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Awesome video, thanks for sharing.
I am curious as to who makes the rack on that 200!? And man do I love that single cab Nissan.
Here is the one I was looking for. Lc200 in detail.
I love how every forum has that one (or few) guy that just goes for it and doesn’t listen to the naysayers and builds a rad project. Cheers. Lol.
If you like portals, make sure you follow 74Weld on Instagram or other social media. They just posted a poll asking what size tires the Toyota crowd ultimately would like to run. Keep them hearing some interest from the LC crowd. Although, realistically, I bet if they made them, most would be shipped out to the Middle East. They aren’t cheap.
In the spirit of this thread, I think it would be more appropriate for him to build his own portals. Just remember to document the process!
I inquired with 74Weld about the cost of the portals and they said, "They will be 1:1 portals, no gear reduction, roughly $12K for the front fully billet set. The are working on Tacoma and 4Runner now, the Land Cruiser will come next.
Wonder if with the Russian ruble exchange you can get a better deal from werewolf
Just out of curiosity - any idea how much they will run for all for corners? At one point their set up for JK's, JL's, and JT's was ! $20K.
Also, any idea why they went from the 1.19:1 box for for Jeeps to a 1:1 setup? If memory serves from Pirate4x4 days they started out making these for either KoH and or some other crazy series back in the day so I get not going to a 2:1 ratio when your doing wide open runs in the desert. But one of the selling points, I thought, was reducing stress on your front and rear differential while either a) not having to regear or b) not having to go to as numerically high of a gear in your differentials.
Again, maybe I'm mixing them up with another company, or missing some detail, but the 'no gear reduction piece' just caught my attention as it is something new/different.
I think the pricing is closer to 24k now for their daily driveable Jeep setup. Which is an unbelievable price tag to me, but I still think it’s cool they even exist.
I have an idea why Quinn may have chose to do a 1:1 gearing - he recently posted a poll on Instagram asking what size tires the Toyota community ultimately would like to run. I don’t know for sure but I’m willing to bet it was smaller than he expected. I’ll guess 37’s were the common answer. Hopefully not just 35’s
Realistically, think about all the “overland” builds that are on 33-34’s. And to them 35’s are a stretch, and 37’s may be their dream. Then you combine that with the crawl boxes and doublers, etc. that have already been added to a lot of serious Toyota trail trucks and they may be fine with the size they’re already running and just looking for axle clearance if they can justify the price.Yes, it’s the same company that has been doing well with their portals on many Ultra4 cars, and plenty of publicity under the “bronco” builds.
Your selling points are accurate and I’m disappointed also. Not that I would justify the price but it’s fun to dream
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If I had to guess, the 1:1 is probably driven by integration simplification of wheel speed sensors that drive ABS, stability control, and all the other fancy electronic controls/offroad modes on modern cars. These systems don't take kindly to modifications and probably a potential source of frustration. Best mechanical and electrical integration, and reliability, is keeping them at the stock location and possibly with as much of the stock wires, tone ring, and interface hardware as possible. As a side benefit, it probably improves durability of gears without ratio multiplication using matched gear/teeth sizes.
From this other video which is not the 200-series, but likely shares common architecture with all the Werewolf portals, looks like the ABS pickups are at the top inputs of the portals both front and rear.
From this other video which is not the 200-series, but likely shares common architecture with all the Werewolf portals, looks like the ABS pickups are at the top inputs of the portals both front and rear.
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I went ahead and asked him why they chose 1:1…
“Yes. So you can have the option of just running a front. The other thing is the largest tire 90% of people will run is a 35 which is only 10% bigger than stock…Think of it as a 4wd spindle lift…Springs on the rear are easy…A 1:1 also makes it “cheaper”…I’m also doing a 1:1 for Raptor because raptor owners really only go from a 35-37”
I hadn’t thought of doing front only. Wouldn’t be my personal preference for how I use my vehicle but I could see it on Tacomas or Tundras running through the desert.
And I must say, to hear that the majority of Toyota owners responded with 35” as their ideal tire size is just sad
What size do you think I posted 
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I went ahead and asked him why they chose 1:1…
“Yes. So you can have the option of just running a front. The other thing is the largest tire 90% of people will run is a 35 which is only 10% bigger than stock…Think of it as a 4wd spindle lift…Springs on the rear are easy…A 1:1 also makes it “cheaper”…I’m also doing a 1:1 for Raptor because raptor owners really only go from a 35-37”
I hadn’t thought of doing front only. Wouldn’t be my personal preference for how I use my vehicle but I could see it on Tacomas or Tundras running through the desert.
