I’ve got absolutely no use for a 7-seater. All the third row seats in my 200 do is add weight and take up cargo room. They are completely pointless.
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Thanks for putting another good used one on the market!
I can certainly afford a GX550 or LC250, I'm just to cheap to spend that much on a rig and would end up modding it anyway.
Sure, for you they are, not for me. Besides, for 57K+, no standard 3thrd row that can fold flat into the floor? Oh, cuz it's a hybrid and the battery is there...
Have you actually tried to sit in the 3rd row of a 200? They are completely useless for anyone other than a small child and even a small child won’t be comfortable for long because the seat cushion is on the floor.
Oh, God, please no. Have looked at the fold flat 3rd row in a GX460? They use up a ton of cargo room. The 5th Gen 4Runner and GX460 are built on a very similar frame and have very similar exterior dimensions. If you fold the 2nd row of a 5th Gen 4Runner you get 80 cu ft of cargo room. You know how much room you get in a GX460 with the 2nd and 3rd row folded? Only 60 cu ft. So not only do you have the added cost, weight, and complexity of a completely useless 3rd row, but you also lose 25% of the cargo area, you have a 4” higher lift over height, and you can’t even pull the damn things out. With a 200 at least you can pull the damn things out and only have a couple holes in the side panels. With fold flat 3rd rows you are completely screwed because the side panels don’t go all the way down to the metal floor.
These are body on frame trucks with relatively short wheelbases and a solid rear axle. They will never have a usable 3rd row. If you need a usable 3rd row, get a unibody vehicle with an independent rear suspension or a minivan or upsize to a Suburban.
Agree w/ @M1911 about the 3rd row. In my 470, I completely removed them, wrapped them in plastic and totally forgot about them in the storage closet (at least until it was time to sell the truck).
3rd row seats in these "mid-size" suvs w/ solid axles were added to keep up with the market trends.
3rd row seats in these "mid-size" suvs w/ solid axles were added to keep up with the market trends.
All third rows are that way, unless you by a Sub/Yukon XL. I've sat in pretty much every SUV that has a third row. I'm a big dude, and I do fit, not very pleasantly, but I do. Haha. Yes, children and small adults are who they're meant for.
I get it, folks rather have more cargo room than that 3thrd row. And I truly think the designers took that into consideration and due to this, made use of that space for the hybrid batteries. Toyota was listening to the overland crowd. If I was in the market, sure I would like to have that option, especially for the price. All the modern tech, I could do without. I'm reverting back to, sorta "old school". I just got rid of 3 modern vehicles. All have radar cruise, BSM, 8.5" + touchscreens w/Android Auto/Apple Carplay, yada yada yada. Still have a 2017 GS 350 with most of that stuff and don't care for adaptive cruise nor BSM. My goal is to get something I can pay cash for, has a solid reputation for reliability and will give me the least amount of relative maintenance down the road, even with 100k mi. on the ODO.
3thrd rows in the 470/Prado were there for a very long time. Early 90s. Our market is different than the markets they were originally intended for, which I think used them as they are versatile vehicles. We don't look at mid-size SUVs the same as the ROW.
I meant LKA. I actually like BSM
I know this..I was referring to the CONUS market on adding 3rd row seats. I remember a time when the only option you got from the car manufactures were the 2nd row split bench....man typing that made me feel old :-/
Sure, however, these are both box-like not very efficient vehicles at high price points. Is the extra cost of fuel really that big of a concern to buyers in this segment. I do get the range concern for overlanding. It's like the guys who own Wranglers and boast about saving 0.25 MPG. Even with expensive fuel, if someone own an off-roadie SUV, it ain't gonna save them money.
Haha. Yep!
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I’m watching early model (10-13) GX prices hit price ranges lower than clean gx470s. I got a really good deal on mine in ‘21, but it’s getting harder and harder to want to get out of my 460 for a new 250 as I keep building out my 460.
The 200 isn't as reliable as you probably think it is. If you want reliable, you probably want a 5th Gen 4Runner. The 1gr is more reliable than the 3UR. I know it won't be popular opinion on here, but I think the data would back me up. If 200k without ever turning a wrench was my goal - 1GR any day over 3UR.
Too soon to tell on the new LC and GX. I'm more concerned about the crank shaft bearing failure rate on the v35a and turbos than I am the hybrid system. Everything's a compromise.
Owning a high mileage 200, there's plenty of stuff to go wrong and it's all fricken expensive and complicated to fix. Don't get too rosey eyed about owning one for the "simplicity".
