Land Cruiser Pricing Announced

[M1911]

What are the main failure points?

Water ingress from the sunroof which causes all sorts of electrical problems. Early radiators (before 2018) crack at a raised portion -- usually you have lots of notice and the new part has a different design. Engine air injection pump failure. Cam tower leak. Typical Toyota frame rust. Starter motor failure.

Edited to add: apparently my 2013 200 has typical Toyota frame rust and my independent mechanic is telling me to unload it sooner rather than later.

 

[M1911]

I bet more people use the 3rd row in LC200's and GX's than take them off road

I use mine in my GX460 all the time for kids or family for short trips.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand. How many people these days have more than 3 kids?

 

[Phillyd2]

I bet more people use the 3rd row in LC200's and GX's than take them off road

I use mine in my GX460 all the time for kids or family for short trips. It works fine, I specifically won't be buying a LC250 because it doesn't have the 3rd row and that's a capability I use often.

Yes, a suburban or minivan has a better 3rd row. No, I don't want to drive either of those

People also drive motorcycles in the rain but at least they don't blame the manufacturers for getting wet.

 

[TheLCProject]

But the 1GR is possibly Toyota's best ever gasoline engine. There are no known issues I'm aware of. It's just exceedingly rare to have anything go wrong.

Head gasket on some 03-05 4Runners? I recall that being a thing but not sure if it turned out to be significant in numbers.

 

[Rednexus]

I think most would agree the UZ is the best Yota gasoline engine ever . Not to diminish the 1GR, but it's also kind of a boring engine and does not sound nice, in addition to the HG failures. The UZ can make it to 1M miles and is a very smooth, pleasurable, and good-sounding engine as well. Plus 50+ ft/lbs over a 1GR.

 

[pawnthatdude]

The most common I see are the following issues:

Water pumps, timing belt tensioners, cam tower oil leaks, secondary air injection pump failures, radiator cracks, and coolant valley leaks.

The rest are mostly wear issues: suspension, bearings, etc. I think the LC200 except the engine is probably more reliable. Interior on the 200 wears out faster, but that's easy to assess and not really a reliability issue.

The 3UR is pretty good. But the 1GR is possibly Toyota's best ever gasoline engine. There are no known issues I'm aware of. It's just exceedingly rare to have anything go wrong.

4R did a fuel pump recall - but I haven't heard of any examples in the real world of a fuel pump issue actually happening in the field. The other common issues on the 5th gen 4R are the front diff needle bearing. Toyota replaced mine under warranty (with a 3" lift) at ~70k miles. I think that's it. There's nothing else I know of that is a common issue.

My most recent fun is the HVAC mode servo motor has failed, vent switching doesn't work on the drivers side now. Involves a total dash removal, A/C evacuation/recharge. 2 quotes for an indy shop to replace all the servo motors - $4500, dealer - $6500.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand. How many people these days have more than 3 kids?

I love the Land Cruiser third rows -- the threaded holes are great for mounting drawers!

 

[Rednexus]

My most recent fun is the HVAC mode servo motor has failed, vent switching doesn't work on the drivers side now. Involves a total dash removal, A/C evacuation/recharge. 2 quotes for an indy shop to replace all the servo motors - $4500, dealer - $6500.

I love the Land Cruiser third rows -- the threaded holes are great for mounting drawers!

Ouch....did that on my 470 too, but was totally DIYable and around $1200 in parts. Also my rig is 17 years old.

You guys are pulling the 200 down from such a high, vaulted status .

 

[rossagge]

The 200 isn't as reliable as you probably think it is. If you want reliable, you probably want a 5th Gen 4Runner. The 1gr is more reliable than the 3UR. I know it won't be popular opinion on here, but I think the data would back me up. If 200k without ever turning a wrench was my goal - 1GR any day over 3UR.

Too soon to tell on the new LC and GX. I'm more concerned about the crank shaft bearing failure rate on the v35a and turbos than I am the hybrid system. Everything's a compromise.

Had a 5th Gen 4Runner, but unfortunately it eventually didn't fit my needs and still doesn't. I'm trying to find the right vehicle for those needs. Need 7 pax seating, occasionally, and like the fact that the seats will always be there in a pinch. Don't need huge cargo space. Not "overlanding" it. Just occasional off-roading and camping. Need something that will keep HWY speeds without it feeling stressed out. The 5th Gen TR4 was not that. My 4th Gen with the 4.7L was a great vehicle for HWY. I feel the 200 will still be more reliable than the new 250.

 

[M1911]

Had a 5th Gen 4Runner, but unfortunately it eventually didn't fit my needs and still doesn't. I'm trying to find the right vehicle for those needs. Need 7 pax seating, occasionally, and like the fact that the seats will always be there in a pinch. Don't need huge cargo space. Not "overlanding" it. Just occasional off-roading and camping.