And I must say, to hear that the majority of Toyota owners responded with 35” is their ideal tire size is just sad
That's disappointing! Need to think bigger!!
I'm curious why front only? IFS usually have more clearance at the front axle. It's the rear pumpkin that's the lowest point. If there were one end to do, I'd almost think it would be the rear because of that.
Then again, I'm liking the direction you went. Need bigger life goals
That's disappointing! Need to think bigger!!
I'm curious why front only? IFS usually have more clearance at the front axle. It's the rear pumpkin that's the lowest point. If there were one end to do, I'd almost think it would be the rear because of that.
Then again, I'm liking the direction you went. Need bigger life goals
He said they will be able to do 1.22 ratio as a custom option, just not production, so the best option to get me onto 44’s will exist
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I went ahead and asked him why they chose 1:1…
“Yes. So you can have the option of just running a front. The other thing is the largest tire 90% of people will run is a 35 which is only 10% bigger than stock…Think of it as a 4wd spindle lift…Springs on the rear are easy…A 1:1 also makes it “cheaper”…I’m also doing a 1:1 for Raptor because raptor owners really only go from a 35-37”
I hadn’t thought of doing front only. Wouldn’t be my personal preference for how I use my vehicle but I could see it on Tacomas or Tundras running through the desert.
And I must say, to hear that the majority of Toyota owners responded with 35” as their ideal tire size is just sad
He told me the same thing, I just forgot to relay that info, definitely not what I wanted to hear.
It’s early on. I can see the Tacoma crowd and possibly the Tundras using the front only option. It is simply easier to run a taller tire in the rear of most vehicles, these included. If the portal front boxes could be matched with a relatively inexpensive rear lift you could run a much taller tire for less money. Maybe not ideal for clearance under the rear diff, but a great stepping stone to big tires and you can add the rear portals at a later date
May I point you to a forum that may better match your goals?He said they will be able to do 1.22 ratio as a custom option, just not production, so the best option to get me onto 44’s will exist
https://www.benzworld.org/forums/unimog.39/
most of us appreciate portals for the clearance help they offer on solid axled trucks (think unimog) but there is also a significant benefit to running portals on independent long travel suspension vehicles. There are several unlimited class race cars at king of the hammers that are running independent Front suspension with portals while using a traditional solid axle in the rear without portals. Trophy trucks are now running independent front suspension while utilizing portals in the front only. AWD Trophy trucks that utilize this technology are now within 2 inches of the travel offered by non-driven ifs.
The benefit is realized because the driving shaft that goes from the differential to the input of the portal is about 4 inches higher than the centerline of the wheel. This allows for 2 benefits. 1st it allows for the lower a arm to be fabricated higher on the driven IFS wheel upright giving the lower A-arm more clearance from rocks. But more important from a racing standpoint, it allows for better optimized travel in the independent suspension because the universal joints dont waste their down travel on suspension that is already drooped out at ride height.
1:1 portals on the front of independent front off-road vehicles is the Ticket. You get to keep your stock suspension and you don’t need a lift. your front suspension remains more stout because you didn’t increase the angles on your universal joints and u didn’t increase the angles on your steering components. All you need to do is swap the portal in place of your current hub. Easy to do in your the driveway. Hardest part will be the ball joints. And the rear of a solid axle vehicle is a cheap endeavor. If you run a one to one portal in the front you don’t have to worry about re-gearing the rear.
$10,000 is a lot of money but how much money would you spend on proper ifs long travel front suspension That will net the gains of a front portal swap???
This is a great thread. I’m just trying to help you spend more money on an epic pioneering build
The benefit is realized because the driving shaft that goes from the differential to the input of the portal is about 4 inches higher than the centerline of the wheel. This allows for 2 benefits. 1st it allows for the lower a arm to be fabricated higher on the driven IFS wheel upright giving the lower A-arm more clearance from rocks. But more important from a racing standpoint, it allows for better optimized travel in the independent suspension because the universal joints dont waste their down travel on suspension that is already drooped out at ride height.
1:1 portals on the front of independent front off-road vehicles is the Ticket. You get to keep your stock suspension and you don’t need a lift. your front suspension remains more stout because you didn’t increase the angles on your universal joints and u didn’t increase the angles on your steering components. All you need to do is swap the portal in place of your current hub. Easy to do in your the driveway. Hardest part will be the ball joints. And the rear of a solid axle vehicle is a cheap endeavor. If you run a one to one portal in the front you don’t have to worry about re-gearing the rear.
$10,000 is a lot of money but how much money would you spend on proper ifs long travel front suspension That will net the gains of a front portal swap???
This is a great thread. I’m just trying to help you spend more money on an epic pioneering build