For what it's worth, a 2024 5th Gen 4Runner SR5 w/ 4x4 (no ATRAC without it) is $44,075 with the destination included. That's with zero options. Add $805 for 3rd row. And it's hard to find an SR5. The SR5 Premium seems to be their volume 4Runner, and the 4x4 version is $47,135. Again, that's no options. In my region (central TX), almost every 4Runner has a $3k+ blackout package plus additional options, pushing most SR5 Premium MSRPs into the $50k-$53k range. It is true that you can get many thousands of dollars off a 4Runner right now, but I'm just referring to the retail price.
Based on the price increase of the 2024 Tacoma, the potential for LC/4Runner crossover pricing seems inevitable - especially if you consider that the LC First Edition will be the first one they produce, and is described as a 'limited run'. Toyota will be exhausting their most expensive LC trim before the new 4Runner even arrives.
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That is my experience as well. Going from either 80 series to 100 series or the mid-cycle refresh of the 100 series from 2002 to 2003 are what really seem to have dialed up the complexity, at least electrically and with computers integration. Could maybe even argue 1999 to 2000 as well.
What are the main failure points? Just curious. I've found it interesting that the 100 series seems to have more issues than the 120 platform. The 150 seems dialed other than some trans issues probably caused by poor cooling and cam tower/valley plate leaks. Is the 200 also more issue-prone than the 150?
Overall I've rectified most of the issues with my 120 (cracked exhaust manifolds, cracked dash, poor trans cooling) as involved but not impossible DIYs, but haven't yet rectified the weak 8" rear end. The electrical system is complicated by highly reliable on a 120 and a 150.
If you can't tell I'm a big proponent of the aged-but-sorted 120 platform
.I bet more people use the 3rd row in LC200's and GX's than take them off road
I use mine in my GX460 all the time for kids or family for short trips. It works fine, I specifically won't be buying a LC250 because it doesn't have the 3rd row and that's a capability I use often.
Yes, a suburban or minivan has a better 3rd row. No, I don't want to drive either of those
I use mine in my GX460 all the time for kids or family for short trips. It works fine, I specifically won't be buying a LC250 because it doesn't have the 3rd row and that's a capability I use often.
Yes, a suburban or minivan has a better 3rd row. No, I don't want to drive either of those
The most common I see are the following issues:What are the main failure points? Just curious. I've found it interesting that the 100 series seems to have more issues than the 120 platform. The 150 seems dialed other than some trans issues probably caused by poor cooling and cam tower/valley plate leaks. Is the 200 also more issue-prone than the 150?
Overall I've rectified most of the issues with my 120 (cracked exhaust manifolds, cracked dash, poor trans cooling) as involved but not impossible DIYs, but haven't yet rectified the weak 8" rear end. The electrical system is complicated by highly reliable on a 120 and a 150.
If you can't tell I'm a big proponent of the aged-but-sorted 120 platform
Water pumps, timing belt tensioners, cam tower oil leaks, secondary air injection pump failures, radiator cracks, and coolant valley leaks.
The rest are mostly wear issues: suspension, bearings, etc. I think the LC200 except the engine is probably more reliable. Interior on the 200 wears out faster, but that's easy to assess and not really a reliability issue.
The 3UR is pretty good. But the 1GR is possibly Toyota's best ever gasoline engine. There are no known issues I'm aware of. It's just exceedingly rare to have anything go wrong.
4R did a fuel pump recall - but I haven't heard of any examples in the real world of a fuel pump issue actually happening in the field. The other common issues on the 5th gen 4R are the front diff needle bearing. Toyota replaced mine under warranty (with a 3" lift) at ~70k miles. I think that's it. There's nothing else I know of that is a common issue.
Edit: I should say that personally - I still probably opt for the 200 for the highway power of the v8. Especially if you're loading it up for offroad adventures. Not dogging it at all. Just sayin that it's got its own share of issues that Toyota had 15 years to fix and never did. The timing belt tensioner is the one that I think Toyota really dropped the ball on - it could have been re-designed anytime along the way to make it simpler and more reliable, and it's a cheap part that's super expensive to replace because of the amount of effort involved. It's a low failure rate, so I don't worry about it. Just a known issue that crops up. I drive a 5.7 Tundra, and it's a fine engine. I don't think much about it - which is kinda the point of being reliable. I just found my 1GRs to be a little better.
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