45 minutes if he doesn't use his toes!
Help needed before PPR!!!! My 2f is sick!!!!
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45 minutes if he doesn't use his toes!
everybody helping may already know this or it may not apply, but on hondas anyway valve adjustment must be done with a cold engine. with the expediency with which it sounds like you need this done, just didn't want that to get overlooked. good luck!
Don't let JP help, he will put your valve cover on backwards 
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Thanks guys - I might take someone up on some help on Sunday.
I've read up on valve adjustment and I'm pretty sure I could do it but would like some oversight the first time. Valve tolerance is .008 and .014 (forget for a sec which is which) but I already have the feeler gauges. Engine has to be at operating temp (180 deg).
Got home late last night so I didn't get to pull the valve cover to listen. Will I need a new valve cover gasket???
I've read up on valve adjustment and I'm pretty sure I could do it but would like some oversight the first time. Valve tolerance is .008 and .014 (forget for a sec which is which) but I already have the feeler gauges. Engine has to be at operating temp (180 deg).
Got home late last night so I didn't get to pull the valve cover to listen. Will I need a new valve cover gasket???
no
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can't you feel the love, man? (still though . . . . Run, Steve, Run!)
Don't let JP help, he will put your valve cover on backwards
no
Hmmmm...having second thoughts...
Sounds like your ready, FYI the bent feeler gauges make it much easier IMHO. JP knows his stuff so you should be in good shape for PPR.
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I'm so torn!!!!! 
My concern is driving my Piggie like it is to PPR before any work is done or even to Clemson for work. My 2f still runs strong but I don't like this new noise...call me paranoid but I would cry if I screwed something up and couldn't make PPR.
ETA: Start the bidding - steaks and high-grav beer Sunday for anyone who wants to come wrench.
My concern is driving my Piggie like it is to PPR before any work is done or even to Clemson for work. My 2f still runs strong but I don't like this new noise...call me paranoid but I would cry if I screwed something up and couldn't make PPR.
ETA: Start the bidding - steaks and high-grav beer Sunday for anyone who wants to come wrench.
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according to the factory manual you are supposed to do the vavle adjusting with the engine running, but I don't know anybody that does it that way...... might lose a finger
you are supposed to change the gasket but if you aren't a perfectionist a little red gasket sealer will work just fine.
If you still need help come this Sunday I will see if I can't make it up that way
you are supposed to change the gasket but if you aren't a perfectionist a little red gasket sealer will work just fine.
If you still need help come this Sunday I will see if I can't make it up that way
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according to the factory manual you are supposed to do the vavle adjusting with the engine running, but I don't know anybody that does it that way...... might lose a finger
you are supposed to change the gasket but if you aren't a perfectionist a little red gasket sealer will work just fine.
If you still need help come this Sunday I will see if I can't make it up that way
I need lots of help - I thought you knew that!
I just ordered a valve cover gasket - Rick said it will be here by Sunday. Let me know if you can make it up - I'll cook up some mean food!
Some more tips from a one time valve adjuster . . .
While Marshall says "no" on a new valve cover gasket, I would, respectfully, dissent and have one on hand just in case the other one falls apart when you crack the cover open . . . its cheap! (Remember to clean the cover thoroughly, and I used some redish orange gasket adhesive to keep the sucker in place). Look through that packet I sent you on the 62, I believe I included the AllData valve adjustment for the 3FE, which was VERY helpful. you'll see how I numbered the valves.
In addition to the feelers, there is a tool that is a screwdriver/wrench combo. Really helps once you've properly set the adjustment to tighten the sucker back down without losing the proper adjustment. Again, cheap insurance. The tool should be available at NAPA.
I don't think the 30 minute to 45 minute estimate is realistic. (Especially when you consider the source, who I don't think owns a watch) It took me about three hours, but I had to take alot of junk off the 3F to just get to the valve cover.
Finally, a warm engine makes for happy valves! Chant the following: "Too loose, Too Tight, AHH just right!"
While Marshall says "no" on a new valve cover gasket, I would, respectfully, dissent
and have one on hand just in case the other one falls apart when you crack the cover open . . . its cheap! (Remember to clean the cover thoroughly, and I used some redish orange gasket adhesive to keep the sucker in place). Look through that packet I sent you on the 62, I believe I included the AllData valve adjustment for the 3FE, which was VERY helpful. you'll see how I numbered the valves.In addition to the feelers, there is a tool that is a screwdriver/wrench combo. Really helps once you've properly set the adjustment to tighten the sucker back down without losing the proper adjustment. Again, cheap insurance. The tool should be available at NAPA.