I don't "overland" (aka, car camping) either. But for a couple weeks each year we take a vacation at the coast in a rental home. So we fill up the back with coolers, luggage, fishing rods, beach chairs, etc. We need that cargo room. I've used roof boxes in the past and they are a pain in the neck -- I'm over 60 and don't relish the idea of lifting a roof box onto the roof of a tall SUV and then having to lift luggage and what not up there to fill it.

Need something that will keep HWY speeds without it feeling stressed out. The 5th Gen TR4 was not that. My 4th Gen with the 4.7L was a great vehicle for HWY. I feel the 200 will still be more reliable than the new 250.

I had a 4th Gen V8 4Runner. I really liked that vehicle. It was the right size and that V8 was a very pleasant motor. When it was time to replace it, I test drove a 5th Gen 3 times, but I just hated that drivetrain. The 5th gen was the right size for me, but I just couldn't get past the drivetrain.

 

[OGBeno]

I'm sorry, but I don't understand. How many people these days have more than 3 kids?

Have you been to Utah recently?

 

[Phillyd2]

Had a 5th Gen 4Runner, but unfortunately it eventually didn't fit my needs and still doesn't. I'm trying to find the right vehicle for those needs. Need 7 pax seating, occasionally, and like the fact that the seats will always be there in a pinch. Don't need huge cargo space. Not "overlanding" it. Just occasional off-roading and camping. Need something that will keep HWY speeds without it feeling stressed out. The 5th Gen TR4 was not that. My 4th Gen with the 4.7L was a great vehicle for HWY. I feel the 200 will still be more reliable than the new 250.

The Highlander and many other unibody SUVs sound like a much better option, but for the aspirational perceived cool factor.

 

[M1911]

Have you been to Utah recently?

No, I haven't. Out here in the Northeast, few couples have more than two kids. Which is why I don't understand why everyone needs an 8-passenger vehicle.

 

[Jetboy]

I'm sorry, but I don't understand. How many people these days have more than 3 kids?

The problem is that (hopefully) the kids have friends and/or grand parents.

For me - the biggest common use for a third row is visiting grand parents. When the grand parents visit we need 6 seats. We used to drive around in my old F250 because it had front and rear bench seats. Haha. But now I only have a Tundra and RX and no 3rd row vehicles so we end up driving 2 cars everywhere and sometimes that means renting a 3rd car. That's fine, but a third row would be pretty convenient to have the 8-10 times a year when we have more than 5 people to move around.

And also - yeah, more than 3 kids is $$$. Daycare for my kids is $1600/mo. each. For 3 days a week. It's insanity. I don't know how typical families afford it. 2 kids is $38k per year. Pre-tax that's like $60k in income needed just to break even on daycare. For the cost of just one year's daycare I could buy a nice late model use Sienna as a spare vehicle and rent it on Turo when we're not using it.

 

[Oakleyguy]

Anecdotal:

My 2014 LC200 has 100,000 miles with not a single issue. Interior looks the same as the day I bought it.

My personal opinion but it's also why I think 2014 and 2015 are the golden year options for the LC.

 

[M1911]

Anecdotal:

My 2014 LC200 has 100,000 miles with not a single issue. Interior looks the same as the day I bought it.

My personal opinion but it's also why I think 2014 and 2015 are the golden year options for the LC.

I really want a more modern infotainment system.

 

[rossagge]

The Highlander and many other unibody SUVs sound like a much better option, but for the aspirational perceived cool factor.

Thought about it, but can't do it. Still want/need that body on frame 4x4. Maybe I'll just buy an imported HiACE 4WD, if I don't go the body on frame route.

 

[TheLCProject]

I love the Land Cruiser third rows -- the threaded holes are great for mounting drawers!

Now you have a hybrid battery to mount your drawers to! Just drill, baby, drill!

 

[Knowbuddy]

Have you been to Utah recently?

we get bored… what can we say?

 

[MotoDave]

I'm sorry, but I don't understand. How many people these days have more than 3 kids?

The GX is too narrow to fit 3 across if car seats are involved, so a couple of times a week when we give on if my son's friends a ride home from school someone sits in the 3rd row in a booster seat. Even my Tundra was really tight in the 2nd row, so the 3rd person had to sit in the middle between 2 car seats.

We also often have my father in law come along on road trips, so 3 adults + 2 kids, again means my son sits in the 3rd row.

I'm glad the GX will have the option to get it with or without the 3rd row, it gives everyone choice for how they will use the car. I just think those that spout nonsense like "The 3rd row in a 200 series is an absolutely unusable waste of space" are pretty misguided about who Toyota designs cars for.

 

[Phillyd2]

Thought about it, but can't do it. Still want/need that body on frame 4x4. Maybe I'll just buy an imported HiACE 4WD, if I don't go the body on frame route.

Of course you can and it would serve you well on the occasional dirt road to camp and would be much better on pavement the other 99% of the time.

That you don't want to is a completely different issue.