I would check them before I use them for “cloudy goo”. I wouldn’t buy plastic 1liter cans at this point.
 
You are looking for the 2.5 liter metal cans now. If you have some plastic containers still, I would check them before I use them for “cloudy goo”. I wouldn’t buy plastic 1liter cans at this point.
Oh shoot! You're right! 2.5l metal, not 5 liter. I'll edit my original post. Thanks
 

I ordered from 3 cans from mcgeorge Toyota and received it two days.

I wouldn’t risk using the one quart bottles. I have five bottles and will recycle it. The ahc pumps are expensive and no need to risk it.
So I guess I am missing something about the quart bottles? Are they known for going bad?
 
Yes, there was a bad lot of
So I guess I am missing something about the quart bottles? Are they known for going bad?
plastic quart bottles. Supposedly fixed by now, but it ruined a few ahc pumps and created some tough repairs for some members.
 
All in all, over 8 hours of fighting with seized unions and bracket supports, ALL of which are extremely hard to access. Good tools and patience needed with this repair.

I have made several repairs to the AHC over the years, most of it pretty straight forward. I have had faults on the accumulator as well as the damping globes, and the ride height sensors can be quite sensitive (cleaned two up to get them working again). You need techstream no question. However this repair was by far the hardest to perform even though it was a simple pipe replacement.

I hope this helps someone else who needs to do this.

Good luck.
S

I'm glad I'm not the only one who struggled mightily to replace these tubes! I ended up doing tubes 4,5, and 6. A couple tips I'd add for future reference:

To connect tube 5 to tube 4 (left side of the car), it helped to remove the rubber grommet/bushing from the new tube as it bumps against the mount and makes it more difficult to line it up straight and start threading them together. You can put the rubber piece back on once the tubes are joined.

Also regarding the union on the right hand side (tube 6 to tube 5), I ended up cutting the lines since was replacing all three, so I never separated that union. Regarding the fixing bolt I didn't have any luck going through the wheel well, I used a flex-head ratchet wrench and went in sort of from behind the fixing bolt through the hole on the frame mount. Once I figured that out it went reasonably smoothly. Kudos to you for getting that union separated, there is really not a lot of room to work!

Also when installing the new no. 5 tube, it helps to jack up the vehicle by the frame so that the axle droops and gives you a bit more room to work. I had the back end up on ramps, then jacked up the truck from the right side so that I still had room to work, but increased the distance between the axle and the body.
 
Adding my info as someone who just did the flush procedure. Followed the guide on page 8 from @radman that worked pretty well.

- 2008 LX570
- 166,000 miles
- TN vehicle it's whole life

Biggest surprise was finding my reservoir completely empty at the outset. Given the poor viewing of the high/low marks in the dark wheel well, initially I thought I just wasn't getting suction. After 45 mins of trying different tubes, I gave up and just started pumping the new fluid in, determined I would get all the old fluid out via bleeding.

Observations:

- Took 4.1L of old fluid out. Put 5L back in.
- First bleed was foamy and dark like stout beer. I assume this was because the reservoir was empty and air got into the lines, plus it is a 14-year old vehicle with no history of being done before.
- Have multiple shop rags on hand
- Ride is noticeably more confident when driving. Also less random "drops" after parking and turning vehicle off.

Tools:

- 5L AHC fluid (2 x 2.5L cans)
- 10mm socket
- 10mm ratcheting wrench w/ open end (to open bleeders)
- 12mm ratcheting wrench w/ open end (to remove bash guard over 5th accumulator)
- Pick or paint can opener tool (to remove the strainer)
- 3/8" OD vinyl tubing (for transferring fluid)
- 1/4" OD vinyl tubing (for bleeding)
- Transfer pump or 150-300ml syringe (To create suction for removing fluid & transferring new fluid in)
- New rubber bleeder valve caps

My process:

1. Park on level surface, drive up on 4 ramps (Harbor Freight)
2. Turn on LX570, put vehicle in LOW. Turn vehicle OFF.
3. Open rear cover in right rear wheel well w/ socket
4. Turn filler tube cap 90-degrees counterclockwise & remove strainer inside
5. Suction out old fluid. Put in container where you can measure total how much you've taken out.
6. Put new fluid in (Most put in 2.5L)
7. Turn on LX570, put vehicle in NORMAL. Allow to sit 60 seconds. Turn vehicle OFF.
8. Remove 3 12mm bolts holding 5th accumulator bash guard on.
9. Remove old rubber bleeder valve cap, attach 1/4" OD tubing & run to waste container. Open bleeder and allow to drain until flow stops. (Approximately .3L) Close bleeder valve.
10. Turn on LX570. Make sure in NORMAL. Allow to sit 60 seconds for pump to refill accumulator. Turn vehicle OFF.
11. FRONT LEFT - Remove old rubber bleeder valve cap, attach 1/4" OD tubing & run to waste container. Open bleeder and allow to drain until flow stops. (Approximately .3L) Close bleeder valve. (Mine came out foamy & dark brown like a stout beer.)
12. Turn on LX570. Allow to sit 60 seconds for pump to refill accumulator. Make sure in NORMAL. Turn vehicle OFF.
13. FRONT RIGHT- Remove old rubber bleeder valve cap, attach 1/4" OD tubing & run to waste container. Open bleeder and allow to drain until flow stops. (Approximately .3L) Close bleeder valve. (Mine came out foamy & dark brown like a stout beer.)
14. Turn on LX570. Allow to sit 60 seconds for pump to refill accumulator. Make sure in NORMAL. Turn vehicle OFF.
15. Refill approx 1L of new fluid in reservoir.
16. REAR LEFT - Remove old rubber bleeder valve cap, attach 1/4" OD tubing & run to waste container. Open bleeder and allow to drain until flow stops. (Approximately .3) Close bleeder valve. (Mine came out foamy & dark brown like a stout beer.)
17. Turn on LX570. Allow to sit 60 seconds for pump to refill accumulator. Make sure in NORMAL. Turn vehicle OFF.
18. REAR RIGHT - Remove old rubber bleeder valve cap, attach 1/4" OD tubing & run to waste container. Open bleeder and allow to drain until flow stops. (Approximately .3L) Close bleeder valve. (Mine came out foamy & dark brown like a stout beer.)
19. Turn on LX570. Allow to sit 60 seconds for pump to refill accumulator. Make sure in NORMAL. Turn vehicle OFF.
20. Refill approx 1L of new fluid in reservoir.
21. FRONT LEFT - Attach 1/4" OD tubing & run to waste container. Open bleeder and allow to drain until flow stops or runs PINK. (Approximately .3L) Close bleeder valve. Put on new rubber cap. (Second bleed had no foam)
22. Turn on LX570. Allow to sit 60 seconds for pump to refill accumulator. Make sure in NORMAL. Turn vehicle OFF.
23. FRONT RIGHT - Attach 1/4" OD tubing & run to waste container. Open bleeder and allow to drain until flow stops or runs PINK. (Approximately .3L) Close bleeder valve. Put on new rubber cap. (Second bleed had no foam)
24. Turn on LX570. Allow to sit 60 seconds for pump to refill accumulator. Make sure in NORMAL. Turn vehicle OFF.
25. Put remaining new fluid in reservoir
26. REAR LEFT - Attach 1/4" OD tubing & run to waste container. Open bleeder and allow to drain until flow stops or runs PINK. (Approximately .3L) Close bleeder valve. Put on new rubber cap. (Second bleed had no foam)
27. Turn on LX570. Allow to sit 60 seconds for pump to refill accumulator. Make sure in NORMAL. Turn vehicle OFF.
28. REAR RIGHT - Attach 1/4" OD tubing & run to waste container. Open bleeder and allow to drain until flow stops or runs PINK. (Approximately .3L) Close bleeder valve. Put on new rubber cap. (Second bleed had no foam)
29. Turn on LX570. Allow to sit 60 seconds for pump to refill accumulator. Make sure in NORMAL. Turn vehicle OFF.
30. Put bash guard back on 5th accumulator
31. Put strainer back in filler tube. Put filler tube cap back on. Put wheel well cover back on
32. Back off ramps. Test LO, NORMAL, HIGH.
 
I don't know if this is allowed. Worst case erase my post.

But if anyone is looking for a spare AHC pump and res assembly, I'm selling mine here in the suspension classifieds, not sure if there is a lot of traffic in that forum though :


I've also listed the pump on eBay (link in my sale post), there's no reserve and it's currently sitting at 500$ CAD (auction ends in less than a day). This is a real steal so if anyone's looking for a spare, here's a good chance to snag one.
 

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