I don't think the 30 minute to 45 minute estimate is realistic. (Especially when you consider the source, who I don't think owns a watch) It took me about three hours, but I had to take alot of junk off the 3F to just get to the valve cover.
Finally, a warm engine makes for happy valves! Chant the following: "Too loose, Too Tight, AHH just right!"
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Just received a call from our sponsor Rick Arflin @ Ralph Hayes Toyota. My parts are on the way. I have a new valve cover gasket coming along with some other goodies for after PPR (rear main, oil pan gasket, etc). I'm going to do the oil pan gasket but have someone do the rear main. That should about seal up all my leaks. My front pinion seal replacement <<<clears throat>>> is holdling up well so far.
David - I did read through the info you sent on valve adjustment. It should be pretty easy to get into my valves - not much in the way on a desmogged 2F. Re: the screwdriver/wrench combo - I should just look for a 14mm wrench w/ a flat head on the opposite end @ NAPA?
And JP does have a watch - he just wears it on his ankle.
David - I did read through the info you sent on valve adjustment. It should be pretty easy to get into my valves - not much in the way on a desmogged 2F. Re: the screwdriver/wrench combo - I should just look for a 14mm wrench w/ a flat head on the opposite end @ NAPA?
And JP does have a watch - he just wears it on his ankle.
Nope, the valve adjustment tool is . . .
a screwdriver mounted to a wrench. Allows you to hold the screw in place while retightening the valve bolt. Looks like this:
a screwdriver mounted to a wrench. Allows you to hold the screw in place while retightening the valve bolt. Looks like this:
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Valve adjustment on a warm engine is news to me. These darn Japs are so innovative. I guess when they did their designs they couldn't afford to leave a vehicle off-line overnight.
But I think this still applies. Listen carefully: Righty tighty . . . . . . . Lefty loosy.
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But I think this still applies. Listen carefully: Righty tighty . . . . . . . Lefty loosy.
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Hey Bill . . . .
The best thread on the subject is found here:
https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=143120&highlight=valve+warm+engine+adjust
See Post 2. it even has a diagram and step by step instructions, and it calls for a warm engine. Ah, warm engines . . . .
I learned this the easy way - - a 30 year Toyota mechanic who owns his own shop, and loaned it to me one Saturday, showed me how to adjust valves.
While I'm not on the inside of toyota, I think the valves are adjusted before the engines reach the assembly line, so the line does not slow (actually, i don't think valves are "adjusted" at the plant, they are set to a manufacturers' average, just like alignment).
You know what they say, "Good judgment comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgment." This is how I learn . . . .
The best thread on the subject is found here:
https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=143120&highlight=valve+warm+engine+adjust
See Post 2. it even has a diagram and step by step instructions, and it calls for a warm engine. Ah, warm engines . . . .
I learned this the easy way - - a 30 year Toyota mechanic who owns his own shop, and loaned it to me one Saturday, showed me how to adjust valves.
While I'm not on the inside of toyota, I think the valves are adjusted before the engines reach the assembly line, so the line does not slow (actually, i don't think valves are "adjusted" at the plant, they are set to a manufacturers' average, just like alignment).
You know what they say, "Good judgment comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgment." This is how I learn . . . .
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well I got permission to come up on Sunday if you haven't remedy the problem by then.......... say like around 10 am would that work for you???
I think the warm condition is so the metal will be in the condition it is used in, as far as expansion.
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That works for me Sir. Lunch of ribeyes sound good?
I'll pick up that wrench/screwdriver contraption before then.
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no need to fix anything for me man......... its all about good cruiser karma
also there is there no need to pick up that special tool unless you specifically want it nifty as it is it is not neccessary; I have done this 5-6 times with just a flat head and my ratcheting box wrench no problem.......
also there is there no need to pick up that special tool unless you specifically want it nifty as it is it is not neccessary; I have done this 5-6 times with just a flat head and my ratcheting box wrench no problem.......
That works for me Sir. Lunch of ribeyes sound good?
I'll pick up that wrench/screwdriver contraption before then.
