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I have not looked real real close at every post in this thread. But...
How exactly is it running poorly? From what I did see here, currently it idles okay, and at light throttle/low speed it is okay? At heavy throttle/high speed it lacks power, stumbles/bogs?

The "brain" (if we are to glorify it that much) knows very little about anything but the electronic/ignition side of things. In other words, it knows very little about the fuel. Zero really, unless things are so lean/rich as to show up in the O2 sensors. There is no fuel pressure sensor or any way for the ecu to know what the fuel flow is. It can only detect a bad injector if it is so bad that the O2 sensor sees the result. and the O2 sensor is looking at the totality of the exhaust, not any single cylinder.

There is not a "cold start" injector to richen the overall mixture up like there was in the 3FE. The ecu simply richens via the normal fuel control process (injector opening duration and fuel pressure). Once the engine is warm, it settles into the normal air fuel ratio targets.

One possibility... *IF* you have a bad injector, the richer mixture when cold can mask this. Once normal operating temps/settings are reached, this bad injector may be leaving a cylinder too lean, resulting in a dead miss on that cylinder, or a cylinder that sorta kinda pulls it weight at lower speed and lighter load, but just can't get the fuel it need to participate in the fun and games when things speed up.

Just a possibility to keep in mind.


Mark...
 
I have not looked real real close at every post in this thread. But...
How exactly is it running poorly? From what I did see here, currently it idles okay, and at light throttle/low speed it is okay? At heavy throttle/high speed it lacks power, stumbles/bogs?

The "brain" (if we are to glorify it that much) knows very little about anything but the electronic/ignition side of things. In other words, it knows very little about the fuel. Zero really, unless things are so lean/rich as to show up in the O2 sensors. There is no fuel pressure sensor or any way for the ecu to know what the fuel flow is. It can only detect a bad injector if it is so bad that the O2 sensor sees the result. and the O2 sensor is looking at the totality of the exhaust, not any single cylinder.

There is not a "cold start" injector to richen the overall mixture up like there was in the 3FE. The ecu simply richens via the normal fuel control process (injector opening duration and fuel pressure). Once the engine is warm, it settles into the normal air fuel ratio targets.

One possibility... *IF* you have a bad injector, the richer mixture when cold can mask this. Once normal operating temps/settings are reached, this bad injector may be leaving a cylinder too lean, resulting in a dead miss on that cylinder, or a cylinder that sorta kinda pulls it weight at lower speed and lighter load, but just can't get the fuel it need to participate in the fun and games when things speed up.

Just a possibility to keep in mind.


Mark...
Thanks Mark. During a cold start it idles fine but if I try to drive it it runs like dog s***. especially between 1800 and 2800 Rpms. when it is fully warm it runs fine
 
Hi thank you for your assistance. Yes. The fuel filter under the intake, fuel pressure Regulator, fuel pump, resistor and relay have been changed with no luck. I also changed the coil and Most if not all vacuum lines have been replaced. I need to double check the ones under the intake. All parts are Toyota eom. I do have an AC Delco throttle position sensor that I am double checking. I have been going through all the information that is posted above.
Again, the engine runs well at normal operating temperature. I suspect the ecu is getting false information when cold causing a faulty A/F ratio.
As previously mentioned, did you check fuel pressure according to the FSM?
I would be looking at temperature sensors that feed the ECU. If it's saying it's hot with a cold engine, the ECU will adjust fuel accordingly.
I doubt this is being caused by the AFM, but there are tests in the FSM.
The FSM should be at the top of your list.
 
Again, the engine runs well at normal operating temperature. I suspect the ecu is getting false information when cold causing a faulty A/F ratio.
As previously mentioned, did you check fuel pressure according to the FSM?
I would be looking at temperature sensors that feed the ECU. If it's saying it's hot with a cold engine, the ECU will adjust fuel accordingly.
I doubt this is being caused by the AFM, but there are tests in the FSM.
The FSM should be at the top of your list.
I did change the temperature sensor on the block (near fuel filter) . I will also check fuel pressure. Thank you
 
I would guess the ECT sensor is crapped out. The ECM could be fueling the cold engine like it’s warm. I had the same problem, but opposite years ago. Engine tan good when cold, too rich when warmed up. Truck would stall and sometimes not start when warm.
 
I would guess the ECT sensor is crapped out. The ECM could be fueling the cold engine like it’s warm. I had the same problem, but opposite years ago. Engine tan good when cold, too rich when warmed up. Truck would stall and sometimes not start when warm.
I will double check this too. It is only 1 year old. And I had these same problems before.
 
I will double check this too. It is only 1 year old. And I had these same problems before.
Make sure you check/replace the sensor for the ECM, not the dash gauge.
 
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Can you please post who rebuilds 93-94 VAFs on Mud? I remember someone mentioned there’s an eBay seller that does it a while back.
Below is a link to an outfit that rebuilds Toyota VAF meters,
 

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